Prospect Info: Round 2, Pick 51: Jack Berglund, C, Farjestad (SHL)

[GKJ]

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[Garl]

124 days older.

He is 05. He also is a very offensive offensive defenseman, who is not very good defensively. MA Bergeron type.

 

[Garl]

I’m sure that 1/3 of a year is all the difference.

Yes, late birth players are never directly compared to the younger year players statswise. If they were, then MBN should have been a TOP 5 pick and Simon Zether should have went in the TOP 15 at least. 2.0 PPG in J20 and 6'3, was he a 06 player, he would go in TOP 15.

 

[FLYguy3911]

He is 05. He also is a very offensive offensive defenseman, who is not very good defensively. MA Bergeron type.

Your '05 argument might have some merit if he already ran through the J20 circuit for multiple seasons but this was his first full season in the league and he was the leading scorer on his own team by 10 points.

The track record of defensemen who lead their team in scoring as first time draft eligibles is a pretty good bucket to draft from no matter your flimsy comparisons.

 

[BigToe]

He is 05. He also is a very offensive offensive defenseman, who is not very good defensively. MA Bergeron type.

Just because a guy puts up points doesn’t mean he’s bad defensively.

 

[Garl]

Just because a guy puts up points doesn’t mean he’s bad defensively.

Who? Fransen? He is. Maybe he will correct that, but so far in both SHL and with National Team he was not good defensively. Otherwise, he would have went way higher, I mean, offensively he is very very good.

Your '05 argument might have some merit if he already ran through the J20 circuit for multiple seasons but this was his first full season in the league and he was the leading scorer on his own team by 10 points.

The track record of defensemen who lead their team in scoring as first time draft eligibles is a pretty good bucket to draft from not matter your flimsy comparisons.

Any idea why it was his first season in J20?))

 

[BigToe]

Who? Fransen? He is. Maybe he will correct that, but so far in both SHL and with National Team he was not good defensively. Otherwise, he would have went way higher, I mean, offensively he is very very good.

I’ve seen a ton of him this year. Disagree .

 

[FLYguy3911]

Any idea why it was his first season in J20?))

Possibly because that's where most of his peers play when they are his age? Late bloomer?

You are really hung up on four weeks. It's a ridiculous argument.

 

[Garl]

Possibly because that's where most of his peers play when they are his age? Late bloomer?

You are really hung up on four weeks. It's a ridiculous argument.

Most peers who will never get drafted.

He is not good in his own end. Thats main reason.

However, was Fransen a 06 playet, he would have went way higher. It is how it works. He is a 05 so he is compared to 05 players. To ASP to Lindstein. And he is way behind. Compared to Freij and Wallenius he is at the same level at least, if not better overall. But they went higher. Why? They are 06. It is how it works

In hockey Fransen is considered to be a year older. He most likely always played with older players, had this extra year of development.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Most peers who will never get drafted.

He is not good in his own end. Thats main reason.

However, was Fransen a 06 playet, he would have went way higher. It is how it works. He is a 05 so he is compared to 05 players. To ASP to Lindstein. And he is way behind. Compared to Freij and Wallenius he is at the same level at least, if not better overall. But they went higher. Why? They are 06. It is how it works

In hockey Fransen is considered to be a year older. He most likely always played with older players, had this extra year of development.

Thanks man. You should be working in the league with these insights. Your talent is wasted here.

 

[Garl]

Thanks man. You should be working in the league with these insights. Your talent is wasted here.

It is not that Fransen is a bad pick. It is that Berglund is a good pick. As I have said, he was not a draft material last year, this year he was a riser, developed very well, was also really good for National Team.

 

[Beef Invictus]

@Beef Invictus Alternating Theory is 2/2 this year.

Not sure we can call it a theory at this point

 

[Flyer lurker]

So if he works hard and mucks in the corner maybe just maybe he will grow up to be Nate Thompson part 2.

 

[Magua]

This team has drafted maybe 1-2 centers (arguably 0?) since 2018. So weird it’s centerpalooza this draft, right?!

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

This team has drafted maybe 1-2 centers (arguably 0?) since 2018. So weird it’s centerpalooza this draft, right?!

And could have chosen much better centers at each chance.

 

[GKJ]

 

[FLYguy3911]

The challenge of scouts and executives not to mention size when describing players in the first sentence.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Suspect skating you say?

With the Flyers? No way

 

[mr figgles]

I just love how his skillset comes as an afterthought to size and character in that quote

 

[Lindberg]

Well you can't teach size. Always interesting to see how clubs think they can just improve someone's skating ability. Skating... the first thing someone has to learn with hockey and as the ole saying goes... old habits die hard.

 

[Boocowski]

This is hilarious. People hating on getting a big hard working power forward. lol, only in Philly.

 

[LegionOfGloom]

This is hilarious. People hating on getting a big hard working power forward. lol, only in Philly.

Or, people do not agree with using a second round pick on a guy where if everything comes together might be a bottom 6 player. It's not that difficult if you actually use your head and read what others are saying.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

This is hilarious. People hating on getting a big hard working power forward. lol, only in Philly.

If the best a player can be is 3C or 4C in the NHL and has a higher chance of never getting to the NHL as a 2nd round draft pick, then you really f***ed up.

To say it's because we're hating on "big hard working power forward" is bullshit, especially when he probably won't even be an NHLer. If he can't score and if he can't skate, he won't be in the NHL.

 

[Eye of Ra]

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His dad was a decent player, kid sure has the bloodlines

 

[Boocowski]

Or, people do not agree with using a second round pick on a guy where if everything comes together might be a bottom 6 player. It's not that difficult if you actually use your head and read what others are saying.

Not a lot of 2nd round picks become top line players. That's not a reality. It happens, but it's not common.
You'll like this guy in time. Wait and see.

 

[Boocowski]

If the best a player can be is 3C or 4C in the NHL and has a higher chance of never getting to the NHL as a 2nd round draft pick, then you really f***ed up.

To say it's because we're hating on "big hard working power forward" is bullshit, especially when he probably won't even be an NHLer. If he can't score and if he can't skate, he won't be in the NHL.

Less than 1/4 of all second round picks ever make it to the NHL so drafting a guy who has definite 3rd line potential does not seem unreasonable to me.
I generally prefer D men in the second round because a lot of them take longer to develop so you can get a gem there in time but size is the next criteria for me. Maybe you prefer gambling on the speedy undersized Euro forward idk, it's a differing idea, but nothing in the second round is a sure thing.
People get crazy on draft day. They even argue over 7th rounders and almost none of those guys ever make it. It's insane.