Weltschmerz
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Our PP is one of the best, why change it and risk that to increase his value?
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There's no way that adding a better weapon on the PP reduces it's effectiveness in the long term.
If anything it helps to sustain it's effectiveness in the long term.
Doesn't even need to be PP1. And doesn't necessarily mean replacing Quinn.
Put Quinn on offside on PP2 with VO in his normal offside spot, and figure out how to make it work.
Put Quinn on offside on PP2 with VO in his normal offside spot, and figure out how to make it work.
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I agree that VO should be on the PP. Ive been saying PP1 in Cozens' spot. Love Cozens, but he's not nearly as dangerous in that spot as Vic.
And Quinn? Yes, long term I'd rather have him than VO for his overall game, but his shot is not in the same category as VO's.
If they're going to trade VO, fine. Going to have to get rid of a bunch of these guys to make room for young guys. But I think what VO brings to the team is being both underused and undervalued currently.
And Quinn? Yes, long term I'd rather have him than VO for his overall game, but his shot is not in the same category as VO's.
If they're going to trade VO, fine. Going to have to get rid of a bunch of these guys to make room for young guys. But I think what VO brings to the team is being both underused and undervalued currently.
Old Navy Goat
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Do you even watch the games, Quinn is generally rotating between the bumper and net front. Peterka is on the left wall. Most of the puck work and movement comes from those guys. Olofsson is generally in a static position and unless Dahlin is out there he's not their primary option
Aladyyn
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Has everyone already forgotten how static and predictable our PP1 looked before Cozens?
Djp
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Risto is RD. Those are worth more than equivalent LD
him getting a 1st+ wasn’t a stretch. This board has significant biases on player values.
atvthe time of the deal he had a full year left and thry likeky had talks on resigning which us part of the reason it was 1+2. St that time of year you have to watch contract counts. In many deals 50 man contracts are equal because of this.
for a vet bottom D, being under $2M is not a problem in the cap world. Min contract is ehst…$800K now? So under $1M above that is not a big deal. If he was $4M per thrn your argument would mean something.
I agree with you.
on here people love/ hate players snd want to give them away. Quinn and Peterka are rookies snd people forget that.
As s PP olofsdon has significant value. In playoffs therr is a very high correlation with PP/ PK success and advancement. A team acquiring him can mean winning vs losing a series. At the deadline he’d be acquired for 2 Playoffs. Sure in a trade buffalo might need to take a contract back in a deal ehich coukd hurt pick/ prospect compensation for comparison purposes.
I don’t see them trading him unless they get a really good offer. It’s more likely in the off-season because Adams probably doesn’t want the UFA distraction in the locker room.
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VO might have a more dangerous shot, but Cozens does a bunch of other things that VO doesn't, the biggest impact he brings is movement. He's constantly attacking the net from the side wall which puts defenders in conflict. VO is stationary and extremely predictable.
From a pure numbers perspective, the top PP unit has been better in both chance generation and results than with VO:
| Player 1 | Player 2 | Player 3 | Player 4 | TOI | CF/60 | SF/60 | GF/60 | xGF/60 |
| Dylan Cozens | Rasmus Dahlin | Tage Thompson | w/o Victor Olofsson | 59:28 | 121.08 | 71.64 | 17.15 | 8.67 |
| w/o Dylan Cozens | Rasmus Dahlin | Tage Thompson | Victor Olofsson | 18:47 | 92.64 | 70.28 | 15.97 | 8.13 |
It would be interesting to see some numbers on PP zone entries, I would assume that Cozens brings more to the table there as well.
Besides, he should have no trouble producing on a unit with Power, Quinn, Peterka, and Mitts, even if it's limited minutes.
Doug Prishpreed
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They playoffs are within reach -- you really want to put that at risk just to increase one player's value from a 3rd to a 2nd round pick? I don;t get it.
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ValJamesDuex
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Vrana claim anyone ? 5.25M per way too rich for KA/TG ? Player issues concern ? Will this be a league wide no touch gentlemen's agreement to not claim ?
Personally would love to see Skinner moved away from PP1 and have Cozens in the bumper spot. I think Dylan could help there and could allow Victor to play on his side. Our PP has been good, but it could be even better. They could then feature Quinn/Peterka/Power on PP2.
This is such a good point. PP1 came alive with Cozens added to it. Skinner is still a bit of an issue there as I stated above, but Cozens is a catalyst and is showing some good passing skills.
Easy for me to say yes, as it's not my money. He's a huge improvement over Olofsson at ES, and would give that third line some punch. I'd think they'd have to find a trade for Olofsson before even considering it.
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This year, sure. I'd argue that a larger sample size would have seen the PP numbers with Oloffson improve closer to previous years. Can you pull the numbers for last year w VO on the PP?
I wouldn't argue against Cozens bringing other value over VO, but I would argue with VO not attacking from the wall. He was a constant threat there to the point that other teams were keying on HIM before Tage became what he is. If VO had the opportunity to walk in and shoot the way Cozens has many times over the last stretch, my hunch is that we would have scored several more times than we did.
Jim Bob
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I think VO's change in PP impact has to do with Eichel being a much better passer than Thompson.
Eichel was able to thread passes across the slotline to VO and Thompson tends to take the simpler play back to Dahlin or down low to Tuch or Skinner.
And VO tends to not be as good at the one timer coming off a pass from the point like Thompson is.
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Could be, but Cozens has gotten lots of scoring chances because teams are shifting to try to take Tages one timer away, which they weren't doing before. They were doing that to VO's side before.
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I don't mind Cozens there as long as he doesn't try the behind the back of the boards back pass which I haven't seen for a few games.
He needs to work on that one.
Movement, passing, zone entries... Cozens brings those things and Vic does not.
Matt Ress
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Watched a Dahlin YouTube video from this season and made me realize that he's still very effective but he's not doing the things he did at the beginning of the season. Dude is exhausted. I think Donny adds but it will be a smart add whatever that means.
There's no doubt fatigue is setting in and it's only going to get worse
ValJamesDuex
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26 and 23 look noticeably worn the last few games
ValJamesDuex
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If he is truly up for grabs, what are chances he gets down to the Sabres ?
and some much need sandpaper, toughness, etc. Still it would need to be a hockey trade and or another deal to make room with Hino and Asplund already being in the press box ?
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