Roster thread: Get To Work (2022-2023 Season)

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Copying this from the Chychrun to Buffalo thread on the main board, which is where I originally posted this:

I’d make the trade I mentioned earlier in this thread that @rt agreed to (Hayton + Vejmelka for Buffalo’s 1st (top 8 protected) but I’ll add that we send one of Anderson (if he agrees) or Comrie back.

And I’d try to pry Peeke out of Columbus. I dunno what they’d want (Mitts @50% + PHI 2023 2nd or Johnson (both?) may get it done.

Afterwards:

Skinner - Tage - Tuch
Peterka - Cozens - Quinn
Hayton - Jost - Olofsson
Girgensons - Krebs - Okposo
Asplund - Hino

Dahlin - Samuelsson
Power - Peeke
Jokiharju - Lyubushkin
Bryson - Fitzgerald/Clague

Vejmelka
Luukkonen
Anderson/Comrie




Thoughts? Opinions? Family recipes?
 
I think the lack of D picks in the drafts is because management thinks that our top 4 is locked up for the foreseeable future. I think they’ve shown that they are pretty high on Joker though so I won’t be surprised if they aren’t super aggressive in upgrading him on Powers pairing. Maybe they think Johnson will eventually sign too? Hopefully
 
Copying this from the Chychrun to Buffalo thread on the main board, which is where I originally posted this:

I’d make the trade I mentioned earlier in this thread that @rt agreed to (Hayton + Vejmelka for Buffalo’s 1st (top 8 protected) but I’ll add that we send one of Anderson (if he agrees) or Comrie back.

And I’d try to pry Peeke out of Columbus. I dunno what they’d want (Mitts @50% + PHI 2023 2nd or Johnson (both?) may get it done.

Afterwards:

Skinner - Tage - Tuch
Peterka - Cozens - Quinn
Hayton - Jost - Olofsson
Girgensons - Krebs - Okposo
Asplund - Hino

Dahlin - Samuelsson
Power - Peeke
Jokiharju - Lyubushkin
Bryson - Fitzgerald/Clague

Vejmelka
Luukkonen
Anderson/Comrie




Thoughts? Opinions? Family recipes?
Creates a goalie logjam. If UPL maintains his play and Comrie comes back strong, there’s no need for Vejmelka.

I’d take Olofsson (50% retained) and Fitzgerald to Nashville for Fabbro and Jankowski. Then waive Jankowski to Rochester. Problems solved.
 
We don’t need a ton of D coming. Our Top 4 is made of 23 and younger players. 5 and 6 can be filled in with trades or vet UFA signings. If you want to upgrade Joker then trade him in a package for an upgrade.
If you actually want to succeed, you need depth. You can't play guys 29-30 minutes every night. There is no reason to have no depth at D. You also have to actually sign Dahlin. There is that.
 
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You'd hope Johnson is paying attention to the team. Are there better situations in the league? Sure. But there's plenty of opportunity to play himself into this teams future. He could be a guy next to Power, with Joker driving his own pair. Clague had a clanger last night but he's played well this month and their styles aren't miles apart. Team has shown no aversion to playing D on their off side. Team will of course lean towards a Rochester education as they have with all prospects. But after a year with the Amerks, Bryson and Lybushkin are up, Dahlin and Power need mega deals so his ELC will be beneficial as cap becomes a factor.
 
Why would a team make a trade of a top 4 d man? I dunno, because you offer quality back in the form of forwards.
You didn‘t just say a top 4 dman. You said a 21/22yr old top 4 dmen with team control like Samuelsson.

Teams with those types of players aren’t looking to trade them. They're looking to build around them.
Our top 4 is a top 3. Look at the game today against Bruins. Three guys played 81 minutes. Bryson was in our #4. He stinks. Sorry, Jokiharju is not really doing it for me, even when he gets back. We don't have any D men in the pipeline ready for 2023-24 or maybe even 2024-25.
Johnson? He didn't sign and is a UFA soon.
The Sabres overloaded on forward depth with Savoie/Kulich/Rose/Nadeau/Poltapov looking like our best bets to make the NHL.

On D? Maybe Novikov/Lindgren make the NHL. Maybe.

It simply doesn't matter if we screwed the pooch on multiple drafts, we don't have much on D coming up.
Its like you didn’t read my post all the way through.

1) I already said our top 3 dmen is a cheat code to build a good defense. They are Nieds, Pronger and Beauchemin 2.0. We also have a very good top 4 with Joker as our #4 because of them. Thats fine if you want someone other than Joker but it doesn‘t change that.

2) I know Johnson didn’t sign because I said it in my previous post. Him not signing and Laaksonen not working out are why we don’t have prospects as depth options in Rochester. Or prospects who could graduate to NHL next year.

I also posted that next year we should see one, possibly two, of Adam picks sign and play defense in Rochester. I don’t see them as depth options though. At least not the first half of the season.
 
I'd rather pull in a top-4 and have Joker anchor the third pair.
I'm starting to think that the best odds of a nice thing like that happening, is to save a big trade for the draft and use the 2nds to trade up for Reinbacher. With any luck Johnson signs and maybe after the summer of 2024 when Lyubushkin's contract expires we have...

Samuelsson - Dahlin
Power - Reinbacher
Johnson - Jokiharju

I suppose that's hoping a lot from a 2023 draftee, but it seems as likely a result as any other trade target out there right now.
 
Why would a team make a trade of a top 4 d man? I dunno, because you offer quality back in the form of forwards.

Our top 4 is a top 3. Look at the game today against Bruins. Three guys played 81 minutes. Bryson was in our #4. He stinks. Sorry, Jokiharju is not really doing it for me, even when he gets back. We don't have any D men in the pipeline ready for 2023-24 or maybe even 2024-25.

Johnson? He didn't sign and is a UFA soon.

The Sabres overloaded on forward depth with Savoie/Kulich/Rose/Nadeau/Poltapov looking like our best bets to make the NHL.

On D? Maybe Novikov/Lindgren make the NHL. Maybe.

It simply doesn't matter if we screwed the pooch on multiple drafts, we don't have much on D coming up.

we did not screw the pooch because our drafted D skipped AHL time.

Novikov/ Lindgren Recently drafted. You likely see neither on the Sabres until 25/36 or 26/27 season when buffalo needs the young and cheap depth.

with Samuekson, Power, and a Dahlin on team long term I see

Jokiharju signed to 3-4 yr extension taking him thru summer 27 or 28 who would be replaced by a high pick 1st/2nd in 23-25 drafts

If they sign Johnson. He plays mainly in Rochester next year and in too 6 in 2024-25 Basically replaces Lyub.

if they dont sign Johnson thrn thry get a comp pick. Thst comp pick has real value.

in 27 or 28 Joki salary spot could transition to Johnson

it would be nice to get someone who can fill a mid pair role fir a few years but I’m not mortgaging the future to get that player because they do need to restock the shelves on D.

if they compete in 24-26/cup runs thrn they likely burn 1st/2nd in rental deals.
You guys think a under the radar vet like Luke Schenn would work? Hed be a rental but I would imagine he wouldn't cost more then a mid round pick and/or mid level prospect.

Schenn because of his salary and other teams lack of cap space make him very valuable at TDL. It will cost 2nd+ to get him.
Copying this from the Chychrun to Buffalo thread on the main board, which is where I originally posted this:

I’d make the trade I mentioned earlier in this thread that @rt agreed to (Hayton + Vejmelka for Buffalo’s 1st (top 8 protected) but I’ll add that we send one of Anderson (if he agrees) or Comrie back.

And I’d try to pry Peeke out of Columbus. I dunno what they’d want (Mitts @50% + PHI 2023 2nd or Johnson (both?) may get it done.

Afterwards:

Skinner - Tage - Tuch
Peterka - Cozens - Quinn
Hayton - Jost - Olofsson
Girgensons - Krebs - Okposo
Asplund - Hino

Dahlin - Samuelsson
Power - Peeke
Jokiharju - Lyubushkin
Bryson - Fitzgerald/Clague

Vejmelka
Luukkonen
Anderson/Comrie




Thoughts? Opinions? Family recipes?

not trading a 1st for that. Trade other things sure.
You'd hope Johnson is paying attention to the team. Are there better situations in the league? Sure. But there's plenty of opportunity to play himself into this teams future. He could be a guy next to Power, with Joker driving his own pair. Clague had a clanger last night but he's played well this month and their styles aren't miles apart. Team has shown no aversion to playing D on their off side. Team will of course lean towards a Rochester education as they have with all prospects. But after a year with the Amerks, Bryson and Lybushkin are up, Dahlin and Power need mega deals so his ELC will be beneficial as cap becomes a factor.

Buffalo is a very good opportunity for him to get a top 4 role but it won’t be granted to him.

he signs with buffalo he can burn an ELC year. He waits to go as a UFA he has to wait a full season before he can get a new contract.
I'd rather pull in a top-4 and have Joker anchor the third pair.

this year the team needs to be looking like

Sam-Dahlin
xxx-Joki
Power-Lyub

Power does not have the full season conditioning like a full season in A or CHL could bring.

next year Power is a 2nd pair D and who they get moves to 3rd pair
 
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I'm starting to think that the best odds of a nice thing like that happening, is to save a big trade for the draft and use the 2nds to trade up for Reinbacher. With any luck Johnson signs and maybe after the summer of 2024 when Lyubushkin's contract expires we have...

Samuelsson - Dahlin
Power - Reinbacher
Johnson - Jokiharju

I suppose that's hoping a lot from a 2023 draftee, but it seems as likely a result as any other trade target out there right now.
Maybe.

I gotta tell ya, tho. This winning streak is making me HUNGRY for a taste of the post-season this year. I'm not for selling the whole farm, but we do have an embarrassment of riches coming up. Sacrificing a piece now to accelerate the team's playoff development may pay off.
 
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I'm starting to think that the best odds of a nice thing like that happening, is to save a big trade for the draft and use the 2nds to trade up for Reinbacher. With any luck Johnson signs and maybe after the summer of 2024 when Lyubushkin's contract expires we have...

Samuelsson - Dahlin
Power - Reinbacher
Johnson - Jokiharju

I suppose that's hoping a lot from a 2023 draftee, but it seems as likely a result as any other trade target out there right now.

where do you think he’s getting drafted?
As of now I think Buffalo picks 13-19 range.

PHL pick is around 34-39. Trading that with another 2nd ( high 40s for BUF) might get them to 28-30. Depending on prospect pool rankings and draft depth.

im not so focused on picking a right vs left. Just picking a D.

A player picked late 1st/early 2nd I would not expect them to be buffalo regular until 27/28 with 26/27 being in call ups.

2027 is when I think Power goes on the high contract after 3 yr bridge.
if they resign Jokiharju then his contract ends when this drafted player would end their ELC.
 
Add Larkin and Laf then Chycrun on D and you might have something cooking for the playoffs.

Skin-TNT-Tuch
Quinn-Cozens-Peterka
Laf-Krebs-Larkin
Girgs-Jost-KO

Sammy-Dahlin
Power-Joker
Chycrun-Boosh
 
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where do you think he’s getting drafted?
As of now I think Buffalo picks 13-19 range.

PHL pick is around 34-39. Trading that with another 2nd ( high 40s for BUF) might get them to 28-30. Depending on prospect pool rankings and draft depth.
Don't know yet. Figure it out a couple weeks before the draft, Trade the Buf 1st and whatever 2nds are necessary for a team picking in the 5-15 range. There is no "Righty Samuelsson" that can be Power's partner out there for trade. If Reinbacher looks like a top-four D-man, Buffalo should do what it takes to get him in the draft. What the hell else can they do? The only other option is trading for or signing lesser players. I was specifically responding to the idea of acquiring a D-man good enough to slot Jokiharju down to 3rd pair. It's not necessary but it would be a nice thing.
 
Creates a goalie logjam. If UPL maintains his play and Comrie comes back strong, there’s no need for Vejmelka.

I’d take Olofsson (50% retained) and Fitzgerald to Nashville for Fabbro and Jankowski. Then waive Jankowski to Rochester. Problems solved.
If you make this move, here’s the team:

Skinner - Thompson - Tuch
Quinn - Cozens - Peterka
Asplund - Mittelstadt - Jost
Girgensons - Krebs - Okposo
x Hinostroza

Samuelsson - Dahlin
Power - Jokiharju/Fabbro
Bryson - Jokiharju/Fabbro
x Clague, Lyubushkin

UPL, Comrie, Anderson

Adams would need to try to sneak Clague through waivers once Comrie is back.
 
Add Larkin and Laf then Chycrun on D and you might have something cooking for the playoffs.

Skin-TNT-Tuch
Quinn-Cozens-Peterka
Laf-Krebs-Larkin
Girgs-Jost-KO

Sammy-Dahlin
Power-Joker
Chycrun-Boosh
I think this would require selling the farm, which I would not recommend. Biggest need is D, and I'm good with a slight overpay to get JC here for the next home game. TDL is too late. Armstrong needs to be only slightly less greedy. Tick tock.

I don't watch Laf enough to have formed an opinion on him. Does VO + 2nd sound like a decent value (not that NYR would accept)? He's .5 ppg, no?
 
Maybe.

I gotta tell ya, tho. This winning streak is making me HUNGRY for a taste of the post-season this year. I'm not for selling the whole farm, but we do have an embarrassment of riches coming up. Sacrificing a piece now to accelerate the team's playoff development may pay off.

my preference is going fir Rasmussen Andersen on Calgary. He has 3 full years after this year. The player picked in 2023 then replaces him ehrn his contract ends.

i think Calgary would be more into getting current roster players over all futures Which lessens our farm impact. They will also have cap issues so we can take salary from them

for 23/24 they are 9/6/3 with an RFA and a buried contract with about $2,5M in cap space.

buffalo could do something like

Andersson+$4MF with 1-2 yrs left ~$10M
for
Fitzgerald+Mitts/Olofsson at 50%+Jokiharju at 50%+ prospect+2nd (2nd depends on prospect)

that nets them $7M in cap space they desperately for next season

if they want a better or another prospect pr D buffalo could get back a prospect/ pick from them


Nobody wants him unless something added to entice.
 
Don't know yet. Figure it out a couple weeks before the draft, Trade the Buf 1st and whatever 2nds are necessary for a team picking in the 5-15 range. There is no "Righty Samuelsson" that can be Power's partner out there for trade. If Reinbacher looks like a top-four D-man, Buffalo should do what it takes to get him in the draft. What the hell else can they do? The only other option is trading for or signing lesser players. I was specifically responding to the idea of acquiring a D-man good enough to slot Jokiharju down to 3rd pair. It's not necessary but it would be a nice thing.

ive looked at draft ranking orders on various sites. I don’t know much about players and their fit/ styles but it looks like there are many D in that 15-35 range. I won’t heavily focus on this till after buffalo knows where they are picking.

the one you mentioned he was in the mid 20s area

we don’t need to try and get one when they could pick 2 With their and trade up.
 
my preference is going fir Rasmussen Andersen on Calgary. He has 3 full years after this year. The player picked in 2023 then replaces him ehrn his contract ends.

i think Calgary would be more into getting current roster players over all futures Which lessens our farm impact. They will also have cap issues so we can take salary from them

for 23/24 they are 9/6/3 with an RFA and a buried contract with about $2,5M in cap space.

buffalo could do something like

Andersson+$4MF with 1-2 yrs left ~$10M
for
Fitzgerald+Mitts/Olofsson at 50%+Jokiharju at 50%+ prospect+2nd (2nd depends on prospect)

that nets them $7M in cap space they desperately for next season

if they want a better or another prospect pr D buffalo could get back a prospect/ pick from them


Nobody wants him unless something added to entice.
I mean that's exactly what the tweet says... Sens willing to move a high draft pick or prospect to move him.
 
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