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Doug Prishpreed said:
Not sure what this has to do with my post but every good team has some UFAs. Your fear of UFAs, lecturing everyone for two years now about it is getting old. The fact is, every good team needs some good UFAs and they do exist.

Overpay is assumed, it's not a reason to not do it.

Sounds like you don't think anything helpful to this team is possible, or a thing the team would actually do -- you can stop telling us, we get it.
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Oh, I think there is plenty that can be done to make this team competitive, but it starts with a coaching change. Granato is not getting this team to the playoffs. Ever. I took up that position the day he was extended after watching his minor league coaching style as a interim coach.

The truth about Buffalo and the UFA market hurts and half this fan base is in denial on the issue. Blaming the GM for a landscape he has no control over is misguided.

As for improvement:

Bring in a new coaching staff and install the new system, then see who fits and who doesn't.

I would absolutely have Savoie on the table to upgrade the bottom 6. I however, do not believe Adams will move prospects to overpay for older vets - a shortcoming of his.

You have a misunderstanding on my position. I have never said Adams is a good GM. I just think he has done some things well that should be pointed out. My issue with replacing him is that Pegula will make the wrong choice again and make things worse. Adams is the lesser of two evils for me right now, and if they would replace the coaching staff, I think Adams' overly patient approach could still be an asset, as he hasn't sunbmarined this team, "yet", the way a guy like Murray would have already done two years ago.
 
oldgoalie said:
so much of this is what we were expecting to happen this season. why would anyone believe this management group will do anything to address these issues this next season.
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Some of us wanted it two offseasons ago. Was told we would FOR SURE see it this year. Still waiting.
 
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Irie said:
Oh, I think there is plenty that can be done to make this team competitive, but it starts with a coaching change. Granato is not getting this team to the playoffs. Ever. I took up that position the day he was extended after watching his minor league coaching style as a interim coach.

The truth about Buffalo and the UFA market hurts and half this fan base is in denial on the issue. Blaming the GM for a landscape he has no control over is misguided.

As for improvement:

Bring in a new coaching staff and install the new system, then see who fits and who doesn't.

I would absolutely have Savoie on the table to upgrade the bottom 6. I however, do not believe Adams will move prospects to overpay for older vets - a shortcoming of his.

You have a misunderstanding on my position. I have never said Adams is a good GM. I just think he has done some things well that should be pointed out. My issue with replacing him is that Pegula will make the wrong choice again and make things worse. Adams is the lesser of two evils for me right now, and if they would replace the coaching staff, I think Adams' overly patient approach could still be an asset, as he hasn't sunbmarined this team, "yet", the way a guy like Murray would have already done two years ago.
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So you are for trading away top notch prospects for older bottom 6 vets but not signing them as free agents.

Makes sense.
 
oldgoalie said:
so much of this is what we were expecting to happen this season. why would anyone believe this management group will do anything to address these issues this next season.
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Doug Prishpreed said:
Did you forget you’re taking about the Buffalo Sabres? I think they’ll be in on all of the UFA defensemen you listed and will miss out on all of them.

They won’t even try to get a goalie, and the only forwards incoming will be 4th line replacements, none of them true centers.
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i mean, you guys aren't wrong. I guess the real fantasy of this all is expecting to have a competent GM/Coach
 
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if we're trading away Top prospect it should be for 24-30 year old top 6f / top 4d players. yes it's sexy in theory to have all these guys
(Krebs Savioe Kulich rosen ostlund Peterka Quinn Benson strbak wahlberg) in the line up, all hit potential but it's not gonna happen. we need Players (Not hasbeens) Who play the right way and don't keel over and f***ing die when the going gets tough

Trade for a Saros Guentzel Konency Jenner Roy
 
toddkaz said:
So you are for trading away top notch prospects for older bottom 6 vets but not signing them as free agents.

Makes sense.
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You aren't signing great bottom six players in UFA because they aren't coming to Buffalo, not because you don't want to.
 
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Irie said:
You aren't signing great bottom six players in UFA because they aren't coming to Buffalo, not because you don't want to.
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its not like they gave themselves a chance when you shore up limited open bottom 6 spots with the same players from the year before within the first week of free agency And you have an internal “policy” of not blocking prospects.

but who knows, maybe Adams in his phone calls to agents and within the market heard Buffalo was not a place of target for players.
 
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OkimLom said:
its not like they gave themselves a chance when you shore up limited open bottom 6 spots with the same players from the year before within the first week of free agency And you have an internal “policy” of not blocking prospects.

but who knows, maybe Adams in his phone calls to agents and within the market heard Buffalo was not a place of target for players.
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I think that is likely what happened.

He left Jost's spot open with the hope an upgrade would slip through, but a few hours into free agency, he had his answer and then offered Jost his qualifying offer.

I like to blame Adams for the bad Power extension, his poor decisions to only draft small forwards, and his dumb loyalty to players and coaches that has the wheels spinning in this organizations but I can't fault him for not being able to entice quality UFAs to sign in Buffalo. I don't think that is his fault.
 
I would like them to try to manufacture a heavier identity line that can replace the very slow Okposo with someone useful who could also slide up the lineup going into next season. Mentioned it in another post, but the two players I would look at for playing wing who bring heavier, move veteran games would be William Carrier (yes, him again, he's UFA) and Brandon Duhaime (also UFA) to add to Robinson. Carrier is among the best at what he does in a 3rd or 4th line ES role. Duhaime is not loved by his advanced stats this year but he's another strong PKing forward who plays the body and isn't known to quit on plays.

There are no players in the Sabres pro prospect system who play these sort of roles.

Do I expect it?

No. In fact, I expect they will keep trying to roll Gus out as long as he wants to stay and work in creampuffs like Olofsson and any of the undersized, offensive only prospects they have in their near-term pipeline instead of actually starting to figure out how to build a roster like a team that wins games on the ice instead of in an EA sports video game.
 
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Irie said:
I think that is likely what happened.

He left Jost's spot open with the hope an upgrade would slip through, but a few hours into free agency, he had his answer and then offered Jost his qualifying offer.

I like to blame Adams for the bad Power extension, his poor decisions to only draft small forwards, and his dumb loyalty to players and coaches that has the wheels spinning in this organizations but I can't fault him for not being able to entice quality UFAs to sign in Buffalo. I don't think that is his fault.
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A few hours in? This tweet is from 12:41pm. So at most Jost signed 41 minutes into free agency. In all likelihood he was signed at 12:00 and it just took 41 minutes for reporters to post all of the more important free agency news before finding time to post about schlubs like Jost.

 
Chainshot said:
And not for nothing, but when was the last time this team had a guy work into the lineup as a useful player - the sort of player they find in short supply - and for the team to realize it, and retain them?
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ERob and thenbthey bench him for Vic
 
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And not for nothing, but when was the last time this team had a guy work into the lineup as a useful player - the sort of player they find in short supply - and for the team to realize it, and retain them?
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Daniel Briere? Chris Drury? Lol
 
BFLO said:
A few hours in? This tweet is from 12:41pm. So at most Jost signed 41 minutes into free agency. In all likelihood he was signed at 12:00 and it just took 41 minutes for reporters to post all of the more important free agency news before finding time to post about schlubs like Jost.

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You do know that players can start to talk to other clubs after the draft is completed and before the UFA period opens, right?

Adams had plenty of time to hear back from agents about who wouldn't be signing with him.
 
Irie said:
You do know that players can start to talk to other clubs after the draft is completed and before the UFA period opens, right?

Adams had plenty of time to hear back from agents about who wouldn't be signing with him.
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I’m aware of that. But that wasn’t what you supposed happened in your previous post.
 
BFLO said:
Olofsson… who then promptly turned back into a pumpkin
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Olofsson is a case of a player that showed an ability to score goals and management decided that he didn’t need anymore time to fine tune other skills to make a more rounded player, and then handed him a spot on the roster Because we needed scoring.
 
Chainshot said:
Perhaps they should consider hiring someone with hockey hyperfocus and our brand of mental dysfunction. :biglaugh:

Or more than one pro scout.
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BFLO said:
I’m aware of that. But that wasn’t what you supposed happened in your previous post.
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Ok, technically you are correct and I miss-spoke. I probably should have used 37 hours instead of a couple of hours, because that was how long Adams had to find out he was not a UFA GM winner ;)

The implied narrative that Jost was signed before Adams had done due diligence on other players is likely false though. If they had wanted to re-sign jost before hearing back from other UFAs, they would not have let him get to free agency at all. I think the overpaying QO offer was a big panic move from Adams once he was notified no one chose Buffalo.
 
The absolute first UFA they need to sign is a bona fided President of Hockey Ops ... someone with respect and clout from around the league.

They need this organization to not look like a clown show.

Would go a long way in being able to attract UFA's .

Until that happens...
 
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Beerz said:
The absolute first UFA they need to sign is a bona fided President of Hockey Ops ... someone with respect and clout from around the league.

They need this organization to not look like a clown show.

Would go a long way in being able to attract UFA's .

Until that happens...
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Seems like a forgone conclusion that it won't happen.
 
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