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Djp said:
Why doesn’t Greenway count?
Why doesn’t RyJo count? Most of this board said trade him/ don’t sign.
he signed Levi…but that doesn’t count Either








like what?

8 of top 9 F were known coming into thr drsft last year. What changes should have been made?
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Greenway counts. But he's only 1 piece of the bottom 6. I'm fine with Girgs being back too.

Krebs should be in the AHL. Benson should be in the WHL. Oloffson and Jost should not be on the team. Okposo should be retired

That leaves the bottom 6 as Greenway, Mitts, Girgs and 3 open slots. Or even 4 open slots with Mitts being in the top 6 while Quinn was out. Noel Acciari, Garnet Hathaway, Ryan Johansen were available. Reilly Smith went for a 3rd, although we're probably on his NTC. Plenty of other forwards were available that would have been upgrades for us.

As far as top 4D. Hronek, Gavrikov, Chychrun, Ekholm, Orlov, Severson were all available.

Ryjo is not a top 4D yet, and should be in the AHL. Levi should be in the AHL. And I don't feel like getting your prospects to sign their ELC's is that big of an accomplishment. It's business as usual 99% of the time.
 
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BFLO said:
Greenway counts. But he's only 1 piece of the bottom 6. I'm fine with Girgs being back too.

Krebs should be in the AHL. Benson should be in the WHL. Oloffson and Jost should not be on the team. Okposo should be retired

That leaves the bottom 6 as Greenway, Mitts, Girgs and 3 open slots. Or even 4 open slots with Mitts being in the top 6 while Quinn was out. Noel Acciari, Garnet Hathaway, Ryan Johansen were available. Reilly Smith went for a 3rd, although we're probably on his NTC. Plenty of other forwards were available that would have been upgrades for us.

As far as top 4D. Hronek, Gavrikov, Chychrun, Ekholm, Orlov, Severson were all available.

Ryjo is not a top 4D yet, and should be in the AHL. Levi should be in the AHL. And I don't feel like getting your prospects to sign their ELC's is that big of an accomplishment. It's business as usual 99% of the time.
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The problem is they need to want to come here.
 
BFLO said:
Greenway counts. But he's only 1 piece of the bottom 6. I'm fine with Girgs being back too.

Krebs should be in the AHL. Benson should be in the WHL. Oloffson and Jost should not be on the team. Okposo should be retired

That leaves the bottom 6 as Greenway, Mitts, Girgs and 3 open slots. Or even 4 open slots with Mitts being in the top 6 while Quinn was out. Noel Acciari, Garnet Hathaway, Ryan Johansen were available. Reilly Smith went for a 3rd, although we're probably on his NTC. Plenty of other forwards were available that would have been upgrades for us.

As far as top 4D. Hronek, Gavrikov, Chychrun, Ekholm, Orlov, Severson were all available.

Ryjo is not a top 4D yet, and should be in the AHL. Levi should be in the AHL. And I don't feel like getting your prospects to sign their ELC's is that big of an accomplishment. It's business as usual 99% of the time.
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Much of Riley smith's family live in the Toronto and Buffalo area as far as I know. Im friends with his cousin. Might not have been that tough of a sell.
 
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BFLO said:
Greenway counts. But he's only 1 piece of the bottom 6. I'm fine with Girgs being back too.

Krebs should be in the AHL. Benson should be in the WHL. Oloffson and Jost should not be on the team. Okposo should be retired

That leaves the bottom 6 as Greenway, Mitts, Girgs and 3 open slots. Or even 4 open slots with Mitts being in the top 6 while Quinn was out. Noel Acciari, Garnet Hathaway, Ryan Johansen were available. Reilly Smith went for a 3rd, although we're probably on his NTC. Plenty of other forwards were available that would have been upgrades for us.

As far as top 4D. Hronek, Gavrikov, Chychrun, Ekholm, Orlov, Severson were all available.

Ryjo is not a top 4D yet, and should be in the AHL. Levi should be in the AHL. And I don't feel like getting your prospects to sign their ELC's is that big of an accomplishment. It's business as usual 99% of the time.
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For the top 4D, you need to look at the return before you complain about the lack of trades. Even without a NTC or NMC, teams will try to trade a player to a Cup contender. For someone like Chychrun, we know he went for less than what Arizona wanted from Buffalo. There was no A prospect returned, there was no guaranteed high 1st, and there was no guaranteed 2nd first. They (Arizona) received a 1st, a second rounder that would become a 1st depending on 2022-23, and then meh. If you’d trade Savoie/Kulich, #12-#17 in 2023, and a 2nd rounder for him (and at this point it’ll be a 1st rounder) for Chychrun then I’m sorry.

As for the rest of your options, Ekholm is the only one that fans don’t complain about (either acquisition cost OR free agent cost). I’d even prefer some of them to be Sabres, but not at what they make
 
BFLO said:
Greenway counts. But he's only 1 piece of the bottom 6. I'm fine with Girgs being back too.

Krebs should be in the AHL. Benson should be in the WHL. Oloffson and Jost should not be on the team. Okposo should be retired

That leaves the bottom 6 as Greenway, Mitts, Girgs and 3 open slots. Or even 4 open slots with Mitts being in the top 6 while Quinn was out. Noel Acciari, Garnet Hathaway, Ryan Johansen were available. Reilly Smith went for a 3rd, although we're probably on his NTC. Plenty of other forwards were available that would have been upgrades for us.

As far as top 4D. Hronek, Gavrikov, Chychrun, Ekholm, Orlov, Severson were all available.

Ryjo is not a top 4D yet, and should be in the AHL. Levi should be in the AHL. And I don't feel like getting your prospects to sign their ELC's is that big of an accomplishment. It's business as usual 99% of the time.
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I agree with your overall point but Krebs, Johnson and Benson are NHL players. Eh I'm torn. In hindsight the team probably would be better off if they signed some low cost vets to fill out while keeping a few guys down a little longer.
 
SundherDome said:
The problem is they need to want to come here.
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No. The problem is that Adams had no intention of re-shaping the bottom 6 in the manner that it needed. He re-signed Okposo on May 24th, Girgs on June 20th, and Jost was re-signed the millisecond that free agency started on July 1st. It's obvious by the timing of the signings that those were his priority moves. He never shipped out or waived Olofsson, he never sent Krebs down to the AHL while waiver exempt.

He had no intention of improving the forwards.
MarkusKetterer said:
For the top 4D, you need to look at the return before you complain about the lack of trades. Even without a NTC or NMC, teams will try to trade a player to a Cup contender. For someone like Chychrun, we know he went for less than what Arizona wanted from Buffalo. There was no A prospect returned, there was no guaranteed high 1st, and there was no guaranteed 2nd first. They (Arizona) received a 1st, a second rounder that would become a 1st depending on 2022-23, and then meh. If you’d trade Savoie/Kulich, #12-#17 in 2023, and a 2nd rounder for him (and at this point it’ll be a 1st rounder) for Chychrun then I’m sorry.

As for the rest of your options, Ekholm is the only one that fans don’t complain about (either acquisition cost OR free agent cost). I’d even prefer some of them to be Sabres, but not at what they make
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Why would Arizona turn down a similar package of picks from Buffalo that they accepted from Ottawa? Our 1st had the same value as Ottawa's. Seems like Adams was incapable of or unwilling to negotiate a similar deal. It makes less than 0 sense that Arizona would turn down the same deal from the Sabres with a little + thrown on. Adams crying in a press conference that Arizona only wanted our prospects

Ekholm was the only one of the group that we couldn't have afforded as we didn't have a Tyson Barrie equivalent to offer NSH in trade.

DJN21 said:
Much of Riley smith's family live in the Toronto and Buffalo area as far as I know. Im friends with his cousin. Might not have been that tough of a sell.
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Ah, I didn't know that! Makes it even more likely that we could have snagged him. He did accept a trade to Pittsburgh after all, one of the NHL cities most similar to Buffalo, and the teams couldn't have been closer in the standings heading into the offseason.
 
BFLO said:
No. The problem is that Adams had no intention of re-shaping the bottom 6 in the manner that it needed. He re-signed Okposo on May 24th, Girgs on June 20th, and Jost was re-signed the millisecond that free agency started on July 1st. It's obvious by the timing of the signings that those were his priority moves. He never shipped out or waived Olofsson, he never sent Krebs down to the AHL while waiver exempt.

He had no intention of improving the forwards.

Why would Arizona turn down a similar package of picks from Buffalo that they accepted from Ottawa? Our 1st had the same value as Ottawa's. Seems like Adams was incapable of or unwilling to negotiate a similar deal. It makes less than 0 sense that Arizona would turn down the same deal from the Sabres with a little + thrown on. Adams crying in a press conference that Arizona only wanted our prospects

Ekholm was the only one of the group that we couldn't have afforded as we didn't have a Tyson Barrie equivalent to offer NSH in trade.


Ah, I didn't know that! Makes it even more likely that we could have snagged him. He did accept a trade to Pittsburgh after all, one of the
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He signed them because he knew nobody wanted to come here or wanted to pay the premium to get them to come here.

Arizona also noted that we offered the same package for Chyc, they said they took Ottawa's because they liked the pick better than ours
 
Sens fan here. Just curious whether Jokiharju is likely to be available via trade for picks and what you'd see as fair value coming back?

(Regardless what it is you need to throw in a few pounds from Duffs to sweeten).
 
dumbdick said:
Sens fan here. Just curious whether Jokiharju is likely to be available via trade for picks and what you'd see as fair value coming back?

(Regardless what it is you need to throw in a few pounds from Duffs to sweeten).
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Can’t imagine they move him for picks. Hockey trade, maybe, he’s certainly not untouchable. But he’s young, so there’s no reason to swap his current value for a handful of air with a dream inside it.
 
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dumbdick said:
Sens fan here. Just curious whether Jokiharju is likely to be available via trade for picks and what you'd see as fair value coming back?

(Regardless what it is you need to throw in a few pounds from Duffs to sweeten).
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I can't imagine they would trade for picks. The team has a ton of prospects in the pipeline but needs to fill some holes now, not in 3 or 4 years.
 
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Tied for lowest offseason grade with Ottawa


Buffalo Sabres​

Offseason grade: D​

The Sabres made two depth signings on defense in Connor Clifton and Erik Johnson but didn’t add a player who could play with Owen Power on the second pair. They also brought back the same forward group, despite knowing they would be without Jack Quinn to start the season. They didn’t bring in a veteran goalie, either. As a result, the Sabres have dealt with the growing pains of their two young goalies, Devon Levi and Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen. — Matthew Fairburn
 
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dumbdick said:
Sens fan here. Just curious whether Jokiharju is likely to be available via trade for picks and what you'd see as fair value coming back?

(Regardless what it is you need to throw in a few pounds from Duffs to sweeten).
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Not for picks. He could be moved in a hockey trade with players involved.

I don’t see him moved this year. I feel Erik Johnson gets moved around the deadline to a cup fav team. They will ned Jokiharju to play on a RD.
 
BFLO said:
Tied for lowest offseason grade with Ottawa


Buffalo Sabres​

Offseason grade: D​

The Sabres made two depth signings on defense in Connor Clifton and Erik Johnson but didn’t add a player who could play with Owen Power on the second pair. They also brought back the same forward group, despite knowing they would be without Jack Quinn to start the season. They didn’t bring in a veteran goalie, either. As a result, the Sabres have dealt with the growing pains of their two young goalies, Devon Levi and Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen. — Matthew Fairburn
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Not sure how anyone can take the Athletic's hockey reporting seriously. This is from the same guy in the offseason.

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Mittelstadt is getting more expensive every month.

Long term I don't think we can afford Cozens

Levi should stay in Rochester the next year and a half

I like Frost and Foerster out of Philly.

DeMelo and Dillon...we'd be cooking with
Sammy Dahlin
Power DeMelo
Dillon Joker
RyJo
But maybe they both re-up with WPG

Kulich and Rosen as trade chips in the right trade but I dont know what D at a good cap hit are available.

No easy answers. It's been a disappointing season for maybe half of the roster and the way we're designed its...try it again next year?

Savoie&Kulich&Rosen on the roster next year isn't the way. I'd rather add some 2024 draft picks that can be cheap roster players in a few years.

Cozens/Kulich/Rosen/Clifton
Frost/Foerster/CalPete(capdump)/PF1st/FP1st

Thus gives is a top6 and bottom6 with the forwards. You've got 3 firsts in 2024. Need to fill 2RHD, 3LHD, 1B in net.

A lot of prospects in Rochester that are now underperforming. It's like what happened with the Kings.

We've gone from 3.57 goals per game to 2.95. It's maddening. The rest of the league has figured us out and our coaches are too inept to evolve the way the team plays.
 
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elchud said:
Mittelstadt is getting more expensive every month.

Long term I don't think we can afford Cozens

Levi should stay in Rochester the next year and a half

I like Frost and Foerster out of Philly.

DeMelo and Dillon...we'd be cooking with
Sammy Dahlin
Power DeMelo
Dillon Joker
RyJo
But maybe they both re-up with WPG

Kulich and Rosen as trade chips in the right trade but I dont know what D at a good cap hit are available.

No easy answers. It's been a disappointing season for maybe half of the roster and the way we're designed its...try it again next year?

Savoie&Kulich&Rosen on the roster next year isn't the way. I'd rather add some 2024 draft picks that can be cheap roster players in a few years.

Cozens/Kulich/Rosen/Clifton
Frost/Foerster/CalPete(capdump)/PF1st/FP1st

Thus gives is a top6 and bottom6 with the forwards. You've got 3 firsts in 2024. Need to fill 2RHD, 3LHD, 1B in net.

A lot of prospects in Rochester that are now underperforming. It's like what happened with the Kings.

We've gone from 3.57 goals per game to 2.95. It's maddening. The rest of the league has figured us out and our coaches are too inept to evolve the way the team plays.
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Why?
 
I half feel bad for TNT tomorrow night. I mean, I get what they were going for: "Come see the dynamic likely rookie of the year Connor Bedard take on the high-flying Buffalo Sabres!! Lots of goals likely!!!"

And now it's like "Come see the Rockford IceHogs (with a couple of Blackhawks smattered around), on the 2nd of a back-to-back, take on the Jekyll-and-Hyde Buffalo Sabres!!! Maybe you'll get some watchable hockey!!!!"
 
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Hi guys, Flyers fan coming in peace. Looking at the Sabres roster you guys have a lot of solid young pieces. Are there any U24 you are willing to move? What is this team missing? Feels like they should be a lot better than they are.
 
WolfOfBroadStreet14 said:
Hi guys, Flyers fan coming in peace. Looking at the Sabres roster you guys have a lot of solid young pieces. Are there any U24 you are willing to move? What is this team missing? Feels like they should be a lot better than they are.
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Krebs would be the only one who wouldn’t require an overpayment who I could actually imagine doing well with Torts
 
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theathletic.com

Tank Index: Which bad NHL teams are best positioned to boost their draft lottery odds?

Let’s run the numbers and see which team is best positioned to make a dedicated push for Macklin Celebrini at the 2024 NHL Draft.
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10. Buffalo Sabres​

Season so far: 7/10. Bad. Again.

Seller potential: 4/10. They’ve got several expiring deals, although whether any would move the needle is a fair question. For what it’s worth, our most recent trade board didn’t include any Sabres.

Goaltending problems: 6/10. You can argue over whether Devon Levi and Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen have done enough to make Sabres fans feel good about the long-term future, but they certainly haven’t made anyone worry that they’re going to steal a ton of points in the second half.

Motivation: 4/10. This one’s a tough call. The Sabres certainly know how to rebuild, and the market is used to it. But that’s the problem. It’s been 12 years of this, and at some point, you can’t keep taking a step back, even strategically. GM Kevyn Adams isn’t in jeopardy (although coach Don Granato might be), so his options should be open. But at some point it needs to be about adding, not subtracting.

Tank total: 21/40. Man, these guys can’t rank well in anything, am I right Sabres fans? It … it was just a joke. Please stop crying.
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WolfOfBroadStreet14 said:
Hi guys, Flyers fan coming in peace. Looking at the Sabres roster you guys have a lot of solid young pieces. Are there any U24 you are willing to move? What is this team missing? Feels like they should be a lot better than they are.
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We are missing players who play a heavy game. We need some grit and defensive responsibility to add to our bottom 6. A top 4 D man to play with power would also be nice.

As for pieces below 24 willing to move? The problem there is I think a lot of us are willing to move almost any prospect, but Adams seems reluctant. If you are asking me, Krebs, Savoie, Rosen, Ostlund, and Kulich should all be on the table for the right price/deal. Mitts or Cozens should also be available for the right deal but would be much more expensive imo.

Again, just my opinion. Adams has seemingly been in no rush to sell young players to fix holes.
 
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