Add in some names like Joel Armia, Paul Byron, JT Compher, Brandon Hagel. At some point all of these guys were some of the best 3rd line type players in the league. I do think Peterka can develop into a great two way forward tho.
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Kassian...on defense Mcnabb...this is a no truculence zone!
I often wonder if Devane didn't break Tropp's face (fighting wayyy outta his weight class and in pre-season none the less) if Tropp couldv'e carved out a 4th line NHL role...alas here we are.
You completely missed the point.
32 year old Hathaway is not 28 year old Hathaway any longer. He is not a player that makes a difference on Buffalo's PK. (I am sure I am going to see a chart of Hathaway's metrics any minute now playing in Torts' system compared to Okposo's metrics playing in Granato's
) If you watched him play this year, you would know where I am coming from.Yes, the Okposo signing and the Jost Signing were atrocious. I said so when they were inked. This discussion is not about Adams, that is why there is an Adams thread.
The point is that players available now for late round picks are not really going to be the solution.
I will give you that Hathaway would add some Snarl that this team sorely lacks, but at 32 and on the decline, I don't think the rest of his game is good enough any more to be an answer here.
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Man, I loved Corey Tropp. Another what could have been like Denis Hamel...
The problem is, if cozens is getting traded out it’s part of a package for some thing that is super elite… Like it will never happen, but I imagine that would be the kind of player that’s moving in a deal for McDavid or next level piece that needs to be on the move. So unless you plan on trading Elias Pettersson the forward ( which I know you don’t ) for cozens plus picks plus top and prospect and I don’t think it’s really a conversation Sabres are interested in.
Any trade that brings in more people than we send out is probably the wrong trade and we don’t need Middle 6 people as we have tons of those in the wings waiting to come in. What we need is one or two key players, that play differently than what we have, an offense, and another defenseman that’s top four. So I can see the Sabres trading out 5 to 7 pieces including draft picks, to achieve that goal if they’re doing it right but I don’t think we need lots of pieces coming back in any trade
With Cozens, you are asking for a recent top ten center pick who is 22, big, fast, and wants to play in Buffalo, and who also put up 31 goals and 68 points last season for a package of players that does nothing that helps the win-now-Sabres win now.
If you think any of the player on that list have a large amount of trade value, then Vancouver should trade them to another team for valuable NHL assets which could possibly be used to return something better (Buffalo has zero space for any of your trade pieces except for Brustewicz, but with Dahlin and Power signed for another 9 years, he is not a priority).
Krebs is likely available for the right price. He is being misused on the fourth line and being converted into a shut down grinder
His play in the Worlds last summer showed that he has a lot of top 6 potential. He has been characterized as a great dressing room leader and the kid has a lot of heart, there just isn't a spot for him currently on this Sabres team with Cozens, Thompson and Mitts in the mix. Personally I would not move Krebs until Mitts is inked for multiple years, but if you offered something the Sabres need (strong defensive forwards with bite with term in their 20s), I'd probably change my mind and offer him in a package).
Out of curiosity, what is the ask on Dakota? He is UFA this season, isn't he? What kind of contract are you expecting him to get and is he in the longterm plans?
Misused is an understatement. What they have done to the kid is ridiculous. It's a Kruger-like.Krebs is likely available for the right price. He is being misused on the fourth line and being converted into a shut down grinder
With Dakota, we honestly don’t know. The steps he’s taken this year are huge. He PK’s, he plays physical, can fight, top 5 in the league in hits, but he’s got some nice hands and finishing ability and is probably one of our best defensive forwards on our team. Over here, the priority is to 100% re sign him to something reasonable. He was our unsung hero last season and this year has been a huge part of our success. Guys like him aren’t going to be cheap methinks, similar to Jeannot.With Cozens, you are asking for a recent top ten center pick who is 22, big, fast, and wants to play in Buffalo, and who also put up 31 goals and 68 points last season for a package of players that does nothing that helps the win-now-Sabres win now.
If you think any of the player on that list have a large amount of trade value, then Vancouver should trade them to another team for valuable NHL assets which could possibly be used to return something better (Buffalo has zero space for any of your trade pieces except for Brustewicz, but with Dahlin and Power signed for another 9 years, he is not a priority).
Krebs is likely available for the right price. He is being misused on the fourth line and being converted into a shut down grinder
His play in the Worlds last summer showed that he has a lot of top 6 potential. He has been characterized as a great dressing room leader and the kid has a lot of heart, there just isn't a spot for him currently on this Sabres team with Cozens, Thompson and Mitts in the mix. Personally I would not move Krebs until Mitts is inked for multiple years, but if you offered something the Sabres need (strong defensive forwards with bite with term in their 20s), I'd probably change my mind and offer him in a package).
Out of curiosity, what is the ask on Dakota? He is UFA this season, isn't he? What kind of contract are you expecting him to get and is he in the longterm plans?
He is rocking a high shooting percentage like most Canucks (story of the season), but in the open market he’s likely going to be asking for a big raise, somewhere around 2.6-4M as a range and a 4-5 year deal. He’s someone we’ll 100% try and re sign and will be a huge priority after Pettersson/Hronek deals. I don’t think he’d be available considering our competitive window has opened and guys like him just don’t really get moved anything short of an extraordinary package.
That said, if he’s asking for near or more than 4M (who knows how crazy this free agency is going to get), he’s priced himself out with us as we won’t be able to afford him. So your best bet to get him is if he walks. A guy like him is going to want security, so don’t worry about some “Buffalo tax” or not being able to bring him.
Thanks for the feedback. That is kinda what I figured. It also fits right in with the discussion in this thread about the cost of quality defensive players and their availability.
Hope you guys can re-sign him. From what I have seen, he looks to be a keeper. (honestly, I would say I hope you don't sign him and Adam's steps up and picks him up in free agency, but we all know that will never happen, so we will have to settle for hoping he stays out west with you guys
Here’s the thing. Joshua was some random guy nobody knew until training camp rolled around last season. Nobody knew much except for this new management who are like “yeah he’s going to be playing in the NHL for us”. Ok……. weird.Thanks for the feedback. That is kinda what I figured. It also fits right in with the discussion in this thread about the cost of quality defensive players and their availability.
Hope you guys can re-sign him. From what I have seen, he looks to be a keeper. (honestly, I would say I hope you don't sign him and Adam's steps up and picks him up in free agency, but we all know that will never happen, so we will have to settle for hoping he stays out west
Then we see him play and it’s the reason why we don’t get paid to evaluate talent. There are a bunch of Joshua’s out there ready to be given a shot. Sometimes you just have to find them and be able to develop and mold them to become what you want them to be. Joshua was punching faces and essentially acting like an enforcer under Boudreau, then Tocchet comes in and is like “yeah we know your capable and want you to do more than just face punch guys” and that’s what ended up happening.
These types of depth role players can be acquired for free without much cost. Just gotta be able to find them and hope scouting knows what they’re doing.
Some of the comments about Krebs above led me to recall an interview that James Patrick did this past summer on Sabres Live. Patrick was in town for the Sabres golf tournament and was asked to comment on his time with Krebs, Savoie, and Benson.
You can find the episode here. The conversation about the three players starts around the 20 minute mark.
But, as far as the NHL goes, while he has gotten his feet under him and has established himself as an NHL player and he still has dreams and hopes of being a top six forward, Patrick is not sure that will happen. The reason is that, according to Patrick, it's because the "NHL will put you in your place."
He then gave the example of Guy Carbonneau - one that he said he always mentions to his players. Carbonneau was one of the best players in the Q. He put up 62 goals and 141 points in his draft year and 72 goals and 182 points in his D+1 year. BTW, he was drafted in round 3 by Montreal, 44th overall. Patrick went on to explain that, in his opinion, the league put Carbonneau in his place. That in order for him to be successful, he had become one of the games best defensive forwards - because that's the place into which the NHL put him
Back to Krebs, he said the Peyton is driven and competitive and will do anything to help the team win but " I think he's got to become a great penalty killer, he's got great energy. He's got great energy, he brings energy every day. He's not going to be a top 6 forward, he might not, but there's a leadership role, a work ethic role that he can influence the team."
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You can find the episode here. The conversation about the three players starts around the 20 minute mark.
Of Krebs he said it was obvious the age of 16, and even before, that he would do whatever it took to get better and that by the age of 17/18, he pretty much drove the bus on the team. He was the alpha male, helped set the culture and helped everyone get better.But, as far as the NHL goes, while he has gotten his feet under him and has established himself as an NHL player and he still has dreams and hopes of being a top six forward, Patrick is not sure that will happen. The reason is that, according to Patrick, it's because the "NHL will put you in your place."
He then gave the example of Guy Carbonneau - one that he said he always mentions to his players. Carbonneau was one of the best players in the Q. He put up 62 goals and 141 points in his draft year and 72 goals and 182 points in his D+1 year. BTW, he was drafted in round 3 by Montreal, 44th overall. Patrick went on to explain that, in his opinion, the league put Carbonneau in his place. That in order for him to be successful, he had become one of the games best defensive forwards - because that's the place into which the NHL put him
Back to Krebs, he said the Peyton is driven and competitive and will do anything to help the team win but " I think he's got to become a great penalty killer, he's got great energy. He's got great energy, he brings energy every day. He's not going to be a top 6 forward, he might not, but there's a leadership role, a work ethic role that he can influence the team."
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Der Jaeger
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@RasmusAndersson great discussion, thanks for coming to our board.
Here’s a deal @My Cozen Dylan proposed on the main trade board
Coleman
Weegar
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Krebs
Jokiharju
Kulich
2024 2nd
Thoughts?
Here’s a deal @My Cozen Dylan proposed on the main trade board
Coleman
Weegar
for
Krebs
Jokiharju
Kulich
2024 2nd
Thoughts?
I'm glad you shared this. It happens to be very close to what I started to think of Krebs early last season. I think he can be an above average checking C, but he has to embrace that role and give up on the "savvy passer/playmaker" reputation that Juniors gave him. He's currently being slotted in ice time and role where he should be. He's not a top-six talent. He can be a pretty good 3/4 C though and that's important too. I'm only interested in a possible trade with him to get bigger, tougher, more experienced, etc. If not and those guys can be added otherwise, it should be good to have him for a while.
Jason York mentioned on the SDP that he think the Sens locker room feels too safe and needs a shake up hockey trade to wake the team up. If the Sabres did that, who would/should it be?
Thinking about it feels like a real Sophie's choice. Skinner is unmovable. Tuch? Tage? Cozens? Don't think an upcoming free agent in Mitts is a good idea or a real shot across the bow for the locker room.
I obviously think firing the entire coaching staff would be the first, most sensible warning. But if that doesn't work, then what?
Thinking about it feels like a real Sophie's choice. Skinner is unmovable. Tuch? Tage? Cozens? Don't think an upcoming free agent in Mitts is a good idea or a real shot across the bow for the locker room.
I obviously think firing the entire coaching staff would be the first, most sensible warning. But if that doesn't work, then what?
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My Cozen Dylan
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Wasn't even thinking about a trade with a "division rival" but wow. Thay would get people... upset. Don't think ottawa takes that 1 for 1
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I don't think Ottawa does that. Sanderson in his own zone is everything I wish Power was and he's only a smidge less offensively gifted.
How is that guy stiven sardarian we got from the Montour trade doing? Is he ready for the nhl yet?
Zman5778
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Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, so I'll take you at face value:
He's a sophomore at the University of New Hampshire and has put up 10 points in 17 games.
Beyond that, I can't tell you much.
Djp
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I have interest in none of them
Mittlestadt, Joker, or Krebs could be moved.
Cozens could be moved but it would not be for spare marts but in a deal for say McD/EP type of trade
My feeling is that Mittlestadt and Kres are possibly the ones to be traded. looking in the future you
Thonpson drafted in 2016
Cozens drafted in 2019
Savoie/Ostlund drafted in 2022
you have some age spacing.
not even close.
Bruzstewicz --Im not sold on. there have b3een numerous Dmen like him who do well after their are drafted but dont amount to squat in the NHL.
Aman is depth move
Podokin is in bust territory and has little value
but that is what you offered
Buffalo has some prospect RD in their system but they are a few years away. could move a higher player in a deal for Willander.
Mitlestadt and Jokiharju are RFAs this summer and both 1 year from UFA
. Them along with Krebs could possibly be traded this summer or they are signed to multiyear contracts then traded next summer before any control things kick in. Krebs end his ELC and just signed to a bridge.
I think Buffalo trades occur this 2024-2026 summer periods given the young F prospects and then deciding who to keep and who to trade.
right now they have drafted forwards in the top 40
2020 Quinn, Peterka
2021 Rosen, Poltapov
2022 Savoie, Ostlund, Kulich
2023 Benson, Wahlberg
Cozens, Thompson under long contract and Tuch likely resigned in 2026. Then there is Mittlestadt and Krebs.
So some will get moved--14 players for top 9 spots
right now Krebs is playing in a bottom line Center role. the center spine could be Thompson-Cozens-Mittlestadt-Krebs. cozens or Mittlestadt could move to wing moving Krebs up to 3C. Next year the 2022 1st rounders start their ELCs and possibly Ostlund play the 3C role which could make Krebs expendable.
Dont count on Jeannot return. years ago Buffalo traded Gausted+4th to Nashville for their 1st which wound up around 21, he was a 4C/PK type. Nashville resigned him to a 4 yr $3M+per deal and it was considered a bad contract.
Djp
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I dont want Weagar and that contract. he started an 8 yr contract at 29 yrs old(just turned 30)
Coleman has 3 yrs.
thats $11M you are taking on the next 3 +years--and people on here are complaining about Skinners cap space.
I am intrigued by the offer and I have to think about it a bit more, but honestly I don’t think that’s quite enough for Weegar.
Kulich is an A prospect and his shot is incredibly exciting, but Weegar is a true high-end #2. Kulich would need to become a top-6C/first line winger for this to be a fair deal, and I’m not 100% sure he will be yet.
Coleman is also having a great year and I don’t think Krebs or Jokiharju are what we need. Krebs is solid but our middle-6 C positions are filled and we have other 4C options. Jokiharju is solid too but I don’t think he’s valuable enough to convince us to sell Weegar.
Breaking it down to Weegar for Kulich and Krebs is close but I think not quite enough. I know Weegar’s contract isn’t great but he’s a top-pairing dman and that is not easily replaceable.He also just signed long term and is becoming a leader and would be difficult to justify moving. And then Jokihatju and a 2nd for Coleman is solid but he’s also having an insane year, on pace for 30+ goals and 60+ points. Too hard to move that for a 2nd and a #5 dman.
It is very close though and I might change my mind if I watch Kulich more and think he has top-line potential. I just think it would take a big overpayment/ deal we can’t refuse to move Weegar and this is more fair value as opposed to blowing our socks off. If we trade him and then Hanifin walks we’re screwed. We need to retool but him and Anderson are the two D we need to keep imo.
If you replace Weegar with Hanifin (with an extension in place) though I’d do it. We could even add a bottom-6F in return or maybe swap the 2nd for a later pick. I know he’s LHD and Weegar is RHD so Weegar would fit your D better, but we need Weegar too so it’s a very hard sell.
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If you make that trade and re-sign Mitts, you then have 8 Million left to spend for two bottom six forwards, both goalies, your 7th D, and whatever depth forwards you want to carry.
It all but guarantees Levi is at least the backup, someone like Clague probably gets 30+ games on your blueline, you have two ELC rookies or league min contracts on your 4th line and all depth is straight up from Rochester.
Ultimately I think it guarantees one of the big contracts would have to be moved out. So who do you sacrifice?
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