Roster moves prior to season opener (Emmerton clears waivers)

[Heaton]

Fan opinion.

What's your point?

Why don't you call up Dave Lewis' record as NHL coach?
How many coaches had more wins than Dave Lewis in his tenure, eh?
Two straight 48-win seasons in the days of ties.

And he was fired after 2 seasons. But yeah, they're the same.

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

That's because Babcock coaches the Red Wings.

Not because the Red Wings have Babcock as a coach.

It's interesting that you think Holland does so poorly, Babcock does so poorly, and yet the Wings still do well for themselves.

Where, exactly, is the strong link in the organization? You make it sound like they're all weak links, but then you want to appeal to the success of the team too? Is this a testament to the power of Datsyuk and Zetterberg to will entire teams to playoff berths?

 

[Henkka]

Why don't you call up Dave Lewis' record as NHL coach?
How many coaches had more wins than Dave Lewis in his tenure, eh?
Two straight 48-win seasons in the days of ties.

There's also the thing called playoff success. David Lewis just "coached" and was blown away twice with smarter coaches.

Babcock has been at SC finals three times with two different teams in his 10-season career. No current coach can match that either.

 

[RedWingsNow*]

Mursak was great in the playoffs, saying he was their best player shows how much you like to push your agenda

He was. By far. Mursak was like Pavel Datsyuk (the two-way player, but not the stickhandler). Great backchecking. TUrned the puck up ice.
I'd love to see Zone Starts on Mursak.
So many of his shfits were positive shifts..in terms of keeping pressure on and keeping the puck out of your own zone.

Mursak was +15 in 23 regular season games
He was was +12 in 23 regular season games -- Leads the team despite playing 15 games.

+27 in 46 games. That's a pretty astounding number.
His production was solid too -- 15 + 18 = 33 in 36 games.

Good things happened when Mursak was on the ice.

 

[SoupNazi]

He was. By far. Mursak was like Pavel Datsyuk (the two-way player, but not the stickhandler). Great backchecking. TUrned the puck up ice.
I'd love to see Zone Starts on Mursak.
So many of his shfits were positive shifts..in terms of keeping pressure on and keeping the puck out of your own zone.

Mursak was +15 in 23 regular season games
He was was +12 in 23 regular season games -- Leads the team despite playing 15 games.

+27 in 46 games. That's a pretty astounding number.
His production was solid too -- 15 + 18 = 33 in 36 games.

Good things happened when Mursak was on the ice.

Really? Did you really just compare Mursak to Pavel Datsyuk?

 

[Chance on Chance]

He was. By far. Mursak was like Pavel Datsyuk (the two-way player, but not the stickhandler). Great backchecking. TUrned the puck up ice.
I'd love to see Zone Starts on Mursak.
So many of his shfits were positive shifts..in terms of keeping pressure on and keeping the puck out of your own zone.

Mursak was +15 in 23 regular season games
He was was +12 in 23 regular season games -- Leads the team despite playing 15 games.

+27 in 46 games. That's a pretty astounding number.
His production was solid too -- 15 + 18 = 33 in 36 games.

Good things happened when Mursak was on the ice.

So why did he have to go to the KHL, surely he could have gotten a contract with an NHL team with stats like that

 

[hot dog]

Glendening is at worst equivalent to Emmerton. He's better on the penalty kill already and pretty much equally mediocre everywhere else. He outperformed him in the preseason. Emmerton already had his shot and didn't capitalize - what's the downside to playing Glendening over him to start the season? We all know Emmerton isn't a part of the future plans here - Glendening COULD carve a niche as a solid fourth line center. If he's ineffective we have other options - Sheahan immediately comes to mind, but I think Glendening will be on the club sooner because they have higher hopes for Sheahan long term than a fourth line player.

 

[crashman]

It's not the end of the world by any means, but they should have tried waiving Tootoo first.

Emmerton is a serviceable 4th line center, but he is expendable since we have Sheahan and Glendening. I still think Eaves and Tootoo should have been waived first though.

 

[Henkka]

So why did he have to go to the KHL, surly sh could have gotten a contract with an NHL team with stats like that

Pretty funny thing is that Jan Mursak was so superior and scored 17 AHL-playoff points and his linemate Luke Glendening was so mediocre and scored 16 AHL-playoff points.


BTW,

Now Mursak is 2+2=4 and -3 after 8 games in KHL.

 

[RedWingsNow*]

And he was fired after 2 seasons. But yeah, they're the same.

You're the one who brought up "wins" not me.

 

[Chance on Chance]

Also if we do end up playing Glendening we see what he has because I bet next year he would leave us looking for a NHL contract

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

So why did he have to go to the KHL, surely he could have gotten a contract with an NHL team with stats like that

and teams could have had him for FREE when he was on waivers. It's a mystery how every single NHL team's pro scouts missed out on his dazzling Mursakian moves. Only KHL scouts had the right and proper hockey understanding to pick him up. and even then, there wasn't really a bidding war either. Someday they'll see, though. Mursakian will be a real adjective, and you'll rue the day you misjudged the great 'sak.

 

[RedWingsNow*]

There's also the thing called playoff success. David Lewis just "coached" and was blown away twice with smarter coaches.

Babcock has been at SC finals three times with two different teams in his 10-season career. No current coach can match that either.

Babcock has not been to the SC Finals this decade.

You want to talk about history, be my guest.
2010 - 2nd Rd
2011- 2nd Rd
2012- 1st Rd
2013- 2nd Rd

Looks a little like a Dave Lewis line right there.

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

Babcock has not been to the SC Finals this decade.

You want to talk about history, be my guest.
2010 - 2nd Rd
2011- 2nd Rd
2012- 1st Rd
2013- 2nd Rd

Looks a little like a Dave Lewis line right there.

Strap in for this one, but this decade goes back a full 10 years. He's been there.

 

[Bench]

Babcock has not been to the SC Finals this decade

Clever...

But it was only 4 years ago.

 

[RedWingsNow*]

It's interesting that you think Holland does so poorly, Babcock does so poorly, and yet the Wings still do well for themselves.

Where, exactly, is the strong link in the organization? You make it sound like they're all weak links, but then you want to appeal to the success of the team too? Is this a testament to the power of Datsyuk and Zetterberg to will entire teams to playoff berths?

Datsyuk + Zetterberg.

That's the Detroit Red Wings foundation. Would be stronger if the foundation was Datsyuk + Zetterberg + Hossa. But we missed that.

In the next 2-3 years, Datsyuk is going to stop being all world and the Wings are going to be a team that goes from losing in round 1-2 to a team that doesn't make the playoffs.

By then, Babcock may be coaching at UofM

 

[Bench]

Hossa. But we missed that.

Are you going to bring that up every time?

 

[newfy]

Pretty funny thing is that Jan Mursak was so superior and scored 17 AHL-playoff points and his linemate Luke Glendening was so mediocre and scored 16 AHL-playoff points.


BTW,

Now Mursak is 2+2=4 and -3 after 8 games in KHL.

Funny how that gets looked over though right? Not to mention Glendening was playing his big minutes in more defensive situations with less offensive linemates and plays a more physical game.

The Datsyuk of that team could only manage 1 more point with better linemates then some mediocre player who doesnt even deserve a shot in the NHL over Emmerton.

 

[SoupNazi]

Datsyuk + Zetterberg.

That's the Detroit Red Wings foundation. Would be stronger if the foundation was Datsyuk + Zetterberg + Hossa. But we missed that.

In the next 2-3 years, Datsyuk is going to stop being all world and the Wings are going to be a team that goes from losing in round 1-2 to a team that doesn't make the playoffs.

By then, Babcock may be coaching at UofM

How do you know any of this? It sounds like nothing but a doomsday scare scenario that you're trying to use to further your argument that Babcock and Holland both suck.

 

[RedWingsNow*]

Clever...

But it was only 4 years ago.

And 5 seasons ago.

 

[rx7dryver]

Kenny H will trade a first round pick to the team that claims Emmerton in a few years. Book it.

 

[RedWingsNow*]

Are you going to bring that up every time?

Every time what?

 

[RedWingsNow*]

Funny how that gets looked over though right? Not to mention Glendening was playing his big minutes in more defensive situations with less offensive linemates and plays a more physical game.

The Datsyuk of that team could only manage 1 more point with better linemates then some mediocre player who doesnt even deserve a shot in the NHL over Emmerton.

There's more to hockey than scoring.
There's more to Datsyuk than scoring.

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

There's more to hockey than scoring.
There's more to Datsyuk than scoring.

ah, but there's more to Luke Glendening than scoring too.

 

[KJoe88]

Emmerton was bad. Besides a couple goals here and there, he seemed disinterested and useless. That's my opinion anyways.

Glendening at worst is like Emmerton, but a better pk'r and a hard worker. Him and Miller are going to be good on the pk. The whole mediocre thing is void; every fourth line center is a ginder who is good at pk'ing for the most part.

Besides, isn't Glendening just speculation among us? Maybe Sheahan will get the job...