Roster Building XXI: It Gon' Go Down.

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Source for that:

https://x.com/i/web/status/1805269802375581937

I wonder if the Canes quickly get on the phone for John Marino if Pesce signs in New Jersey. That seems like one of the more obvious buy-low candidates at RHD out there, and the term is also friendly for our run.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Yeah, while their kids are developing, Pesce would be a good add for them short term (if healthy).

I think we fans (myself included) worry too much about how bad a contract will be in the latter years of a long term deal. The Canes don't like to sign those deals, but many other teams seem to find ways to get out from under it long term, whether it's using picks to get rid of/trade it, retention, sending it to a cap floor team, buying it out, LTIR, etc..

People point to Vlasic's deal, but SJ hasn't been competitive for the last 4-5 seasons and likely won't be for the next 2 season's he's under contract, so they are just riding it out, but I'm confident that they would have found a way to get rid of him had they been competing for a cup in recent years.

 

[A Star is Burns]

I've always been more worried that Pesce may fall off very early in the deal with his mileage. Dan Girardi comes to mind.

 

[TheBigLetowski]

Closer to home? I thought folks from NY/NJ/PA/MA now call NC home.

Very good!

 

[Unsustainable]

Closer to home? I thought folks from NY/NJ/PA/MA now call NC home.

And still show up to Canes games wearing Rangers, Islanders, Devils, Sabres, Flyers stuff when they are playing them, and swap back the following week.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Main board falling for clickbait again, I see. If the Preds and Canes are talking about a Necas trade, it's for Askarov or Evangelista, not Saros lmao

 

[Svechhammer]

Oof Pesce with NJ would be bad news for us. He's the exact kind of player they need, a guy who is really good at keeping the puck away from the net. They get him, and their defense starts to look a hell of a lot more complete than it has, very much at the detriment to our own goals.

 

[Borsig]

I have a really bad feeling about this year. NJ on the rise with a lot of talent while we fall apart.

That whole sharks thing looks a lot more realistic than people think.

We trade what little offense we have for more and more defense. Losing Skjei, Pesce, Necas, KK not panning out, TT likely gone..... An aging unreliable, not playoff worthy Andersen.... Big oof.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

That defense will be gooooood

So long as the duct tape holds

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

the same sky is falling news we heard when Hamilton left.

getting into long contracts for likely declining talents isnt good business. We can go get a DeMelo and be just fine on defense while only committing to 3-4 years at less AAV.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

the same sky is falling news we heard when Hamilton left.

getting into long contracts for likely declining talents isnt good business. We can go get a DeMelo and be just fine on defense while only committing to 3-4 years at less AAV.

Or, alternatively, they can trade for John Marino, who's signed to a decent cap hit for 3 more seasons.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Or, alternatively, they can trade for John Marino who's signed to a decent cap hit for 3 more seasons.

we have our john marino with Chatty. we need a demelo type more. dude isnt afraid to bump bodies and get physical.

add in Marino would make our goalie problems worse

https://x.com/i/web/status/1805318492721496152

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

we have our john marino with Chatty. we need a demelo type more. dude isnt afraid to bump bodies and get physical.

add in Marino would make our goalie problems worse

https://x.com/i/web/status/1805318492721496152

Was that about Marino or was that about NJ's goaltending being dogshit? Marino had one of the lowest OISV's in the league. He was also excellent defensively the season before, so some of these numbers may be an aberration.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Was that about Marino or was that about NJ's goaltending being dogshit?

Its about allowing HD shots off of rush chances. That is goalie agnostic and a focus on the defender’s ability to defend rush chances

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Its about allowing HD shots off of rush chances. That is goalie agnostic and a focus on the defender’s ability to defend rush chances

Do you have DeMelo's data on this metric?

 

[bleedgreen]

well some get to find out if Pesce really has lost it.

i would still be he ends up in Nashville though.

but hey NJ overpaid for the last Hurricanes righty and it hasnt worked out. why not double down.

I think they’d disagree with you.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Do you have DeMelo's data on this metric?

i dont pay for the site but I see 5 Winnipeg icons in the goalie's best friend box meaning they allow the least amount of passes and HD shots off of rush attempts. based on Demelo's play its a good bet he is one of those 5.

I think they’d disagree with you.

seeing how there are people calling to trade Hamilton, i dont think that could be true or false. its still an overpay based on what has been produced on the ice so far.

 

[DaveG]

Main board falling for clickbait again, I see. If the Preds and Canes are talking about a Necas trade, it's for Askarov or Evangelista, not Saros lmao

Not even then. Just not good trade partners unless it's Necas+ for Forsberg

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Not even then. Just not good trade partners unless it's Necas+ for Forsberg

I'd be open to Evangelista, personally. Nashville would need to add a bit, but he'd be a very valuable piece as a guy who we know for sure is an NHL player, is on an ELC, and projects as a top-6er. That would open up space to bring back some of our UFAs.

 

[moses malone 12]

I've always been more worried that Pesce may fall off very early in the deal with his mileage. Dan Girardi comes to mind.

you are not alone with that. Pesce looked slower last season and unfortunately he has a troubling injury history.

this is setting up to a be wild offseason given the number of FA's. good news is Canes have around $22M of availability, not counting Chatfield deal. they have plenty of room for 1-2 big contracts so there should be a plan in the event they lose Guentzel, pesce, skjei and TT to FA and Necas via trade. GMs should not care about handing out long term deals if the owner is willing since they(GM) will likely be gone by the time the contract(s) runs out. to me, if Canes behave like penny pinchers this offseason then it's on Dundon. I have some concerns that his ego will derail the team's success at some point but track record so far has been exceptional.

we'll see.

 

[User13452]

6x5.5 for Pesce is what’s out there which I’m surprised he isn’t getting over 6 and also surprised canes wouldn’t match it

 

[Svechhammer]

I'd be open to Evangelista

Talk about someone who was born to play on Slavin's team

 

[Chrispy]

you are not alone with that. Pesce looked slower last season and unfortunately he has a troubling injury history.

this is setting up to a be wild offseason given the number of FA's. good news is Canes have around $22M of availability, not counting Chatfield deal. they have plenty of room for 1-2 big contracts so there should be a plan in the event they lose Guentzel, pesce, skjei and TT to FA and Necas via trade. GMs should not care about handing out long term deals if the owner is willing since they(GM) will likely be gone by the time the contract(s) runs out. to me, if Canes behave like penny pinchers this offseason then it's on Dundon. I have some concerns that his ego will derail the team's success at some point but track record so far has been exceptional.

we'll see.

Dundon will do that because Dundon has bought into Tulsky's analysis showing mid-30s players drop off precipitously and you shouldn't pay UFA prices for those mid-30s years.

So you can say it's on Dundon and Tulsky should be happy to sign that contract because he's unlikely to be there, but that goes against everything Tulsky has been promoting for years and against what Dundon has been convinced of by Tulsky.

If Dundon wants to pay long-term UFA deals, he should have hired a different GM.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

6x5.5 for Pesce is what’s out there which I’m surprised he isn’t getting over 6 and also surprised canes wouldn’t match it

That's AFP's projection. Evolving Hockey projects 6x6.5M.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

6x5.5 for Pesce is what’s out there which I’m surprised he isn’t getting over 6 and also surprised canes wouldn’t match it

6 years is way too long for a guy that's already starting to show signs of slowing down. It is a cheap contract though, so at least it won't be an albatross.