Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVIII:

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And keeping in mind that some of this will be tied into how the Rangers approach balancing salaries and the roster as well.

Echoing what you said, it's not about trading ADA for the sake of trading him. The question was who is "most likely" to be traded if indeed we end up with a log jam at RD. And with ADA as one of the two most likely candidates, the question then becomes what type of deal the Rangers might be looking at, more or less. Theodore is a name that multiple people have suggested, and I think it's definitely in the neighborhood.

I'm reiterating all of this to head-off people getting very worked up about something that is more of a point of illustration than an actual rumor.

+1 - let's see if the latest message of reiteration takes hold
 
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I'm expecting Gorton to go out and sign Joel Edmundson as a UFA to bring a stabilizing force to the LD and for both Staal and Smith to be gone. Edmundson played with McIlrath in Moose Jaw and I'm sure the scouts have watched him for years. He plays a rougher style, probably suited to a #5 role and PKer. Adds some size to the blue line and he'll be 27 to start next season so a 2-3 year deal wouldn't be signing him into his mid-30's. Continue grooming Lindgren. Let Hajek, Rykov, Reunanen, Miller battle for that other LD spot.

If another young player pushes by the following season Edmundson shouldn't be impossible to move, or they move a guy like Hajek/Rykov in a package for an upgrade elsewhere.
 
Ok so the Thunder Bay Mafia are probably going to throw a fit over this but...

David Quinn should be arrested for saddling DeAngelo with Staal. Would the margins with and with out him shrink if they had more minutes apart? Maybe, but hes hurting DeAngelo's (and really anyone else who he plays with) to do ANYTHING out there because when Staal plays, it's almost as if you're playing 4 on 5.
 

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If Theodore can be a shutdown guy, I'd be inclined in a Lundkvist package. I dont know about straight up
 
If Theodore can be a shutdown guy, I'd be inclined in a Lundkvist package. I dont know about straight up

just to note, theodore doesn't kill penalties this year...so I think he's a top pair guy not sure if a shutdown role is ideal without knowing more about his overall play.
 
I'm expecting Gorton to go out and sign Joel Edmundson as a UFA to bring a stabilizing force to the LD and for both Staal and Smith to be gone. Edmundson played with McIlrath in Moose Jaw and I'm sure the scouts have watched him for years. He plays a rougher style, probably suited to a #5 role and PKer. Adds some size to the blue line and he'll be 27 to start next season so a 2-3 year deal wouldn't be signing him into his mid-30's. Continue grooming Lindgren. Let Hajek, Rykov, Reunanen, Miller battle for that other LD spot.

If another young player pushes by the following season Edmundson shouldn't be impossible to move, or they move a guy like Hajek/Rykov in a package for an upgrade elsewhere.

I think its complete fantasy to think that both staal and smith will be gone lol. we aren't that lucky
 
Edmundson would be a great guy to have as a bottom pair LHD.

The problem is he is likely going to get the money and term worthy of a top 4 guy. They don't need an all star at that position, I'd settle for league average-ish which honestly can be found in the bargain bin if you look hard enough.
 
Trading Skjei for a first and then trading ADA for a comparable LD seems a bit of an odd management strategy, unless the acquired LD is a significant upgrade from Skjei.
 
If Theodore can be a shutdown guy, I'd be inclined in a Lundkvist package. I dont know about straight up
You are not getting Theodore unless you pony up something very big. And the Knights are not going to want just futures, for the same way that Gorton is not going to want just futures. From a team needs and a realistic return profile, DeAngelo for Theodore would be a realistic trade proposal.
 
I'm expecting Gorton to go out and sign Joel Edmundson as a UFA to bring a stabilizing force to the LD and for both Staal and Smith to be gone. Edmundson played with McIlrath in Moose Jaw and I'm sure the scouts have watched him for years. He plays a rougher style, probably suited to a #5 role and PKer. Adds some size to the blue line and he'll be 27 to start next season so a 2-3 year deal wouldn't be signing him into his mid-30's. Continue grooming Lindgren. Let Hajek, Rykov, Reunanen, Miller battle for that other LD spot.

If another young player pushes by the following season Edmundson shouldn't be impossible to move, or they move a guy like Hajek/Rykov in a package for an upgrade elsewhere.

I think someone like that could very well be a player they take a long look at.

While I think there's a desire to have a guy who more or less sets the table for the LDs to fall in line behind him, at some point you can't will that into existence if it isn't an option right now.

I suspect as a Plan B, the Rangers could have an interest in guys who serve as transition pieces. In other words, a player who bridges the gap as some young talents battle for a roster spot sooner (Robertson, Hajek) and guys who may be a year or more out from battling for a spot (Miller, Jones, etc.).
 
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Trading Skjei for a first and then trading ADA for a comparable LD seems a bit of an odd management strategy, unless the acquired LD is a significant upgrade from Skjei.

Well I think the assumption would be if you're taking the proposed approach, you're getting someone whose impact you feel is closer to ADA's than it is Skjei's.

Especially if you think Lundkvist is coming up sooner rather than later, and you're using the Skjei cap space (along with assets) to go out and upgrade other areas.
 
Edmundson would be a great guy to have as a bottom pair LHD.

The problem is he is likely going to get the money and term worthy of a top 4 guy. They don't need an all star at that position, I'd settle for league average-ish which honestly can be found in the bargain bin if you look hard enough.

I think at his age (barely old enough to qualify as a UFA) I think term would definitely be an issue. He's gonna want a longer deal, so he'd only make sense if you feel that he fits the long term plans. If you are looking at him as a stop gap, then you probably need to look at someone older that might sign for 1-2 years instead.
 
I think at his age (barely old enough to qualify as a UFA) I think term would definitely be an issue. He's gonna want a longer deal, so he'd only make sense if you feel that he fits the long term plans. If you are looking at him as a stop gap, then you probably need to look at someone older that might sign for 1-2 years instead.

I wouldn't have a problem giving him 4 years if the money makes sense.

Hes a good player.
 
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How's Zadarov as a defender? Is he polished? I love his edge but interested to watch him tonight.

COL is LHD heavy. With Girard, Graves, Cole and eventually Byram, he may be available.
 
Edmundson would be a great guy to have as a bottom pair LHD.

The problem is he is likely going to get the money and term worthy of a top 4 guy. They don't need an all star at that position, I'd settle for league average-ish which honestly can be found in the bargain bin if you look hard enough.
@Blue Blooded has mentioned Nemeth a couple times. Think he could be a great compliment to an ADA type. He’ll probably be cheaper than Edmundson, too.
 
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How's Zadarov as a defender? Is he polished? I love his edge but interested to watch him tonight.

COL is LHD heavy. With Girard, Graves, Cole and eventually Byram, he may be available.
To me, he seems like a guy getting by on his draft position. Kinda reminds me of Bogosian if he weren’t so injury prone.
 
Theodore isn't nearly as dynamic as DeAngelo and this comparison also shows why using percentiles for player comparisons is ridiculous and if you want to make a uniform scale standard scores will show you a much more accurate picture.

PlayerP/60G/60A1/60A2/60
DeAngelo1.770.530.590.65
Theodore1.010.430.10.48
Difference75.25%23.26%490.00%35.42%
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Theodore is in the 92nd percentile for goals and DeAngelo in the 94th, a minuscule diefference right? Not at all, DeAngelo has scored at a 23% higher rate.

Vegas better be adding Glass to the deal if we are getting Theodore in return for DeAngelo. Funny how you have people drooling over Makar's impact in Calder/Fox discussions when DeAngelo is as good/dynamic offensively while having a more well rounded game (and being several years older).
Maybe they add Tuch instead of glass as many were pining for a month ago.
 
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