Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVIII:

[Miamipuck]

If Fox and TDA run the point on the PP, that would be the closest we will come to seeing Zubov and Leetch in our lifetime.

Good lord I hope that doesn't mean a trade like TDA for Phil Kessel and Hjalmarsson, even though Fox is more of the Zubov clone.

I am ready for the immediate ban for bringing that up.................

 

[Miamipuck]

lol

I would like to know if this is a good thing or a bad thing. Polls like this can be brought up both ways.......exhibit A Dan Girardi.
Some people claim he sucks and some claim he was awesome, the latter bring up what players said about him. Just saying...........

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I am not sure what Rangers scouts are stating that Lundkvist is ready to compete for an NHL spot.

And even if he is, the chances that he can tilt the ice offensively the way DeAngelo can, is slim. So why would you not allocate some of the money to him?

This board complains for decades that there is no on here to run the PP well or be such a threat from the back end, then you find someone and first thing you want to do is trade him. Depending on how talks go with him, it is fairly likely that Lundqvist is the one that gets moved.

Vince wrote an article a couple weeks ago talking to the Rangers longest tenured Euro scout about Lundkvist. The guy thinks he can push for an NHL spot as soon as this season

That will all work itself out in time, with an AHL stint likely whenever Lundkvist does sign. But the feeling is that he’s proven himself in the SHL and is ready to take the next step.

“He is on the right track (as) his game gains complexity,” Gajdosik said. “I am sure he will be pushing hard for the spot in the New York Rangers’ lineup in the next season. He is ready to fight for the spot with the big team.”

Lundkvist had the best U20 season in terms of points for a defenseman in SHL history this past year.

He'll be ready soon enough, whether or not the team is ready for him. They'll have to make some decisions

And as I've told you too many times to count at this point, I don't want to trade Tony. I just don't think him being here long term is a given

 

[RGY]

This board treats Nils Lundkvist like he's Rasmus Dahlin as a prospect.

In what way? I mean this is quite an exaggeration just because Lundkvist is indeed a great prospect and it has created hope around here. RHD with a ton of great attributes to his game. Has continued to build his resumè.

Will he be Dahlin? Maybe not, but that doesnt reduce his prospect status and potential.

 

[Fitzy]

This board treats Nils Lundkvist like he's Rasmus Dahlin as a prospect.

Kid's breaking records in the 3rd best league in the world, I don't think we're overrating him.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

lol

Carey price is going to get into the hall based on this mythical status he's created for himself based off the one year he won every award. He's got 3 playoff series wins to his nam . I'd struggle to put him in the top 10 of goaltenders right now let alone best.

 

[SA16]

Kid's breaking records in the 3rd best league in the world, I don't think we're overrating him.

Sure. Could have said the same thing about Tim Erixon and Gustav Forsling. The other two guys up there were obviously in a different class for years (Hedman/Dahlin) as that is why they went 2nd and 1st. There's a huge disparity between how he's seen on a Rangers forum (extremely elite prospect that makes someone like DeAngelo expendable) and around the league (where I've mostly seem him ranked in the 25-35 range overall which is, of course, very good).

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Sure. Could have said the same thing about Tim Erixon and Gustav Forsling. The other two guys up there were obviously in a different class for years (Hedman/Dahlin) as that is why they went 2nd and 1st. There's a huge disparity between how he's seen on a Rangers forum (extremely elite prospect that makes someone like DeAngelo expendable) and around the league (where I've mostly seem him ranked in the 25-35 range overall which is, of course, very good).

The issue here is you seem to be misrepresenting the point.

No one is sitting here saying "f*** it, trade Tony because they have Lundkvist". It's obvious to anyone paying attention what Tony brings to the table is special, and not easily replaceable. That doesn't dilute the other factors around it though.

Trouba is here to stay, whether or not people like it. Fox is exempt from expansion and on an ELC contract for another 2 years. Tony needs a new contract now.

Maybe things work themselves out and for the majority of this decade the right side is Fox/Tony/Trouba. But anyone brushing off that it's possible one of these guys are moved is silly.

 

[QJL]

And Paul Coffey assisted on plenty of Wayne Gretzky's goals. They still count and is performance numbers did not receive a haircut as a result.

I was simply arguing that DeAngelo's performance is not remotely close to Karlsson' top seasons, even feeding two of the top point producers in the league.

 

[dshea19]

I don't think there needs to be any debate right now. Sign Tony to as reasonable a contract as possible. Let Nils play in the AHL. If Nils is blowing the doors off the AHL, there will be a chance for him to play some NHL games when an inevitable injury happens. If he proves himself ready for the NHL, then you start to have a conflict. Until he proves ready, everything is up in the air. If Fox can produce close to ADA and Nils is better defensively than ADA while providing reasonable offense, you have your answer. I assume the Rangers are going to want to see if other players force them to make a choice. No need to make that choice now.

 

[Fitzy]

Lets Nils tear up the AHL for a half season before we feel forced to make a tough decision.

Even if he is borderline ready, I don't think it would hurt to give him an ice adjustment period at a slower speed of play.

 

[NYRangers16]

All this TDA talk makes me wish we could move Trouba instead for an equal LD. If we could do that, it solves the right side glut/salary concerns and it gives us two great D lines. Staal or Smith can handle 3 LD for next year (and will have to, realistically anyway).

 

[McRanger]

This board treats Nils Lundkvist like he's Rasmus Dahlin as a prospect.

This board treats Nils Lundkvist like he’s Adam Fox as a prospect.

 

[SA16]

The issue here is you seem to be misrepresenting the point.

No one is sitting here saying "f*** it, trade Tony because they have Lundkvist". It's obvious to anyone paying attention what Tony brings to the table is special, and not easily replaceable. That doesn't dilute the other factors around it though.

Trouba is here to stay, whether or not people like it. Fox is exempt from expansion and on an ELC contract for another 2 years. Tony needs a new contract now.

Maybe things work themselves out and for the majority of this decade the right side is Fox/Tony/Trouba. But anyone brushing off that it's possible one of these guys are moved is silly.

There is very little reason not to go long term on DeAngelo in general due to the NHL rule that doesn't allow NTC to kick in before UFA years. Even if they gave him an 8 year deal right now he could not get a NTC until year 3 so if by that time Lundkvist shows he is an asset and we need to move from strength to address a weakness he can still be traded prior to 7/1/22. We're not in a situation where we desperately need to save money for next year and, the UFA class is awful anyway, and it's not exactly like it's going to be a 5M/year difference between a 2 and 8 year deal.

I mean the very obvious answer is to use that same scam of a rule and trade Trouba but for some reason that is completely off the table with the only real reasoning being "we just traded for him." as I do not buy the "he takes all the tough matchups and makes things easier for other players" argument because while true he's not the only player in the league who can do such a thing and we can just acquire another player who does that for far cheaper who does not provide offense.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Lets Nils tear up the AHL for a half season before we feel forced to make a tough decision.

Even if he is borderline ready, I don't think it would hurt to give him an ice adjustment period at a slower speed of play.

That's his own expectation as well. He will start in Hartford

 

[NYSPORTS]

This board treats Nils Lundkvist like he’s Adam Fox as a prospect.

he might be. He’s two years younger than Fox physically. He moves the biscuit like him.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

There is very little reason not to go long term on DeAngelo in general due to the NHL rule that doesn't allow NTC to kick in before UFA years. Even if they gave him an 8 year deal right now he could not get a NTC until year 3 so if by that time Lundkvist shows he is an asset and we need to move from strength to address a weakness he can still be traded prior to 7/1/22. We're not in a situation where we desperately need to save money for next year and, the UFA class is awful anyway, and it's not exactly like it's going to be a 5M/year difference between a 2 and 8 year deal.

I mean the very obvious answer is to use that same scam of a rule and trade Trouba but for some reason that is completely off the table with the only real reasoning being "we just traded for him." as I do not buy the "he takes all the tough matchups and makes things easier for other players" argument because while true he's not the only player in the league who can do such a thing and we can just acquire another player who does that for far cheaper who does not provide offense.

In the last months leading up to the "suspension", weren't Fox and Lindgren getting more and more of those "top line" assignments?

 

[Deleted member 23124]

Dupe

 

[Barnaby]

two year bridge is like the worst possible move it’ll make his contract expire at the same time as kakko/fox/shesterkin ELC all expire and zibanejads deal expires

Agreed. Lock him up long term or shop him.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

There is very little reason not to go long term on DeAngelo in general due to the NHL rule that doesn't allow NTC to kick in before UFA years. Even if they gave him an 8 year deal right now he could not get a NTC until year 3 so if by that time Lundkvist shows he is an asset and we need to move from strength to address a weakness he can still be traded prior to 7/1/22. We're not in a situation where we desperately need to save money for next year and, the UFA class is awful anyway, and it's not exactly like it's going to be a 5M/year difference between a 2 and 8 year deal.

I mean the very obvious answer is to use that same scam of a rule and trade Trouba but for some reason that is completely off the table with the only real reasoning being "we just traded for him." as I do not buy the "he takes all the tough matchups and makes things easier for other players" argument because while true he's not the only player in the league who can do such a thing and we can just acquire another player who does that for far cheaper who does not provide offense.

In an ideal situation, I agree that's the best path forward. Sign him to a long term deal and then if it comes down to it, trade him if the need arises.

And Trouba's NMC kicks in during the summer, and I can't imagine they trade him before. Which is why I don't consider that as an option

 

[McRanger]

he might be. He’s two years younger than Fox physically. He moves the biscuit like him.

Yeah that’s my point. You don’t need to be a 1st overall pick or some god level prospect for fans to be excited or for management to make their development a priority.

 

[Blue Blooded]

In the last months leading up to the "suspension", weren't Fox and Lindgren getting more and more of those "top line" assignments?

They did, they were also the pairing on the ice for the opening faceoff for the last ~10 games where that had been Trouba's pairing all year before that.

Though the player who had his role increased the most at the end of the year was actually DeAngelo who got the most minutes of any Ranger defenceman at the end of the season.

 

[Fitzy]

Most defensemen play pretty close to the same minutes at ES, its the special teams involvement that drives much of the difference.

Not sure how much that tells us about who the matchups are. Usually up a goal late it was Staal and Trouba on the ice.

 

[egelband]

I don't think there needs to be any debate right now. Sign Tony to as reasonable a contract as possible. Let Nils play in the AHL. If Nils is blowing the doors off the AHL, there will be a chance for him to play some NHL games when an inevitable injury happens. If he proves himself ready for the NHL, then you start to have a conflict. Until he proves ready, everything is up in the air. If Fox can produce close to ADA and Nils is better defensively than ADA while providing reasonable offense, you have your answer. I assume the Rangers are going to want to see if other players force them to make a choice. No need to make that choice now.

Yes. Let it play out. No need to get ahead of things. Que sera sera.

 

[aufheben]

Any benefit Tony has from matchups and assignments is negated by playing with Staal.