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I'd deal Robertson for Copp with an extension. I would hate dealing him for a rental. I still think he has a very good chance of being a 2nd pairing defenseman in one or two years and is great insurance to have if the Rangers decide to move on from Lindgren at the end of his deal. Marc Staal that can skate. That's Robertson.
 
I was never on the Miller train unless he was gifted to us - but I feel its inevitable Drury and co. will be buyers at the deadline so the bolded is the way to go. They need to deepen the team with smart moves that can work beyond this playoff run.

I'd really like for them to intend to extend whoever they bring in, which means they have the makeup to be a playoff gamer and someone they want to roll with going forward.

Adding Blais back into mix with say a Copp or Rakell makes this team infinitely deeper considering the 2 of them are massive upgrades over McKegg and Gauthier.

However, lets take a deeper look into what it would take to sign these guys:

Rakell is 28 and makes 3.7 headed to UFA.

He will probably be looking for 5+ on the open market. Do you want to tie up that much cap for a few years in a winger when you are supposed to have Kakko and Laf earning and playing those minutes? Probably not, unless you plan to play him on the 3rd line or middle taking Strome's spot. I dont know Rakell's well enough to make that signing. I do like that he's a RH forward.

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Copp is 27, making 3.6 headed to UFA.

Similar player output, with a little lower market value. Same issue as Rakell. Can they take over the 2nd line pivot position if Strome is sent packing? Again, I dont know enough about the player to make that decision. Both of these moves would strengthen the team now, but im not sure there is worth resigning them at market value pricing.

As mentioned it would be much better finding a younger, cheaper Centerman that can grow into his role and form chemistry with Kakko and Laf. I just dont know where you are getting that player and for a realistic price that doesnt wipe out the asset cupboard.

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Lehkonen is 26, making 2.3 headed for RFA status.

To me this is the type of add you want because he's cost controlled, younger and doesn't block Laf & Kakko going forward. His defensive prowess fits into the system well and his offense is enough to be an upgrade over the current bottom six options you want to cycle out of the lineup. I doubt he would be extended for his market value. Closer to 3 and for a term you can live with.

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Thank you for posting, very insightful
 
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or if Kravtsov wasn't a meathead Diva... Gotta stop blaming anyone but Kravtsov for Kravtsov's actions. That's just ridiculous. I don't care what level anyone believes Drury mishandled it, the only person who decided to break his contract and run when he didn't get his way was Kravtsov.

Not sure blaming only Kravtsov is any better than suggesting it's only Drury who's to blame. This isn't an either/or situation. Kravtsov didn't respond the right way but the situation was created by Drury with his actions leading up to that point. I expect a GM to be better.
 
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Will the KHL finish their season? Putin is invading the Ukraine. The Champions League final is scheduled for May 28 in Saint Petersburg, Russia. UEFA is moving that game to another country. Elliott Friedman reported some teams believe the Rangers are trying to convince Kravtsov to play again for them. A few weeks ago, Arthur Staple reported the Rangers have had no contact with Kravtsov's agent. Mollie Walker wrote the same thing yesterday. No contact as of last month.

Today, Mollie wrote the chances of Kravstov returning to the Rangers room are slim to none. New York Post Sports + article.

The chances of Kravtsov returning to the Rangers — or the Wolf Pack — are slim to none. The Rangers have a locker room dynamic that has played a big part in their success this season, and the last thing Drury would want to do is mess with it. Kravtsov likely will remain in Russia until a trade can be facilitated, whether it’s before the deadline or in the offseason.

The KHL is conducting their playoffs with a the country invading another country. Really?
 
Anyway, save yourselves the mental work on justifying what Jones was sent down. The Rangers think Nemeth is a better player.

I'm sorry I'm the one who had to tell you that, but at least I'm not AV.

Sort of agree. There's a lot of work being done by the concept of 'better' here.

Coaches are conservative with a small 'c' , they're risk averse.

Nemeth kills penalties, Jones is super young and still has some things to learn in the AHL.
 
This is such an unreasonable position.

It isn't.

They need young, long term forwards, especially centers, more than anything else. They need that more than they need to increase their Cup odds from 1% to 4%. They need it more than increasing their Cup odds from 15% to 18%. Or whatever it could be expressed as mathematically.

Buying at the deadline is almost always bad, losing value. Institutionally at the NHL, it's an inefficiency that GMs have not caught on to because it's a good old boys club that still pretends they are in the 1980s far too much. The vast majority of big buys end up as busts, and the vast majority of Cup winners the past few years haven't made any large buys, with the exception being the Lightning who were correcting a roster imbalance with grit, but we already did that in our past offseason by adding Blais, Goodrow, Reaves and Hunt. At this point what we need is long term skill, not deadline playoff grit.

The Rangers are too young, lack too much playoff experience, and have too many future holes.

Renting is a terrible idea for them at almost any circumstance.

Because we won't due the truly smart thing and double down for the future by taking advantage of other team's foolish deadline splurge instincts, at the very least any renting we do should merely be at the expense of lesser picks and prospects (ie, nothing at Matthew Robertson's level or above, no firsts, even reluctant to part with seconds).

The teams where it makes sense to rent is the teams who are nearing the end of their road and the mid-level prospects they are parting with can't save them from impending rebuilds. A team like the Penguins might as well empty the cupboard to supplement Crosby, Malkin and Letang, because when those guys are done, it's rebuild time. A Matthew Robertson-like player isn't saving them.

The Rangers are a completely different situation. They are not established and they still need to find probably 2 long term centers and another long term winger if Kravtsov isn't one of them.

They don't even know what roles certain players will end up having long term. They don't even truly know what they are gonna need from year to year or what they are gonna look like from year to year.

Selling off valuable assets, they might not even know that they need, is a horrible idea.

If the Rangers run through their competition leading up to the trade deadline, they'll be right around the best record in the NHL.

That's more or less irrelevant.

This team isn't beating four straight grizzled teams who are all better than the Rangers at 5 v 5 on the strength of their goaltending.

They've got the opportunity to add talent to this group that they really won't have going forward with the cap constraints.

People keep citing this opportunity to suck up contracts without ever proving it's a wise thing.

Yeah, they can take on salary. Why do I want to do it? "Because we can't do it again," isn't an explanation. If I jump off a 10 story building I won't be able to do that again either, that's not an argument for doing it.

Oh yeah, moving Matthew Robertson for Richard Rackell. We won't be able to afford a Rackell-like addition next deadline. And? Who cares? Tell me again why I want a player like that. He's not moving the needle for this team. That's a delusion.

These guys are available at the deadline usually because they are not core pieces. They are spares who aren't worth building around. That's why teams are making them available.

This team still needs to be in the market for forwards to build around. Once it has all those in hand, then it can start deducing what it has that it doesn't need that it can spend on throw aways. Truly extra assets should be spent on additions that are shots in the dark which may or may not have any impact.

We aren't at that spot. When we burn our assets, we are burning assets we still desperately need.

If our top guys are healthy and rolling, sitting back and watching our competition improve around us would be a terrible decision.

No, it wouldn't. We're not winning this year.

Accept it and make the moves that will allow you to win in a year that you'll have a chance, instead of squandering assets to make yourself feel good by winning an extra round.

Take your shot while you have it. People thinking Lundkvist and a late first round pick will bring back a sure fire franchise changing young center are not being realistic. Even if every move works out in your 3-5 year plan, 1 injury tears the whole thing down. And for what?

History tells you again and again that a Lundkvist-level prospect and a first round pick can bring you back a core long term piece, and yes, perhaps even a center. It will be a player with an asterisk, but so what? It can and does happen so your assertion is false as it's been proven many, many, many times that Lundkvist and a first would be a tremendous package.

Your philosophy about buying is misguided. You have to treat deadline purchases as unlikely to put you over the top. You have to be ok with the loss of the asset and walking away still Cupless.

That isn't where the Rangers are at. They cannot afford to burn assets they still need to turn this forward core into a group of contenders, which it currently isn't.
 
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Hunt back with Panarin and Strome- to be honest this is one of the strangest obsessions- it hasn't worked once yet.
 
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What ever happened to Rakell? how did he go from 30 goal scorer to mid-high teens? Is it in sync with Getzlaf's decline?
 
Hunt back with Panarin and Strome- to be honest this is one of the strangest obsessions- it hasn't worked once yet.
it's brain dead. I don't know why he doesn't let Chytil just play there. Yes, the line sucks defensively. They are a liability. Goodrow or Hunt will not make a difference defensively.
 
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Not sure blaming only Kravtsov is any better than suggesting it's only Drury who's to blame. This isn't an either/or situation. Kravtsov didn't respond the right way but the situation was created by Drury with his actions leading up to that point. I expect a GM to be better.

It's Kravtsov's fault. Stop justifying things. The GM is allowed to call up/send down whoever he wants. That's his job. He does not need to cater his decision based on if a player will like them or not. If Kravtsov was promised something by Bobrov/JD/Gorton and they didn't deliver well he should be smart enough to understand that the team changed President/GM/Leadership and those things may no longer apply. Clearly Drury did not promise him that ahead of camp. And if he did promise him that, and Kravtsov loafed in camp and didn't bother to try because he knew he was "guaranteed" a spot that's also on Kravtsov. It was assumed, by him and the media, since he was on the team to end last year. His play didn't deserve making the team so he didn't make the team.
 
At least Barron is getting another look, or at least I hope...

Kreider Zibs Laffy
Panarin Strome Hunt
Chytil Barron Gauthier
Rooney Goodrow Reaves

3rd line will get benched in the 3rd
 
Will the KHL finish their season? Putin is invading the Ukraine. The Champions League final is scheduled for May 28 in Saint Petersburg, Russia. UEFA is moving that game to another country. Elliott Friedman reported some teams believe the Rangers are trying to convince Kravtsov to play again for them. A few weeks ago, Arthur Staple reported the Rangers have had no contact with Kravtsov's agent. Mollie Walker wrote the same thing yesterday. No contact as of last month.

Today, Mollie wrote the chances of Kravstov returning to the Rangers room are slim to none. New York Post Sports + article.



The KHL is conducting their playoffs with a the country invading another country. Really?

How does Russia invading Ukraine affect the KHL? It's not as if the NHL was shut down when the US invaded other countries. Ukraine doesn't have a KHL team anymore so it shouldn't really affect it in that regard.
 
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this is 'insider' article, comprehensive review of potential TDL guys

i hadn't been ESPN paywall subscriber before,
but this season, with NHL TV shifts,
I upgraded Hulu to Disney/ESPN access, and got this access along the way
maybe some fo you gys too

NHL trade tiers 2022: Best players available at each position

Thanks for sharing. Speculates that the NYR should consider Hertl, Domi, Stastny, Namestnikov. Only 2 NYR players on the list are Kravtsov and Georgiev.
 
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Not sure blaming only Kravtsov is any better than suggesting it's only Drury who's to blame. This isn't an either/or situation. Kravtsov didn't respond the right way but the situation was created by Drury with his actions leading up to that point. I expect a GM to be better.

This.

I've said many times, Kravtsov is to blame here.

But guess what? He doesn't have any control or power. His only decision that he had control over was comply or revolt. He chose the wrong one, granted.

Drury has all the power and is equally to blame. He is the one who had it in his power to come up with a resolution that wasn't the binary "do what I say or get out." Drury is also the custodian in charge of a billion dollar organization. He deserves blame for not being able to better manage an unruly, irresponsible kid.
 
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Saw some reports that this is a Sellers market at the deadline. Not convinced of that. 5 contending teams all w/out a 1st rounder.

Curious to see what the Leafs do at the deadline. There's all sorts of pressure on that team. They just lost 2 in a row. Stl, and Habs. Habs crushed them last night. The leafs traded all but thier 1st and 2nd round picks in 2022 draft. There's talk they want Chariot. Habs want a first rounder for him. Will Toronto give in and go into 2022 with only 1, 2nd round pick in the entire draft? They are also crunched on the cap.

Leafs will be all over Chiarot. Muzzin was injured again last night
 
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If the cost for someone like Kessel is small because of his cap hit and lack of interest, I'd add him to the 3rd line for some depth pieces and absorb that cap hit. Is her perfect? Nope. But could help with some depth scoring? Yep.

Bobhop said no one really wants Kessel. Staple confirmed that today. Phil is available for a mid-round pick and 50% retention.

His sister Amanda is better player right now.
 
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All of that has nothing to with what I said. I just disagreed with your opinion that Wash and Bos are in better current shape than the Rangers.

That said, the Rangers could easily win a round or two. Those kinds of things happen every season.

I agree they can win a round or two but that's their limit this year whether they foolishly buy, reasonably buy, or do nothing.
 
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