Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVIII - Dust in the wind…

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Dont want to hijack the thread, but playing 30+ games in the KHL would kinda fulfill the conditioning stint in the AHL they originally sent him down for.

And he will return after a play off run. That's quite intense. He will be fine. He came over last year and played 20 games in the NHL without being sent down.

 

[RGY]

Copp
Rakell
Giordano

As long we do not have to surrender a 1st rounder in any deal. I also would not include Chytil in any of those deals. Only if we are getting a player with term such as Scheifele.

Kreider-Zib-Rakell
Panarin-Strome-Kakko
Chytil-Copp-Lafreniere
Goodrow-Rooney-Hunt
Reavo

 

[chosen]

This team isn't winning a round with Hunt, McKegg, Gauthier and Nemeth in the line up. Reaves and Rooney at least serve a purpose when not getting on the scoresheet but the other 3 forwards really don't add anything.

And Nemeth gets beaten by depth players all day long. He had 1 decent game, maybe he can build on it but I'm not expecting miracles here.

All of that has nothing to with what I said. I just disagreed with your opinion that Wash and Bos are in better current shape than the Rangers.

That said, the Rangers could easily win a round or two. Those kinds of things happen every season.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

And he will return after a play off run. That's quite intense. He will be fine. He came over last year and played 20 games in the NHL without being sent down.

People forget that when he was sent down, he actually required the conditioning.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I like that Staple's article had Rakell and Copp at the top. Two great targets, IMO.

JT Miller would still be my first choice as it allows them to absorb Strome walking for a season. But if he is unavailable or priced too high, spending some "mid-tier" assets to add 1-2 players like Rakell, Copp, Lehkonen, depth 3rd pair D, makes a ton of sense to me.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

This team isn't winning a round with Hunt, McKegg, Gauthier and Nemeth in the line up. Reaves and Rooney at least serve a purpose when not getting on the scoresheet but the other 3 forwards really don't add anything.

And Nemeth gets beaten by depth players all day long. He had 1 decent game, maybe he can build on it but I'm not expecting miracles here.

I largely agree but I don't think Hunt should be in this group. Hunt-Rooney-Reaves can be a solid 4th line for a good PO team.

 

[common12]

He mentioned Copp as well, who is Trouba's buddy and a centerman. Though he would be more expensive. He's a little further up on the trade target list and someone you could resign.

If they are giving up these assets they've acquired through the rebuild I think its wise you get something back that you intend to keep here into next season.

Completely agree. Copp and Lehkonen make the most sense but as always it always boils down to cost. In a buyers market true rentals might be much cheaper then RFAs or guys that sign extension with the acquiring teams.

 

[Machinehead]

So what actually happened to Nemeth is shrouded in that Rangers mystery we know and hate.

You have to wonder if whatever is/was wrong with him had anything to do with this minor discrepancy.

 

[MrAlmost]

Yeah but that's the goaltending.

Its still a team sport, defense helps and this teams defense is good. Offense is lacking depth, which with a few smart moves will improve both offense and defense.

 

[Lgrsean]

Nothing.

They should not rent. Period.

They have long term holes that need addressing first.

This is such an unreasonable position. If the Rangers run through their competition leading up to the trade deadline, they'll be right around the best record in the NHL. They've got the opportunity to add talent to this group that they really won't have going forward with the cap constraints. If our top guys are healthy and rolling, sitting back and watching our competition improve around us would be a terrible decision.

Take your shot while you have it. People thinking Lundkvist and a late first round pick will bring back a sure fire franchise changing young center are not being realistic. Even if every move works out in your 3-5 year plan, 1 injury tears the whole thing down. And for what?

 

[CLW]

That is bc his asking prices are so high, so that backs up my opinion even more than gourde wont be had for what we want to offer.

And why are his prices high? Because he is incapable of pulling off a trade. Doh.

 

[Lion Hound]

Saw some reports that this is a Sellers market at the deadline. Not convinced of that. 5 contending teams all w/out a 1st rounder.

Curious to see what the Leafs do at the deadline. There's all sorts of pressure on that team. They just lost 2 in a row. Stl, and Habs. Habs crushed them last night. The leafs traded all but thier 1st and 2nd round picks in 2022 draft. There's talk they want Chariot. Habs want a first rounder for him. Will Toronto give in and go into 2022 with only 1, 2nd round pick in the entire draft? They are also crunched on the cap.

 

[RangerBoy]

Saw some reports that this is a Sellers market at the deadline. Not convinced of that. 5 contending teams all w/out a 1st rounder.

Curious to see what the Leafs do at the deadline. There's all sorts of pressure on that team. They just lost 2 in a row. Stl, and Habs. Habs crushed them last night. The leafs traded all but thier 1st and 2nd round picks in 2022 draft. There's talk they want Chariot. Habs want a first rounder for him. Will Toronto give in and go into 2022 with only 1, 2nd round pick in the entire draft? They are also crunched on the cap.

Buyers market. More sellers than buyers. Teams are tight with the cap.

 

[Yuck]

I would be in favor of some smaller moves, like moving surplus B prospects or a second/third for depth pieces to put this team in the best position to gain that needed playoff experience for years to come, but I'd hate seeing us move Krav or Nils or a 1st for rentals this year. To me "self renting" Strome is that same idea.

 

[RangerBoy]

Rakell seems to make sense but what are the Ducks looking for ?

Staple suggested Robertson and a 2nd round pick

 

[NYR]

What is this, your first TDL?
They're showcasing players they want to move.
Z. Jones isn't one of them..

 

[CLW]

So what actually happened to Nemeth is shrouded in that Rangers mystery we know and hate.

You have to wonder if whatever is/was wrong with him had anything to do with this minor discrepancy.

Holy cow I didn't know it was that bad. I just went with the eye test and thought he was a disaster but that is extraordinary.

 

[mas0764]

Kravtsov should have remembered this months ago.

Agreed, and so should Drury have.

 

[NYR Viper]

If the cost for someone like Kessel is small because of his cap hit and lack of interest, I'd add him to the 3rd line for some depth pieces and absorb that cap hit. Is her perfect? Nope. But could help with some depth scoring? Yep.

 

[bhamill]

I am gonna find it absolutely hilarious when Kravtsov comes back and waltzes onto the active roster without a stint in the AHL, thereby mooting all the patently ridiculous arguments people made for months about how he had to earn a spot, thus proving this whole fiasco could have been avoided if Drury wasn't a meathead.

or if Kravtsov wasn't a meathead Diva... Gotta stop blaming anyone but Kravtsov for Kravtsov's actions. That's just ridiculous. I don't care what level anyone believes Drury mishandled it, the only person who decided to break his contract and run when he didn't get his way was Kravtsov.

 

[CLW]

Staple suggested Robertson and a 2nd round pick

Hasn't Rakell's form been indifferent for a good while now?

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I like that Staple's article had Rakell and Copp at the top. Two great targets, IMO.

JT Miller would still be my first choice as it allows them to absorb Strome walking for a season. But if he is unavailable or priced too high, spending some "mid-tier" assets to add 1-2 players like Rakell, Copp, Lehkonen, depth 3rd pair D, makes a ton of sense to me.

I was never on the Miller train unless he was gifted to us - but I feel its inevitable Drury and co. will be buyers at the deadline so the bolded is the way to go. They need to deepen the team with smart moves that can work beyond this playoff run.

I'd really like for them to intend to extend whoever they bring in, which means they have the makeup to be a playoff gamer and someone they want to roll with going forward.

Adding Blais back into mix with say a Copp or Rakell makes this team infinitely deeper considering the 2 of them are massive upgrades over McKegg and Gauthier.

However, lets take a deeper look into what it would take to sign these guys:

Rakell is 28 and makes 3.7 headed to UFA.

He will probably be looking for 5+ on the open market. Do you want to tie up that much cap for a few years in a winger when you are supposed to have Kakko and Laf earning and playing those minutes? Probably not, unless you plan to play him on the 3rd line or middle taking Strome's spot. I dont know Rakell's well enough to make that signing. I do like that he's a RH forward and has history working with Mika.

Copp is 27, making 3.6 headed to UFA.

Similar player output, with a little lower market value. Same issue as Rakell. Can they take over the 2nd line pivot position if Strome is sent packing? Again, I dont know enough about the player to make that decision. Both of these moves would strengthen the team now, but im not sure there is worth resigning them at market value pricing.

As mentioned it would be much better finding a younger, cheaper Centerman that can grow into his role and form chemistry with Kakko and Laf. I just dont know where you are getting that player and for a realistic price that doesnt wipe out the asset cupboard.

Lehkonen is 26, making 2.3 headed for RFA status.

To me this is the type of add you want because he's cost controlled, younger and doesn't block Laf & Kakko going forward. His defensive prowess fits into the system well and his offense is enough to be an upgrade over the current bottom six options you want to cycle out of the lineup. I doubt he would be extended for his market value. Closer to 3 and for a term you can live with. Might even get Gorton to pick up loose change in one of Georgiev, Kravstov, Gauthier or Hajek.

 

[Machinehead]

You know how we always complain that coaches never say anything but one time our coach did, we hated it?

"Right now Girardi and Klein are just better players than Dylan McIlrath."

Now, that statement wasn't untrue for a number of reasons. One, McIlrath never panned out. More important, AV finally told us straight up what the Rangers thought, even though we kind of knew what they thought. And everyone hated it. I thought that was funny.

Anyway, save yourselves the mental work on justifying what Jones was sent down. The Rangers think Nemeth is a better player.

I'm sorry I'm the one who had to tell you that, but at least I'm not AV.

 

[leetch99]

I like Reaves and I don't mind having him on the roster at all.

That said, he hasn't been good since the turn of the new year.

He is now a NYR Diplomat .

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

We shoulda remembered this months ago.

Sure but in fairness, he needs to be compliant with club decisions