Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVIII - Dust in the wind…

[bleedblue94]

He's being over played. His conditioning is not up to speed. He could use some days off and less ice time.

I think people forget he is 35 years old and weighs 275lbs. He has been over played recently while we have injuries. The 4th line was being used as a 3rd line for awhile. At the start of the year he was playing a lot of 8-10min games, in February he has been going like 11-13min a game and even played 14:53 against the canes. Three extra mins a game may not seem like a big deal but it is when it is a 33% increase in your game ice time. He is a great player but cant be overused bc he loses his effectiveness.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Rakell seems to make sense but what are the Ducks looking for ?

...the Ducks have a slew of talented young forwards in the fold and won’t be bringing Rakell back.

He also won’t cost a first-rounder and Nils Lundkvist, which may be Drury’s ceiling for a trade offer. Rakell might not even cost a first-rounder at all, depending on the prospect going the other way. If it’s one of the Rangers’ two second-rounders in the upcoming draft plus Matthew Robertson, that might be enough to add a dependable right wing where the Rangers currently have none.

Likely a defenseman prospect.

Not advocating it, but Jones would fit in perfect on that club.

Either way, I'd entertain the idea. Once Kakko comes back, everything slides down and kicks McKegg & Goat off the lineup, which is an upgrade. Ease Kakko back into it, with sheltered minutes on the third.

Kreider Mika Rakell/Kakko/Laf
Panarin Strome Rakell/Kakko/Laf
Goodrow Chytil Rakell/Kakko/Laf (who could go back to the left on this line)
Hunt Rooney Reaves

ex. Goat

 

[mas0764]

You can't delete your top line RW and replace him with nothing.

You can when you have two RW kids who you are counting on to seize those roles, as in fact one of them did end up as the RW1 (Kakko).

Drury got his job in a literal sense because Gorton and JD weren't prioritizing the current years edition of the Rangers enough. That wasn't happening again.

Yeah, and it's stupid.

 

[mas0764]

Someone gonna have to explain why it makes sense to give up Robertson and a second for Rackell because F that.

I'll do a third.

 

[common12]

Staple suggested going after Rakell, not sure if theres any smoke around it - but it was the first name he mentioned.



What we're hearing about the Rangers, version 2.0: Trade targets are emerging, but how realistic are they?

He would come cheaper and has the connection with Mika, might be worth a look. Could see him work on bread's line as well

Rakell would be a nice piece depending on cost. Rangers should see if Getzlaf would want a shot at a cup and get him in the deal also. Getz centering Goodrow and Rakell would be a fun 3rd line.

Probably wouldn't happen as I dont see Getz wanting to move but it would fix our depth problem.

 

[CupSeeker]

I think people forget he is 35 years old and weighs 275lbs. He has been over played recently while we have injuries. The 4th line was being used as a 3rd line for awhile. At the start of the year he was playing a lot of 8-10min games, in February he has been going like 11-13min a game and even played 14:53 against the canes. Three extra mins a game may not seem like a big deal but it is when it is a 33% increase in your game ice time. He is a great player but cant be overused bc he loses his effectiveness.

Who is a great player?

 

[duhmetreE]

Likely a defenseman prospect.

Not advocating it, but Jones would fit in perfect on that club.

Either way, I'd entertain the idea. Once Kakko comes back, everything slides down and kicks McKegg off the lineup, which is an upgrade.

For a rental maybe we can get by with Hajek+

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

For a rental maybe we can get by with Hajek+

2nd & Hajek might do it, but im not sure Verbeek would fall for it

 

[chosen]

Just read a bunch of articles about players that might be available in a deadline deal. One article said that JT Miller might be available, but that the asking price might be very high. The same article said that Conor Garland might be available at a cheaper price.

Miller is a better fit for what the Rangers need, but Garland would be a great get, in my opinion. He's a very creative offensive player and his possession stats are fine.

 

[mas0764]

Don’t be so sure

I am gonna find it absolutely hilarious when Kravtsov comes back and waltzes onto the active roster without a stint in the AHL, thereby mooting all the patently ridiculous arguments people made for months about how he had to earn a spot, thus proving this whole fiasco could have been avoided if Drury wasn't a meathead.

 

[NYR Viper]

This team isn't a move or 2 away from a Cup. This is 2012 in a sense, where we are as a team.

We are 2 years away from really going for it. Say what you want about Sather, but he didn't go all in back in 2012 when a goalie carried us to a top-5 finish in the reg season. The deadline acquisition that year was John Scott for a 5th round pick.

I agree. I could see Drury looking at someone and thinking, they would be a good acquisition for now and the future. Many teams looking to contend in the future make those types of moves. TB did it with Callahan and Coburn among others.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Rakell would be a nice piece depending on cost. Rangers should see if Getzlaf would want a shot at a cup and get him in the deal also. Getz centering Goodrow and Rakell would be a fun 3rd line.

Probably wouldn't happen as I dont see Getz wanting to move but it would fix our depth problem.

He mentioned Copp as well, who is Trouba's buddy and a centerman. Though he would be more expensive. He's a little further up on the trade target list and someone you could resign.

If they are giving up these assets they've acquired through the rebuild I think its wise you get something back that you intend to keep here into next season.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I agree. I could see Drury looking at someone and thinking, they would be a good acquisition for now and the future. Many teams looking to contend in the future make those types of moves. TB did it with Callahan and Coburn among others.

Typed this up in a private chat with some HFNYR guys so apologies for the repetition but:

Adding Lehkonen-type players is great. But we need to manage our expectations properly. Adding Lehkonen and Kessel isn't making us a contender. We are a step behind CAR/TOR/TBL/PIT/WSH/BOS/FLA at this stage. Don't look at standings, look at play off experience.

All these teams will add at the deadline. At best, you're just chasing them with the moves you make. Also, no team in 105 years of NHL history, has won a Cup after missing the play offs multiple years. Rangers missed 4 seasons in a row now.

Adding at the deadline to become a better team long term? You betcha. Sign me up.
Adding at the deadline to go for it? That's how you ruin a rebuild and end up like the Sabres/Flyers/Coyotes

Edit: I consider JT Miller a rental. No rentals please. Sign players who will be here past 2024 and I'm all for it.

 

[mas0764]

But our actual goals against is 127 which is good for 4th.

Yeah but that's the goaltending.

 

[Vitto79]

Someone gonna have to explain why it makes sense to give up Robertson and a second for Rackell because F that.

I'll do a third.

well they are going to get Atleast a 2nd plus a piece from elsewhere . Try to deal another pick and not a player sure

 

[mas0764]

Typed this up in a private chat with some HFNYR guys so apologies for the repetition but:

Adding Lehkonen-type players is great. But we need to manage our expectations properly. Adding Lehkonen and Kessel isn't making us a contender. We are a step behind CAR/TOR/TBL/PIT/WSH/BOS/FLA at this stage. Don't look at standings, look at play off experience.

All these teams will add at the deadline. At best, you're just chasing them with the moves you make. Also, no team in 105 years of NHL history, has won a Cup after missing the play offs multiple years. Rangers missed 4 seasons in a row now.

Adding at the deadline to become a better team long term? You betcha. Sign me up.
Adding at the deadline to go for it? That's how you ruin a rebuild and end up like the Sabres/Flyers/Coyotes

Edit: I consider JT Miller a rental. No rentals please. Sign players who will be here past 2024 and I'm all for it.

Preach!

 

[mas0764]

7 of the Rangers 13 games before the trade deadline are against playoff teams, including games @ pit, min, tb, and car. What would the rangers need to do over this stretch for you to be comfortable with trading a 1st round pick+ for rentals to make a push for the cup this year?

Say the rangers beat every playoff team we play, would that be enough for fans who don’t currently think this team should make moves for this years playoff run?

Nothing.

They should not rent. Period.

They have long term holes that need addressing first.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Typed this up in a private chat with some HFNYR guys so apologies for the repetition but:

Adding Lehkonen-type players is great. But we need to manage our expectations properly. Adding Lehkonen and Kessel isn't making us a contender. We are a step behind CAR/TOR/TBL/PIT/WSH/BOS/FLA at this stage. Don't look at standings, look at play off experience.

All these teams will add at the deadline. At best, you're just chasing them with the moves you make. Also, no team in 105 years of NHL history, has won a Cup after missing the play offs multiple years. Rangers missed 4 seasons in a row now.

Adding at the deadline to become a better team long term? You betcha. Sign me up.
Adding at the deadline to go for it? That's how you ruin a rebuild and end up like the Sabres/Flyers/Coyotes

Edit: I consider JT Miller a rental. No rentals please. Sign players who will be here past 2024 and I'm all for it.

I agree with this, it feels like we are on the verge of something special, finally. The playoff experience our young guys get this year will be invaluable, but I don't consider us in a window yet. Just watch the Canes or Avs play a single game, and it's easy to see why we are not there yet. It would be a tragedy to throw assets out the window to chase a cup this season and ruin what is becoming an incredible foundation.

 

[chosen]

I am gonna find it absolutely hilarious when Kravtsov comes back and waltzes onto the active roster without a stint in the AHL, thereby mooting all the patently ridiculous arguments people made for months about how he had to earn a spot, thus proving this whole fiasco could have been avoided if Drury wasn't a meathead.

Doubt you'll get your "absolutely hilarious" scenario.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I am gonna find it absolutely hilarious when Kravtsov comes back and waltzes onto the active roster without a stint in the AHL, thereby mooting all the patently ridiculous arguments people made for months about how he had to earn a spot, thus proving this whole fiasco could have been avoided if Drury wasn't a meathead.

This is a business, if Kravy can help us win games, he’s in there

 

[mas0764]

This is a business, if Kravy can help us win games, he’s in there

We shoulda remembered this months ago.

 

[chosen]

Typed this up in a private chat with some HFNYR guys so apologies for the repetition but:

Adding Lehkonen-type players is great. But we need to manage our expectations properly. Adding Lehkonen and Kessel isn't making us a contender. We are a step behind CAR/TOR/TBL/PIT/WSH/BOS/FLA at this stage. Don't look at standings, look at play off experience.

All these teams will add at the deadline. At best, you're just chasing them with the moves you make. Also, no team in 105 years of NHL history, has won a Cup after missing the play offs multiple years. Rangers missed 4 seasons in a row now.

Adding at the deadline to become a better team long term? You betcha. Sign me up.
Adding at the deadline to go for it? That's how you ruin a rebuild and end up like the Sabres/Flyers/Coyotes

Edit: I consider JT Miller a rental. No rentals please. Sign players who will be here past 2024 and I'm all for it.

I disagree that Rangers are behind WSH and BOS, anymore, and Pitt is a tad brittle and has not been performing well in the postseason, recently.

 

[chosen]

We shoulda remembered this months ago.

Kravtsov should have remembered this months ago.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I disagree that Rangers are behind WSH and BOS, anymore, and Pitt is a tad brittle and has not been performing well in the postseason, recently.

This team isn't winning a round with Hunt, McKegg, Gauthier and Nemeth in the line up. Reaves and Rooney at least serve a purpose when not getting on the scoresheet but the other 3 forwards really don't add anything.

And Nemeth gets beaten by depth players all day long. He had 1 decent game, maybe he can build on it but I'm not expecting miracles here.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I am gonna find it absolutely hilarious when Kravtsov comes back and waltzes onto the active roster without a stint in the AHL, thereby mooting all the patently ridiculous arguments people made for months about how he had to earn a spot, thus proving this whole fiasco could have been avoided if Drury wasn't a meathead.

Dont want to hijack the thread, but playing 30+ games in the KHL would kinda fulfill the conditioning stint in the AHL they originally sent him down for.