Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVIII - Dust in the wind…

[bleedblue94]

Langdon wasn't much of a hockey player. My favorite Langdon memory was Messier bought him a nice suit to wear. Either Langdon had terrible taste in clothes or he didn't have that much money for a nice suit when the Rangers called him up from the minors.

I'm fairly certain it was that he didnt have the money. I heard this story before and I'm almost certain it was a financial thing for Langdon. The story was mentioned in the vain that Messier was such a great team guy for taking care of even the 4th line callups and making sure they felt part of the group.

 

[Machinehead]

I like Reaves and I don't mind having him on the roster at all.

That said, he hasn't been good since the turn of the new year.

 

[bleedblue94]

Where is Strome finding his golden parachute in free agency? None of the free agents have been re-signed by their teams. We would have seen a fair number of players re-signed during the season leading up to free agency in normal times. Nearly every team is in some cap restraints. You can count the teams with no cap concerns on one hand. Are those teams opening the vault for Strome?

Some teams have no space for next season and they need to dump salary. Some teams have room but they have their own players to re-sign this summer and next summer. The Stars want to keep Pavelski. They have to pay Robertson this summer and Hintz next summer. The cap will go up $1M per season. That's not enough. Boston has Bergeron and Pastrnak.

Teams know it a buyers market and they will conduct that business after the season is over. The cap will be tight for at least the next two seasons. Maybe more after The NHL and NHLPA access the financial damage caused by omicron.

You also have to believe Strome isn't seen around the league as a player really worth the investment. The place I could see him going is Seattle. They desperately need offense and could like his leadership/calming personality as a guy coming in while Gio will most likely be leaving. Francis has cap space to do something.

 

[IronBloodedLion]

This team is begging for help for the third line. We essentially have 2 fourth lines. Whether it’s a returning Kakko or they make a move, the need is certainly there.

 

[Machinehead]

I like the way we've been playing since the Florida game and I see the next couple of weeks as a litmus test for whether or not I actually want to do anything at the deadline.

Mediocre 5v5 teams have won the Cup with special teams and/or goaltending (hi, 2018 Capitals, f*** you!)

That being said, teams don't win the Cup that are being laughed off the ice, no matter how good the goaltending is.

Through December and January, we were being laughed off the ice. Recently, we're back in the category of "gee, that was a bit boring, but it was fine." We can win in that wheelhouse.

 

[CLW]

You also have to believe Strome isn't seen around the league as a player really worth the investment. The place I could see him going is Seattle. They desperately need offense and could like his leadership/calming personality as a guy coming in while Gio will most likely be leaving. Francis has cap space to do something.

I think I said that. The Rangers trade prospects+picks for Gourde (maybe McCann), Kraken then sign Strome as UFA if the Rangers doesn't sort his deal out first. Seattle need something different for offense. They can't hang on to all their third liners, it's useless going with four 3rd lines and they need real talent in the pipeline.

 

[kovazub94]

I didn’t mention anything about Kravtsov’s performance in the AHL or preseason. I specifically mentioned his play in those 20 games.

You yourself said you were impressed and excited about him last year.



You say he showed you jack shit in those 20 games last year. What exactly impressed you and had you excited?




There’s some more of the jack shit he showed you last year.

I’m not a fanboy of his like Jova. I don’t like the kid very much. But he absolutely stood out in those games last season despite being stapled to the 4th line for most of it. That’s all I’m saying man.

Agree and still he can go f*** himself (I know you said this too - I just like to emphasize this part).

 

[bleedblue94]

I think I said that. The Rangers trade prospects+picks for Gourde (maybe McCann), Kraken then sign Strome as UFA if the Rangers doesn't sort his deal out first. Seattle need something different for offense. They can't hang on to all their third liners, it's useless going with four 3rd lines and they need real talent in the pipeline.

I highly doubt that the rangers are getting gourde for prospects and picks. I dont think he is getting moved at all unless it is for an extreme price

 

[CLW]

I like the way we've been playing since the Florida game and I see the next couple of weeks as a litmus test for whether or not I actually want to do anything at the deadline.

Mediocre 5v5 teams have won the Cup with special teams and/or goaltending (hi, 2018 Capitals, f*** you!)

That being said, teams don't win the Cup that are being laughed off the ice, no matter how good the goaltending is.

Through December and January, we were being laughed off the ice. Recently, we're back in the category of "gee, that was a bit boring, but it was fine." We can win in that wheelhouse.

That's been against Boston without Bergeron and Marchand, who turtled after going 1 up, Detroit at home & Ottawa. Florida before them was good in the first period then their wheels kind of came off for them. Florida was back on track against the Wild and demolished them. It's easier to look good against the weaker teams. The Rangers always looks good against teams with weaker team D and not so hot against the industrious teams like Calgary, Carolina and Nashville.

 

[Machinehead]

That's been against Boston without Bergeron and Marchand, who turtled after going 1 up, Detroit at home & Ottawa. Florida before them was good in the first period then their wheels kind of came off for them. Florida was back on track against the Wild and demolished them. It's easier to look good against the weaker teams. The Rangers always looks good against teams with weaker team D and not so hot against the industrious teams like Calgary, Carolina and Nashville.

I don't disagree

 

[CLW]

I highly doubt that the rangers are getting gourde for prospects and picks. I dont think he is getting moved at all unless it is for an extreme price

Maybe. Francis certainly seems incapable of making deals in any case.

 

[bleedblue94]

Maybe. Francis certainly seems incapable of making deals in any case.

That is bc his asking prices are so high, so that backs up my opinion even more than gourde wont be had for what we want to offer.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

This team is begging for help for the third line. We essentially have 2 fourth lines. Whether it’s a returning Kakko or they make a move, the need is certainly there.

It’s gonna happen I believe. If you pencil in Goodie, we need 1-2 more guys like Lehkonen, McCann, Jarnkrok, whomever. The big question is does Chytil go because now he doesn’t really have a role. Or do they punt to the off-season and have him still miscast as a 3rd liner?

 

[kovazub94]

Shesterkin had a .916 save percentage last year

shesterkin has a .939 save percentage this year

the difference between these two seasons is like the difference from a good goalie to the worst goalie in theeavue

So instead of implying that Reaves is responsible for X’s and O’s on PP you should’ve said he’s a goalie guru - he did help Flower reignite his career in Vegas after all.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

That is bc his asking prices are so high, so that backs up my opinion even more than gourde wont be had for what we want to offer.

Seattle Players with term aren’t going anywhere especially Gourde and they will sign Strome if we don’t

 

[Clark Kellogg]

I have heard Maloney say that. Mike McEwen, Lucien DeBlois and Pat Hickey were friends with all of those guys on the team. Especially McEwen and Hickey. Management traded them for Beck. They lost their buddies and management said Beck is the missing piece. I don't really remember those three players on the Rangers. I was very young but I remember some of my family members were annoyed at the trade.

The Islanders acquire McEwen from Colorado and he won Cups with them. That made it even worse.

Beck was a huge disappointment. The fanbase was annoyed at him. The players on the teams didn't hate him but the Rangers traded their buddies for him. Beck was supposed to the Rangers version of Potvin.

This is all correct. The team had 5 quality defensemen. McEwen, Marois, Maloney, Vadnais and Greschner. Even Dave Farrish was a very serviceable d-man and did not lack team toughnesses. So Beck was a trophy. Barry never seemed to fit in even though he was an excellent defenseman.
The need was at Center ice. Tkaczuk and Esposito were getting on and Ulf Nilsson ankles kept him in and out of the line-up.
Back then a team could only field 17 skaters. It didn’t go up to 18 till the 82/83 season so there could be a chance the team was preparing for the WHA expansion draft and felt they were going to lose players anyway. We ended up losing Nick Fotiu, Pierre Plante, Dave Farrish along with a goalie prospect that I don’t remember.
Later that year, a decision was made that instead of the team dealing with Donny Murdock’s cocaine issues Fred Shero would trade him to the Edmonton Oilers for Cam Connor mistaking him for Colin Campbell.
Shero was replaced by Craig Patrick
early the following season and that once promising team with a young core was never the same.
Pity.

 

[kovazub94]

I would like to add Chytl to that thinking. His hockey sense is still zero.

Absolutely dissimilar situations and also shows how much you know about development.

 

[GAGLine]

NHL Trade Deadline Big Board 2.0: John Klingberg, Claude Giroux and 28 others who could be dealt

Giordano is a left-shot defenseman who has been variously linked to Toronto, Florida and the Rangers in the rumor mill...
Giordano earns $6.75 million so Seattle would probably need to eat 50 percent of that in any deal with a capped-out Eastern Conference contender. The expectation, according to one GM, is that Seattle will insist on a minimum of a first-round pick.

I can't see the Rangers paying a 1st round pick for him. Toronto or Florida might, as they both would need Seattle to retain, and that will cost them more. Florida's 1st would have to be 2023 though, as they already traded this year's pick for Reinhart.

 

[NYR Viper]

I can't see a desire, or need, to trade this years 1st rounder. It would be incredibly short sighted.

I think 95% of us agree that the team once Kaako comes back looks like:

Panarin-Strome-Kaako
Kreider-Zibanejad-Lafreniere
Goodrow/Chytil-Goodrow/Chytil-________
Hunt/McKegg-Rooney-Reaves

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Nemeth-Schneider

The team doesn't need to go out and spend assets like Lundkvist, Kravtsov or their 1st to fill that hole with someone worthwhile.

It just seems like a good opportunity, like Goodrow, to find the right fit for that 3rd line with some of the players who are available. Key in on someone the team would be interested anyways in the off-season and bring them in to see how they fit and offer them an extension. Jarnkrok. Lehkonen.

Most big moves will be off-season changes.

The notable exception to this is that Georgiev, if teams are interested, should be moved.

That and I would hope Drury would be looking for a couple of overpriced veterans to be brought in as depth that may cost players like Gettinger or someone like that.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Staple suggested going after Rakell, not sure if theres any smoke around it - but it was the first name he mentioned.

If the Canucks have prioritized keeping J.T. Miller and shopping around some other forwards with less impact — or if Vancouver has prioritized getting Chris Drury to surrender Braden Schneider in a Miller deal, which is a nonstarter — then the Rangers general manager will start (and certainly already has started) to look elsewhere for top-six right wing help.

So if it’s rentals that Drury must seek out, perhaps the best rental right wing is out in Southern California. Rickard Rakell isn’t the 30-plus goal scorer he was five years ago, but he’s on pace for 23 goals this season, which already puts him on the top line at the Garden.

Rakell grew up in Swedish youth hockey riding shotgun to Mika Zibanejad, so there’s a familiarity there. The Ducks have faded after a surprising first half and currently sit just outside the playoff picture.

What we're hearing about the Rangers, version 2.0: Trade targets are emerging, but how realistic are they?

He would come cheaper and has the connection with Mika, might be worth a look. Could see him work on bread's line or the 3rd as well.

 

[duhmetreE]

I like Reaves and I don't mind having him on the roster at all.

That said, he hasn't been good since the turn of the new year.

He's being over played. His conditioning is not up to speed. He could use some days off and less ice time.

 

[NYR Viper]

Staple suggested going after Rakell, not sure if theres any smoke around it - but it was the first name he mentioned.



What we're hearing about the Rangers, version 2.0: Trade targets are emerging, but how realistic are they?

He would come cheaper and has the connection with Mika, might be worth a look

What do you think he would want on his next deal?

7 of his 23 points have come on the PP which he won't be prominent on in NY.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I can't see a desire, or need, to trade this years 1st rounder. It would be incredibly short sighted.

I think 95% of us agree that the team once Kaako comes back looks like:

Panarin-Strome-Kaako
Kreider-Zibanejad-Lafreniere
Goodrow/Chytil-Goodrow/Chytil-________
Hunt/McKegg-Rooney-Reaves

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Nemeth-Schneider

The team doesn't need to go out and spend assets like Lundkvist, Kravtsov or their 1st to fill that hole with someone worthwhile.

It just seems like a good opportunity, like Goodrow, to find the right fit for that 3rd line with some of the players who are available. Key in on someone the team would be interested anyways in the off-season and bring them in to see how they fit and offer them an extension. Jarnkrok. Lehkonen.

Most big moves will be off-season changes.

The notable exception to this is that Georgiev, if teams are interested, should be moved.

That and I would hope Drury would be looking for a couple of overpriced veterans to be brought in as depth that may cost players like Gettinger or someone like that.

This team isn't a move or 2 away from a Cup. This is 2012 in a sense, where we are as a team.

We are 2 years away from really going for it. Say what you want about Sather, but he didn't go all in back in 2012 when a goalie carried us to a top-5 finish in the reg season. The deadline acquisition that year was John Scott for a 5th round pick.

 

[Vitto79]

Staple suggested going after Rakell, not sure if theres any smoke around it - but it was the first name he mentioned.



What we're hearing about the Rangers, version 2.0: Trade targets are emerging, but how realistic are they?

He would come cheaper and has the connection with Mika, might be worth a look

Rakell seems to make sense but what are the Ducks looking for ?

 

[bleedblue94]

Seattle Players with term aren’t going anywhere especially Gourde and they will sign Strome if we don’t

I agree