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Love Colton. He was smaller than his contemporaries and held his own and then some. Larauqe, Godard, Riley Cote, MacGrattan. Saw him at a game a few years ago and he’s a great guy too

Good dude. Used to hang in Cafe 31 after the games from time to time.

Nick Fotiu used to work with the Wolfpack. In a game vs Providence Orr beat the snot out of one of the players on HFD. Fotiu made the call to the big club, and they picked him up.

He was here for 4 seasons. That’s a good run for a 4th line enforcer.
 
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I would rather give McKegg top 6 minutes than have Clutterbuck anywhere in the lineup
 
Brooks is not necessarily wrong on the whole, but the last 4 games might be the best sustained stretch of consistent 5v5 play that this team has had all season. Kind of an odd time to bring up their poor 5v5 performance. Why is he writing this now?

Over the last 4 games in aggregate, 5v5 metrics per 60 min:

Shots for = 33.7, would rank 5th in the league
Shots against = 29.6, would rank 11th in the league
Shots for % = 53.2%, would rank 7th in the league

Shot attempts for = 58.7, would rank 9th in the league
Shot attempts against = 53.4, would rank 14th in the league
Shot attempt for % = 52.3%, would rank 10th in the league

Expected goals for = 2.88, would rank 3rd in the league
Expected goals against = 2.17, would rank 2nd in the league
Expected goals for % = 57.0%, would rank 1st in the league
 
Gold from Larry

The bottom six have come to a grinding halt. The bottom six have also all but halted grinding, though they are not alone in their culpability in this department. The club’s forecheck game has evaporated. There is rarely possession below the hash marks or containment.

The Blueshirts are back to being a one (or none)-and-done team in the offensive zone. Their ineffective dump-and-chase game leads to easy exits followed by easy entries at the other end. This is not at all representative of the playoff-style game encouraged by head coach Gerard Gallant.

The third line has been a dog’s breakfast since the first puck was dropped at training camp. It needs to be entirely reconstructed and reimagined. If this is not the time, it must become a priority over the summer. The third line has become a repository for guys who don’t fit into the top six. It has no identity.

I will never understand why people don't like Brooks... he nails it.

Because brooks might be correct in his assessment of the teams lack of offense, he also tends to absolutely fail in understanding how to fix it.
Brooks talks for the sake of hearing his own voice without actually giving anything more than "they're bad, or they're good", he doesn't even understand why these things are true.
 
$3.5m doesn't seem that steep for a rental. I wouldn't be going after him, but with the space we have this season it really wouldn't matter cap wise.
Unless you're talking about re-singing him, which would be a big mistake
My apologies, I thought he had more term remaining on his deal.

Still dont want him or to deal with Lou.

Would rather deal with the Devils for Zacha
 
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I love Adam Graves! but As far as Fighting he’s behind
Barry Beck
Nick Fotiu
Joe Kocur - He beat a lot of guys while a Ranger.
Tie Domi
George McPhee
Darren Langdon. - Graves.
All the above Tough Rangers and I love em all.

Adam Graves was the first Rangers player who could play and fight. The Graves from 1991-92 to 93-94 was a great player. He scored 114 goals but it was more than the goals. You can't find a better body of work over that time period(3 seasons). He played in all situations. He was the ultimate power forward. He was a strong skater. A better human being. He fought everyone. My favorite Graves memory was when he beat up Claude Lemieux after game 6 in 1992. That was the last post game NHL brawl before they changed the rules. Claude had the beating coming to him because he was an asshole in the 1986 series against the Habs.

Beck was the ultimate disappointment. The Rangers traded 3 players from the 1979 team for him. He never fulfilled his potential in NY. I remember Pat Flatley knocked him out one night with a clean check. Beck hurt his shoulder. He was never the same player. He had issues with Herb Brooks. The Rangers always wanted more from Beck. He had issues with Ted Sator and his coaching staff. Reg Higgs and Jack Birch. Those guys were not afraid to ruffle feathers. Sator sent Hanlon and Larouche to the AHL. The Rangers loaned them to other organizations. Both of them were recalled later. Larouche was moved to RW with Ridley and Miller. They gave the net to Vanbiesbrouck and everyone thought the Rangers were crazy. The coaching staff had issues with Pavelich.

McPhee was 5-7 but he was fearless for his size.

Langdon wasn't much of a hockey player. My favorite Langdon memory was Messier bought him a nice suit to wear. Either Langdon had terrible taste in clothes or he didn't have that much money for a nice suit when the Rangers called him up from the minors.
 
The only one dumb are the ignorant- novice hockey fans on this board who have the gumption to knock Larry Brooks.

Spot on LB again ;

He even simplifies it for the fans that root for the Jersey and don’t really understand puck possession and SOG importance .


There’s just a little bit too much Greg McKegg in the lineup.
6. The Rangers are ranked 31st in shots per 60:00, ahead of only Arizona. Of the 10 lowest ranked teams in that category, the other nine are on the outside looking in on the playoffs.”

This team is ALL IGOR

There’s a new King

Is it just me or does it feel like Mckegg plays 40 minutes a night.
I know he doesn't but it sure feels that way.
 
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We dont need a clutterbuck we need a mid 6 rw, a bottom pair LD, and possibly a mid 6 center. We added enough grit, and we have enough bottom 6 guys that can't score. We need more offense.
 
Which is it though? How can he have shown more while accomplishing less?

That just makes no sense to me. 2 guys you listed have shown enough to be regular NHLers. Kravtsov couldn't outplay Gauthier and Sammy Blias enough in preseason to win a spot.

Kravtsov doesn't even measure up to Chytil and Andersson in his AHL performance..

I didn’t mention anything about Kravtsov’s performance in the AHL or preseason. I specifically mentioned his play in those 20 games.

You yourself said you were impressed and excited about him last year.

I'm impressed with and very exited about Kravtsov.

You say he showed you jack shit in those 20 games last year. What exactly impressed you and had you excited?


Like the coaches I’ve been surprised just how fast he is. The NA rinks really bring out his speed more.

There’s some more of the jack shit he showed you last year.

I’m not a fanboy of his like Jova. I don’t like the kid very much. But he absolutely stood out in those games last season despite being stapled to the 4th line for most of it. That’s all I’m saying man.
 
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Good dude. Used to hang in Cafe 31 after the games from time to time.

Nick Fotiu used to work with the Wolfpack. In a game favs Providence Orr beat the snot out of one of the players on HFD. Fotiu made the call to the big club, and they picked him up.

He was here for 4 seasons. That’s a good run for a 4th line enforcer.

Like Fotiu, one of the only times the Rangers had a good fighter through that players best years.
 
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In the recent NY Post podcast with Larry Brooks and Mollie Walker, Brooks said the Rangers have good chemistry in the room. The players get along and have a good time together. Brooks felt the Rangers chemistry is an important reason why the Rangers are having a solid regular season. Bringing in many new players at the deadline with effect that chemistry. Mollie agreed with Larry. We talk about Drury has all of this cap space to bring in X amount of player but the chemistry of the team will change.

Drury is in a tough spot. He is a first year GM and Dolan put him in charge of finishing the rebuild/build. Drury played in The NHL and he knows team chemistry is very important. Drury has been sitting on this cap space all season. 20/20 hindsight. Maybe the Rangers should have just kept Buchnevich as a self rental instead of having to scour the trade market for a Buchnevich replacement. First time GM. What do you expect?
Changers around the edges. Possibly a large add (no subtraction of note) but definitely 1-2 smaller adds. No core players moving out.

Brooks is spot on. This is Gallant’s MO. See my posts about the value of a great culture in the locker room.
 
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Adam Graves was the first Rangers player who could play and fight. The Graves from 1991-92 to 93-94 was a great player. He scored 114 goals but it was more than the goals. You can't find a better body of work over that time period(3 seasons). He played in all situations. He was the ultimate power forward. He was a strong skater. A better human being. He fought everyone. My favorite Graves memory was when he beat up Claude Lemieux after game 6 in 1992. That was the last post game NHL brawl before they changed the rules. Claude had the beating coming to him because he was an asshole in the 1986 series against the Habs.

Beck was the ultimate disappointment. The Rangers traded 3 players from the 1979 team for him. He never fulfilled his potential in NY. I remember Pat Flatley knocked him out one night with a clean check. Beck hurt his shoulder. He was never the same player. He had issues with Herb Brooks. The Rangers always wanted more from Beck. He had issues with Ted Sator and his coaching staff. Reg Higgs and Jack Birch. Those guys were not afraid to ruffle feathers. Sator sent Hanlon and Larouche to the AHL. The Rangers loaned them to other organizations. Both of them were recalled later. Larouche was moved to RW with Ridley and Miller. They gave the net to Vanbiesbrouck and everyone thought the Rangers were crazy. The coaching staff had issues with Pavelich.

McPhee was 5-7 but he was fearless for his size.

Langdon wasn't much of a hockey player. My favorite Langdon memory was Messier bought him a nice suit to wear. Either Langdon had terrible taste in clothes or he didn't have that much money for a nice suit when the Rangers called him up from the minors.
Vic Hatfield was a real player that could toss ‘em. A few others as well.
 
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I didn’t mention anything about Kravtsov’s performance in the AHL or preseason. I specifically mentioned his play in those 20 games.

You yourself said you were impressed and excited about him last year.



You say he showed you jack shit in those 20 games last year. What exactly impressed you and had you excited?




There’s some more of the jack shit he showed you last year.

I’m not a fanboy of his like Jova. I don’t like the kid very much. But he absolutely stood out in those games last season despite being stapled to the 4th line for most of it. That’s all I’m saying man.

The point I was making was actually to the effect of tempering expectations not jumping on the bandwagon. Maybe you missed the second sentence of the quote?

What impressed and excited me are the same things that continue to keep Kravtsov as a projectable NHLer in the future in my mind. What followed that quote were 11 more NHL games in which he played worse and a preseason where he was so meh that Gauthier made the team over him and it was hard to find much fault in that decision.

And yeah, he looked fast.

There's no good reason to think he'd be an effective top 6 player for us right now. We have literally a handful of recent examples of highly talented kids who underwhelmed in limited minutes and three of them you brought up yourself to show us why not. If it's about the 20 games, we can just agree to disagree. If you really need me to say that he showed something or are trying to stick me on some semantic shit, then fine: he showed some good tools and that he is not yet an effective NHL player.

You'll notice I've said some pretty complementary things about Gauthier after his first nine games with the Rangers... hope you don't think I have him penciled as 1RW next game
 
Now Drury is trying to acquire a player to replace Buchnevich. What will Radulov cost? He isn't 1/2 player right now at his stage of his career in comparison to Buchnevich.

I'm with you.

Radulov can't score in Dallas, but he's going to start here in NY?

I am not buying it.
 
Too bad Frank Seravalli is not an NHL GM. He loves Georgiev. Frank was talking about Georgiev to Vegas again on his podcast again today. He says the Rangers can trade for Martin Joes to replace him. Georgiev is 26 years old and coming into his own. His career save % is .910 and he has been in the league for a while. Georgiev should hire Frank as his agent.
I’d gladly move Georgiev tomorrow. Only 3 back to backs left in regular season and the team isn’t going anywhere if Igor goes down. Monetize him while you can.
 
Drury did an admirable job building what should be this teams 4th line this season of Hunt-Rooney-Reaves. That line has an identity and is a PIA. The 3rd pairing is also considerably better this season than last.

Last year the teams 3rd and 4th lines were useless and it killed them as well as a bottom-pairing which was horrendous.

It’s been fairly evident to everyone who watches this team regularly that the next order of business for Drury was to concentrate on the 3rd line. Watching Lafreniere move up and play well shows even more how disjointed that line is in general and we all note how the teams 4th line often plays more than it’s 3rd. That’s a problem.

Perhaps it fixes itself with time as Chytil develops, Barron comes in and shows more or someone like Berard, Cuylle or Othmann make the team but more than likely they need to find a middle-term glue piece for both now and the future.

Also getting Kaako back to push Goodrow back to the 3rd line would help tremendously.

Ship out Gauthier, his underlying numbers are solid, someone will think he’s just unlucky and with his size, speed and strength there will be a rebuilding team willing to give him a couple of years of time to develop.
 
Adam Graves was the first Rangers player who could play and fight. The Graves from 1991-92 to 93-94 was a great player. He scored 114 goals but it was more than the goals. You can't find a better body of work over that time period(3 seasons). He played in all situations. He was the ultimate power forward. He was a strong skater. A better human being. He fought everyone. My favorite Graves memory was when he beat up Claude Lemieux after game 6 in 1992. That was the last post game NHL brawl before they changed the rules. Claude had the beating coming to him because he was an asshole in the 1986 series against the Habs.

Beck was the ultimate disappointment. The Rangers traded 3 players from the 1979 team for him. He never fulfilled his potential in NY. I remember Pat Flatley knocked him out one night with a clean check. Beck hurt his shoulder. He was never the same player. He had issues with Herb Brooks. The Rangers always wanted more from Beck. He had issues with Ted Sator and his coaching staff. Reg Higgs and Jack Birch. Those guys were not afraid to ruffle feathers. Sator sent Hanlon and Larouche to the AHL. The Rangers loaned them to other organizations. Both of them were recalled later. Larouche was moved to RW with Ridley and Miller. They gave the net to Vanbiesbrouck and everyone thought the Rangers were crazy. The coaching staff had issues with Pavelich.

McPhee was 5-7 but he was fearless for his size.

Langdon wasn't much of a hockey player. My favorite Langdon memory was Messier bought him a nice suit to wear. Either Langdon had terrible taste in clothes or he didn't have that much money for a nice suit when the Rangers called him up from the minors.
Right you are. We took three roster players of a SCF team for Beck and it didn’t work out. Dave Maloney always points that out when the subject comes up, without calling out Beck by name.
 
Drury did an admirable job building what should be this teams 4th line this season of Hunt-Rooney-Reaves. That line has an identity and is a PIA. The 3rd pairing is also considerably better this season than last.

Last year the teams 3rd and 4th lines were useless and it killed them as well as a bottom-pairing which was horrendous.

It’s been fairly evident to everyone who watches this team regularly that the next order of business for Drury was to concentrate on the 3rd line. Watching Lafreniere move up and play well shows even more how disjointed that line is in general and we all note how the teams 4th line often plays more than it’s 3rd. That’s a problem.

Perhaps it fixes itself with time as Chytil develops, Barron comes in and shows more or someone like Berard, Cuylle or Othmann make the team but more than likely they need to find a middle-term glue piece for both now and the future.

Also getting Kaako back to push Goodrow back to the 3rd line would help tremendously.

Ship out Gauthier, his underlying numbers are solid, someone will think he’s just unlucky and with his size, speed and strength there will be a rebuilding team willing to give him a couple of years of time to develop.

Hunt-Rooney-Reaves has played together for 100 minutes with a 39.5 CF%, scoring 0 goals, and allowing 4. They've been horrible in their time together.
 
Is it just me or does it feel like Mckegg plays 40 minutes a night.
I know he doesn't but it sure feels that way.

McKegg's averaging over 11 mins this season which is way too much. I know we've had some roster issues, but all of he, Hunt, Gauthier and Reaves averaging 10+ mins while all also playing 30+ games to this point speaks to either woeful Pack depth, stubbornness or both
 
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