Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVIII - Dust in the wind…

[mas0764]

The kid has skill and vision, his attitude has been immature. If he comes back and is given an immediate role and just works hard and plays than I think everyone wins here. Kravtsov coming in here and playing hard is probably the best addition NYR can make in the top 9. The team still needs to add bottom 6 depth and push mckegg out of the lineup (back to the ahl) and ideally make hunt the 13th forward

We really need everyone to get over their feelings and make this work.

 

[mas0764]

I was very hi on the F him train with what happened at camp, but in the end BOTH sides have suffered, and in the mean time no more confusion in communication with bobrov gone. I know as a kid I did a lot of maturing from year to year in my late teens and early 20s. It is time to bring him in and let him play. Even last year I felt when he came in he should've gone directly on the rw with strome and panarin as a place to succeed with his strengths. He is never going to be a 4th line player, he is a top 6 or top 9 guy. Let him earn it now...

Give him the chance to earn it.

It means Greg McKegg, Julien Gauthier and Dryden Hunt can ride the damn pine.

 

[mas0764]

The big knock on Drury has been too much toffness that can't actually play and his asset management has been suboptimal.

The first one is probably a "lets hope 1 or 2 of the 5 guys actually works" which is great in theory because all those guys are the least important ones on your roster, but with injuries has kneecapped the team into having like 8 legit everyday forwards right now. So that looks bad.

The other part is him paying 110 cents or 120 cents on the dollar for things or only getting 85 or 90 cents on the dollar the other way. This I suspect is on purpose and part of his pitch to Dolan -- I don't care about maximizing returns on edge cases and missing the forest from the trees, if I want my guy I get him within reason. That attitude is appealing to a guy like Dolan for a lot of reasons, and honestly, they have the war chest to make this a reasonable approach to take.

I suspect Blais + something was the best they could do for Buch in terms of a top 9 player RIGHT NOW which frankly they needed a lot more than an AHL guy, center or not.

They should have gone for a guy with upside that was not a player right now.

 

[RickChartraw]

Uncle Larry thinks the answer is Cal Clutterbuck.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I hate to rehash but if Sammy f***ing Blais was the best Drury could do he should have gone in another direction. It's really that simple. Sammy Blais is nothing special.

 

[Irishguy42]

Uncle Larry thinks the answer is Cal Clutterbuck.

Uncle Larry is a dummy

 

[WojtekWolski86]

How has no one photoshopped the Endgame scene where Thanos says "you couldn't live with your own failure, where did that bring you? Back to me."

Whether that is Management going back to Kravtsov or this board. Pick your poison both metaphors apply.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Alternatively, the pieces that we use for Chychurn aren't enough/the right fit to get the center we want, however obtaining Chyrun allows us to offer someone like Miller who that trade for a center could be built around...

Yea and then that trade compounds into another one. It just becomes a domino affect of trades. There is no need to acquire him from a Rangers standpoint. Its a want and not a need. We a stockfull of great defensive prospects and i believe the Rangers brass is very high on Kandre.

If Arizona isnt getting what they want/asking for, for chychrun why do you think that is?

 

[effen]

They should have gone for a guy with upside that was not a player right now.

You can't delete your top line RW and replace him with nothing.

Drury got his job in a literal sense because Gorton and JD weren't prioritizing the current years edition of the Rangers enough. That wasn't happening again.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Actually my perspective is that not only is Scheifele safely a bit better offensively than Strome, but that if the two swapped places Scheifele’s production stays the same or increases while Strome’s drops at least 10 points. By the same token, I think people harp on Scheifele’s defensive lapses - as they relate to a CENTER - and have a valid point, but Strome barely even IS a center and has defensive lapses for a hockey player of any position, period. Comparing the two of them directly, Scheifele’s defense is a huge upgrade on Strome’s IMO. Comparing Scheifele to other top centers, he isn’t on par with top line two way centers around the league.

Dont forget Schieff is also a 50% faceoff man. Stromer basically 43%. Would make a massive difference on the draws as well

 

[mike14]

Yea and then that trade compounds into another one. It just becomes a domino affect of trades. There is no need to acquire him from a Rangers standpoint. Its a want and not a need. We a stockfull of great defensive prospects and i believe the Rangers brass is very high on Kandre.

If Arizona isnt getting what they want/asking for, for chychrun why do you think that is?

Because Arizona are in pretty unique position of needing/wanting caphit without $$ attached so they aren't a standard trading partner?

Of course there's no need. But if Drury's calling around for a center, and part of the asking price is Miller or another young D, then a trade fro someone like Chyrun would make sense to backfill the hole...
Trading for Chyrun and being done? Waste of assets IMO.
Trading for him because there's more going on? May be worth it

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Buchnevich provided consistent offense from day 1. He was our best drafted forward since Kreider and is gonna top out around PPG.

 

[Kocur26]

I hate to rehash but if Sammy f***ing Blais was the best Drury could do he should have gone in another direction. It's really that simple. Sammy Blais is nothing special.

1000% Drury is an assclown and was a shitty Ranger … hated signing him - hated him as a Ranger .
I heard his family wanted him to retire but he Half assed it collect his cash .
Not a fan

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Larry is just doing his old boss a solid by driving interest in soon to be traded player for old Lou

nothing deeper than that

 

[Lion Hound]

Kocur's hands were gone by the time he became a Ranger. Adam Graves and Tie Domi were the best fighters in a Rangers sweater. Kocur's heyday was with the Red Wings. He wasn't the same guy in NY. Pre-back injury Graves was the toughest player to wear a Rangers sweater in the last 40 years.

The LaFontaine incident happened in 1990. First round of the playoffs. The Rangers won that series. Al Arbour stained his legacy with that incident. The Rangers had injuries on D. Leetch broke his ankle in March 1990. He didn't play in the playoffs. Shaw didn't play in the playoffs either. Rochefort who could never stay healthy was healthy enough to play in the playoffs that season. Moller was good for the Rangers in the playoffs. They lost to Washington because the Caps were better.

The Smurfs stuff was in the early 1980's(82/83) when the Rangers kept beating Philly. The Flyers coach and GM Bob McCammon called them the Smurfs. His Flyers couldn't skate with them. Pavelich, McCallahan, Hedberg, etc skated circles around them.

He had a few major surgeries to the hand. But he had a lot left in the tank largely evidenced by the damage he continued to do. He one punched Claude Boivin straight to the ice vs the Flyers. He put Al Stewart out of the lineup after he lumped him up. KO’d Mike Eagles. Cracked Caufield's helmet. For a guy that had banged up hands he still threw for the fences.

Fighters used to hang on and just try not to get hit when they fought Kocur. Even Twist hung on against him.

Domi is def up there but he was a notch below Kocur. Graves was super tough but not in the same class as both Domi and Kocur. I’d put Langdon up there too.

 

[Kocur26]

The only one dumb are the ignorant- novice hockey fans on this board who have the gumption to knock Larry Brooks.

Spot on LB again ;

He even simplifies it for the fans that root for the Jersey and don’t really understand puck possession and SOG importance .

“
There’s just a little bit too much Greg McKegg in the lineup.
6. The Rangers are ranked 31st in shots per 60:00, ahead of only Arizona. Of the 10 lowest ranked teams in that category, the other nine are on the outside looking in on the playoffs.”

This team is ALL IGOR

There’s a new King

 

[duhmetreE]

Gold from Larry

The bottom six have come to a grinding halt. The bottom six have also all but halted grinding, though they are not alone in their culpability in this department. The club’s forecheck game has evaporated. There is rarely possession below the hash marks or containment.

The Blueshirts are back to being a one (or none)-and-done team in the offensive zone. Their ineffective dump-and-chase game leads to easy exits followed by easy entries at the other end. This is not at all representative of the playoff-style game encouraged by head coach Gerard Gallant.

The third line has been a dog’s breakfast since the first puck was dropped at training camp. It needs to be entirely reconstructed and reimagined. If this is not the time, it must become a priority over the summer. The third line has become a repository for guys who don’t fit into the top six. It has no identity.

I will never understand why people don't like Brooks... he nails it.

 

[duhmetreE]

Kreider Zibs Laffy
Panarin Strome Chytil
Lehkonen Copp Kakko
Rooney Goodrow Gauther/Reaves/Hunt

How much do Lehkonen and Copp cost us?

 

[RGY]

Cal Clutterbuck would be a disaster on multiple levels. Starting with his contract and age.

 

[mike14]

Cal Clutterbuck would be a disaster on multiple levels. Starting with his contract and age.

$3.5m doesn't seem that steep for a rental. I wouldn't be going after him, but with the space we have this season it really wouldn't matter cap wise.
Unless you're talking about re-singing him, which would be a big mistake

 

[17futurecap]

Cal Clutterback would be the perfect addition if the goal was to somehow make the possession numbers even worse.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I will never understand why people don't like Brooks... he nails it.

He’s stating the blatantly obvious. Anyone with eyes would tell you the Rangers bottom six is going to have issues

When you have guys like Reaves, Gauthier, Hunt and McKegg getting minutes, it’s means your team is top heavy. Having 1/2 of those guys getting minutes is workable, 3/4 is a totally different ball game

 

[Wtp99]

He had a few major surgeries to the hand. But he had a lot left in the tank largely evidenced by the damage he continued to do. He one punched Claude Boivin straight to the ice vs the Flyers. He put Al Stewart out of the lineup after he lumped him up. KO’d Mike Eagles. Cracked Canfield helmet. For a guy that had banged up hands he still threw for the fences.

Fighters used to hang on and just try not to get hit when they fought Kocur. Even Twist hung on against him.

Domi is def up there but he was a notch below Kocur. Graves was super tough but not in the same class as both Domi and Kocur. I’d put Langdon up there too.

Loved Kocur, Though Barry Beck was right up there, Hospidar was pretty good too

 

[jay from jersey]

Kreider Zibs Laffy
Panarin Strome Chytil
Lehkonen Copp Kakko
Rooney Goodrow Gauther/Reaves/Hunt

How much do Lehkonen and Copp cost us?

chytil on the wing should be permanent by now. we’re either going to get some benefit from him offensively, or he’ll be moved.

they aren’t going to watch him skate up and down the ice creating no offense and avoiding contact.
That’s not a hallmark of GGs bottom 6 hockey.
There’s absolutely no reason any of Hunt/Rooney/ Reaves playing anywhere besides 4th line for 10 or so mins a night....

Goodrow needs to go back to 3LW permanently, it’s where he’s most effective.
Whether the RW on that line is chytil/Kakko or a Lehkonen add, Copp should be our target for 3C

 

[JohnC]

Larry Brooks somehow managed to sagely and correctly identify a gaping hole in the NYR Rocket Ship, and then followed it up by prescribing fixing said hole with a piece of slightly used chewing gum in Cal Clutterbuck.

The logic of acquiring Clutterbuck is there. Let’s the coaching staff move Reaves up to the 3rd line.