Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVIII - Dust in the wind…

[CupSeeker]

I’d put money on Langdon or Kocur against anyone, at any point in their careers. They were smart, tough and would outlast their opponents.

Colton Orr

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Giving Hertl a UFA deal given his extensive knee injury track record seems like a disaster in the making

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Slightly better offense? Lol.

Yeah he isn’t that much better.

Some of you people are obsessed with names more than our front office is

 

[bhamill]

Yeah he isn’t that much better.

Some of you people are obsessed with names more than our front office is

Blessing in disguise. Haha.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Not a Kravtsov fanboy, but he did everything but score in those 20 games. He gifted some opportunities that weren’t buried. He created turnovers with his back checking and hustle. He showed me more in those 20 games than Chytil has in 227 games, Andersson in 66 games, and Lafreniere in 104 games.

Having said that, the kid can go f*** himself.

Which is it though? How can he have shown more while accomplishing less?

That just makes no sense to me. 2 guys you listed have shown enough to be regular NHLers. Kravtsov couldn't outplay Gauthier and Sammy Blias enough in preseason to win a spot.

Kravtsov doesn't even measure up to Chytil and Andersson in his AHL performance..

 

[rangers1314]

Larry is right in the sense that Drury needs to bring in 2 forwards to rebuild this 3rd line on the fly.

The Clutterbuck shit is for the clicks

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

I doubt Arizona retains 3M for 6 more years. if they were going to retain on a contract might as well do it for Chychrun and get a huge return.

THe issue with that is we do not need Chychrun.

Our team needs a real center. No point in wasting the assets to add Chychrun

 

[McRanger92]

That might be the worst take on Kocur I have ever heard. That washed up Tomato can was the best fighter this club ever employed. It was a different era in hockey back then. Enforcers mattered. Every team had multiple guys to do the job. Not to mention, prior to 91, the Rangers were literally called the Smurfs. Ill never forget the playoffs when the Rangers knocked the Isles out. I believe it was James Patrick who laid a big hit on LaFontaine. A the end of the game the Isles threw out their goon squad. Baumgartner, Vukota and Nylund. Rangers didn't have an answer for it. They had Nilan, Chris King and Bloemberg. They beat the snot out of the Rangers left on the ice. Rangers checked out the next series. In the meeting the very next season Kocur went right after Baumgartner opening faceoff. The place erupted. In another heavyweight tilt, #26 hit Jay Caufiled so hard it cracked his helmet down the middle. Kocur while in NY took on pretty much anyone that was willing to have a go with him. Paul Laus, Stu Grimson, Donald Brashear, Rob Ray, Craig Berube, Dan Kordic, Lyle Odelien and Bob Probert. Kocur had very few losses, and a lot of players ducked him his whole career.

Rangers had a massive culture change in the early 90's. They added Graves, Beukeboom, Kocur and of course Messier arrived shortly after. They bulked up. The never let anyone push them around. The end result was the first Stanley Cup in 54 years.

This sounds familiar

 

[Tob]

I'm keeping some hope for some modern medicine/healing progression that is months ahead of the usual timeline for Blais.

 

[Avery16]

Giving Hertl a UFA deal given his extensive knee injury track record seems like a disaster in the making

I would agree, but I just wonder how motivated he could be to come here and to play with some of our other Fs. No matter what, any FA is going to have to be a team-friendly contract at this point (thanks to Drury and Goodrow).

 

[McRanger92]

To NYR: Karlsson @ 50%
To VGK: Kravtsov
To ARZ: Chytil

Arizona needs to get to the floor somehow. Don't know what VGK would want. It's a cap dump but he's still a good player.

This actually makes a ton of sense because it would allow you to keep Strome/find a similarly priced replacement

 

[DanielBrassard]

THe issue with that is we do not need Chychrun.

Our team needs a real center. No point in wasting the assets to add Chychrun

I'm not talking about the Rangers, I'm saying that's what Arizona should do.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Ridley and Miller for Carpenter was THE worst trade ever. Then Esposito trades Carpenter and Laidlaw for 40 year Marcel Dionne two months later. From bad to worse.

Definitely the two worst trades in Ranger’s history.
Comparing the two is like arguing if the Titanic was worse than the Lusitania .

I have two words for you: RICK MIDDLETON.

 

[mike14]

THe issue with that is we do not need Chychrun.

Our team needs a real center. No point in wasting the assets to add Chychrun

Alternatively, the pieces that we use for Chychurn aren't enough/the right fit to get the center we want, however obtaining Chyrun allows us to offer someone like Miller who that trade for a center could be built around...

 

[Avery16]

Kravtsov couldn't outplay Gauthier and Sammy Blias enough in preseason to win a spot

This is a false choice.

Kravtsov didn’t require waivers to demote but Gauthier did. Drury thought he would take advantage of that to try to find the market for Gauthier and Hajek. Gauthier truly showed nothing in camp.

Drury overplayed his hand and it cost us Kravtsov.

 

[McRanger92]

If we could square a Hertl signing with our cap considerations, this would be a good way to address the 2C issue.

I think they would find a way to make room for Hertl’s contract. Meaning Chytil/Lindgren. Nemeth is a goner somehow regardless

 

[McRanger92]

Colton Orr

Love Colton. He was smaller than his contemporaries and held his own and then some. Larauqe, Godard, Riley Cote, MacGrattan. Saw him at a game a few years ago and he’s a great guy too

 

[McRanger92]

Giving Hertl a UFA deal given his extensive knee injury track record seems like a disaster in the making

Mets didn’t sign Vlad Guerrero because they were worried about a back injury that never came. He’s been healthy recently and looks great, I wouldn’t worry too much

 

[bbny]

Yeah he isn’t that much better.

Some of you people are obsessed with names more than our front office is

No. I just know a consistent 30+ goal, PPG player is more than slightly better than a 15-20 goal 60-70 point player offensively.

I don’t disagree with your assertion about defensive shortcomings with Scheifele, but you’re way off on comparing him and Strome offensively. It’s not even close.

 

[LokiDog]

No. I just know a consistent 30+ goal, PPG player is more than slightly better than a 15-20 goal 60-70 point player offensively.

I don’t disagree with your assertion about defensive shortcomings with Scheifele, but you’re way off on comparing him and Strome offensively. It’s not even close.

Actually my perspective is that not only is Scheifele safely a bit better offensively than Strome, but that if the two swapped places Scheifele’s production stays the same or increases while Strome’s drops at least 10 points. By the same token, I think people harp on Scheifele’s defensive lapses - as they relate to a CENTER - and have a valid point, but Strome barely even IS a center and has defensive lapses for a hockey player of any position, period. Comparing the two of them directly, Scheifele’s defense is a huge upgrade on Strome’s IMO. Comparing Scheifele to other top centers, he isn’t on par with top line two way centers around the league.

 

[Fitzy]

Larry Brooks somehow managed to sagely and correctly identify a gaping hole in the NYR Rocket Ship, and then followed it up by prescribing fixing said hole with a piece of slightly used chewing gum in Cal Clutterbuck.

 

[mas0764]

Florida was in the market for a top line RW because they traded for Reinhart in an equally underwhelming return. At no point was Lundell realistic or on the table in a Buch trade. Revisionist history to include that in the trades you were "right" about.

I was "right," about that Lundell for Buch would have been excellent value for the Rangers. There were posters on here who told me otherwise.

And I think Buch is more valuable than Reinhart so I again maintain that is a fair proposition. If Lundell wasn't on the table that is Florida's choice but it doesn't mean it's not a realistic ask. Buch was a 25 year old 70 point pace RW.

 

[mas0764]

I agree we are t winning anyway, but then, again, why a rental. And if your backup has to play a few games over the course of a 6 week playoff run, it shouldn’t be a death sentence. IF you are trying to win it.

I'm just saying I don't remember Hank's backup ever playing in the playoffs.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Actually my perspective is that not only is Scheifele safely a bit better offensively than Strome, but that if the two swapped places Scheifele’s production stays the same or increases while Strome’s drops at least 10 points. By the same token, I think people harp on Scheifele’s defensive lapses - as they relate to a CENTER - and have a valid point, but Strome barely even IS a center and has defensive lapses for a hockey player of any position, period. Comparing the two of them directly, Scheifele’s defense is a huge upgrade on Strome’s IMO. Comparing Scheifele to other top centers, he isn’t on par with top line two way centers around the league.

How is Strome barely a center when he's no worse than Scheifele is at the defensive part of the game and they play the same position. In fact most metrics would suggest he's quite a bit better. Wouldnt that make Scheifele not a center as well? Scheifele has been one the worst defensive forwards in the league for years now.

 

[mas0764]

I think using KAM as a trade chip now is a great idea. I've been impressed with his offense recently, but am not so sure about his defense yet. Hopefully other teams have taken notice of him recently and will value him highly.

I know there are rumors out there that Scheifele is available...would love to see us get him. Would have no problem moving KAM, Lundqvist, and Kravstov in some sort of deal involving him.

People revolt against this concept but it depends on what the return is.

Your suggested deal above is no good.

But if I could get an equal young center back, I'm interested.