Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVIII - Dust in the wind…

[bbny]

this is a terrible idea.

scheifele is strome with slightly better offense and even worse defense.

Slightly better offense? Lol.

 

[RangerBoy]

The one that always sticks in my craw is Ridley and Miller for Carpenter. Washington shot up in the standings and we faded hard. One of the worst trades ever.

Ridley and Miller for Carpenter was THE worst trade ever. Then Esposito trades Carpenter and Laidlaw for 40 year Marcel Dionne two months later. From bad to worse.

 

[Avery16]

I don't care about the locker room, this team needs some help at forward. If it's Kravtsov who gets the call and can be productive that would be incredible.

If the locker room can be ruined by including Kravtsov, it wasn't a very strong locker room to begin with.

 

[jay from jersey]

Absolutely. Gaut and McKegg were extras in training camp. They are not playing due to merit. They are playing because Blais and Kakko got hurt and Kravtsov f***ed off to Siberia. The hand-wringing about Barron’s usage is too much—he’s not a difference maker either, a marginal improvement at best. Drury needs to overhaul the third line in a significant way.

Barron not playing is more puzzling then anything else... he’s shown he can play well at the nhl level. He’s shown he can play well at the AHL level....
He’s obviously an upgrade on McKegg.. if GG wants to go with McKegg, fine, but you have Barron sitting on taxi squad doing nothing.
If he’s part of the future, or you know he’s really not going to get nhl time, why isn’t he in Hartford until next season???
They can call up various 4th line plugs that don’t have the potential impact Barron has on the line up.
It’s great that he’s practicing with the big boys and hopefully learning, but it’s coming to the point where your going to have to either find the kid a nhl roster spot, or trade him...
He has very little to prove going back to the AHL at this point imo.

he’s shown he can play responsible 2-way hockey, he’s big, he’ll hit, score here at there, and win face offs. And that’s all in his minimal time here getting 4th line minutes... do again, what’s the point?
It’s not so much that I’m pissed at GG, just more confused what their plans are for the kid..
If I were him, I’d feel like I’m getting a raw deal tbh....

 

[TheDirtyH]

Kravtsov had 20 games in the NHL in which he did jack shit. There's no good reason to think he'd even help us at this point.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Kravtsov had 20 games in the NHL in which he did jack shit. There's no good reason to think he'd even help us at this point.

Third time's a charm.

 

[Avery16]

Kravtsov had 20 games in the NHL in which he did jack shit. There's no good reason to think he'd even help us at this point.

Kreider had 3 points in 23 GP in his first season with us. JT had 4 in 26.

Kravtsov's 4 in 20 GP is arguably showing more.

 

[effen]

Uhh it's not at the point you have to trade Barron I don't know how to expand upon that but it's nonsense. He can sit on the taxi squad and get NHL money.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Agree on needing to upgrade the bottom 6 and I think that's what will happen. Kakko and Blais injuries have exposed the issue.

Ideally, Goodrow should be part of this group, but he's filling in up top.

Swap out McKegg, Gauthier and Hunt for upgrades like Lehkonen and maybe another UFA bottom 6'er.
That should improve this team a little 5 on 5.
(I heard Joe Mic plugging Nick Paul but I'm not sure how much of an upgrade he is over Hunt - I feel like Sam and Joe drop hints of who the Rangers are interested in if you listen closely).

Going into next year you've significantly boosted your bottom 6, because you will be adding Blais back into the mix as well. His injury actually prevented him from getting a substantial raise, which works in the Rangers favor.

22-23 Bottom 6
Goodrow (50... I meant 5 years remaining)
Chytil (unless you let Strome walk and he's thrusted into the top 6 - 1 year remaining)
Blais (RFA, will need to be extended)
Lehkonen or the like (RFA, will need to be extended)
Rooney (UFA - I'd resign)
Reaves (1 year remaining)
Cheap UFA Rental for 22 playoffs, if needed (let him walk so you dont block Barron, or resign depending on Strome/Chytil 2nd line center situation)

Extras or in AHL:
Hunt (1 yr remaning)
Barron (1 yr remaning)
Gauthier (RFA, resign 2-way or trade - think he would have to go through waivers but whatever)

Gone:
McKegg

Blais - Chytil - Goodrow
Lehkonen - Rooney - Reaves

ex Hunt, Barron

That list is stronger than the current group. Eliminating McKegg is addition by subtraction. The entire 3rd line can play up in the top 6 if needed. 4th line is more balanced and if Barron comes on he claims a spot. Hunt as an extra for injuries or to switch it up.

 

[jay from jersey]

Maybe there's a grey area... Miscommunication in management, where the guys that promised him the world are gone.

Set the standard moving forward. He's a great talent and hopefully with a chip on his shoulder, he proves his worth... take the risk for strike3 or sell him at bargain bin prices.

Not a shot he comes back and they give him top 9 spot/min....
For some slim chance the 2 sides do reconcile, he’ll likely have to come back over and at least play in Hartford for a bit......
That’s why I think there’s no shot this would ever happen

 

[McRanger92]

Barron not playing is more puzzling then anything else... he’s shown he can play well at the nhl level. He’s shown he can play well at the AHL level....
He’s obviously an upgrade on McKegg.. if GG wants to go with McKegg, fine, but you have Barron sitting on taxi squad doing nothing.
If he’s part of the future, or you know he’s really not going to get nhl time, why isn’t he in Hartford until next season???
They can call up various 4th line plugs that don’t have the potential impact Barron has on the line up.
It’s great that he’s practicing with the big boys and hopefully learning, but it’s coming to the point where your going to have to either find the kid a nhl roster spot, or trade him...
He has very little to prove going back to the AHL at this point imo.

he’s shown he can play responsible 2-way hockey, he’s big, he’ll hit, score here at there, and win face offs. And that’s all in his minimal time here getting 4th line minutes... do again, what’s the point?
It’s not so much that I’m pissed at GG, just more confused what their plans are for the kid..
If I were him, I’d feel like I’m getting a raw deal tbh....

The situation with Barron is odd, but the only reason hes in the NHL right now is 2 significant injuries and Kravtsov leaving unceremoniously. He should be playing over McKegg & Gauthier but Gallant's preference toward the guys who have been here all year isnt new. It could be possible that NYR has communicated to both he and Jones that "its a weird year roster wise, we will keep you in NY for emergency situations, practice with the NHL team and get an NHL paycheck". I still think both guys will have an impact this year. Consider this the "glass half full" explanation i guess haha

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Barron not playing is more puzzling then anything else... he’s shown he can play well at the nhl level. He’s shown he can play well at the AHL level....
He’s obviously an upgrade on McKegg.. if GG wants to go with McKegg, fine, but you have Barron sitting on taxi squad doing nothing.
If he’s part of the future, or you know he’s really not going to get nhl time, why isn’t he in Hartford until next season???
They can call up various 4th line plugs that don’t have the potential impact Barron has on the line up.
It’s great that he’s practicing with the big boys and hopefully learning, but it’s coming to the point where your going to have to either find the kid a nhl roster spot, or trade him...
He has very little to prove going back to the AHL at this point imo.

he’s shown he can play responsible 2-way hockey, he’s big, he’ll hit, score here at there, and win face offs. And that’s all in his minimal time here getting 4th line minutes... do again, what’s the point?
It’s not so much that I’m pissed at GG, just more confused what their plans are for the kid..
If I were him, I’d feel like I’m getting a raw deal tbh....

Yeah, I'd like to see Barron get a longer look. I've liked what Ive seen. McKegg is an offense killer.

Im guessing its McKeggs use on a very successful PK as of late which is the reason he is seeing time. Barron isnt providing that when he's in and its shifting the time to another player that isnt as trusted in that role. Maybe they could give Kakko more of a look there, but hes been out

 

[TheDirtyH]

Kreider had 3 points in 23 GP in his first season with us. JT had 4 in 26.

Kravtsov's 4 in 20 GP is arguably showing more.

So he performed comparably to two guys who were AHLers to start their next seasons... I'm not saying the book is closed on Kravtsov, I'm just saying there's not much reason to think he'd be a good top 6 forward for us this season. His time in the NHL is one thing against him; then there's the fact that he didn't even make the team over of the plugs we now want to replace with him.

 

[rangers1314]

Marek says he expects Copp to end up in Detroit this summer

 

[Lion Hound]

The Rangers in 1991 traded Kevin Miller to the Red Wings for Joey Kocur. The Rangers weren't a great team but they were leading their division at the trading deadline. Neil Smith made that trade and the team basically lost every game left in the regular season. Pittsburgh won the Patrick Division. Chemistry is important. It all depends on the results. Miller wasn't a great player but he was a key player on that team and the Rangers traded for a washed tomato can with two bad hands who couldn't really fight anymore.

The Rangers need better players than Hunt, Gauthier and McKegg. Those players makeup 1/2 of their bottom six. People are complaining about Gallant. He should be one of the three nominees for the Jack Adams looking at some of the forward options he has at his disposal. People were complaining about Rooney playing in OT against Boston or Detroit. He doesn't have that many options. He could have been sending a message to Drury. Get me better players.

That might be the worst take on Kocur I have ever heard. That washed up Tomato can was the best fighter this club ever employed. It was a different era in hockey back then. Enforcers mattered. Every team had multiple guys to do the job. Not to mention, prior to 91, the Rangers were literally called the Smurfs. Ill never forget the playoffs when the Rangers knocked the Isles out. I believe it was James Patrick who laid a big hit on LaFontaine. A the end of the game the Isles threw out their goon squad. Baumgartner, Vukota and Nylund. Rangers didn't have an answer for it. They had Nilan, Chris King and Bloemberg. They beat the snot out of the Rangers left on the ice. Rangers checked out the next series. In the meeting the very next season Kocur went right after Baumgartner opening faceoff. The place erupted. In another heavyweight tilt, #26 hit Jay Caufiled so hard it cracked his helmet down the middle. Kocur while in NY took on pretty much anyone that was willing to have a go with him. Paul Laus, Stu Grimson, Donald Brashear, Rob Ray, Craig Berube, Dan Kordic, Lyle Odelien and Bob Probert. Kocur had very few losses, and a lot of players ducked him his whole career.

Rangers had a massive culture change in the early 90's. They added Graves, Beukeboom, Kocur and of course Messier arrived shortly after. They bulked up. The never let anyone push them around. The end result was the first Stanley Cup in 54 years.

 

[RangerBoy]

Marek says he expects Copp to end up in Detroit this summer

Too bad Frank Seravalli is not an NHL GM. He loves Georgiev. Frank was talking about Georgiev to Vegas again on his podcast again today. He says the Rangers can trade for Martin Joes to replace him. Georgiev is 26 years old and coming into his own. His career save % is .910 and he has been in the league for a while. Georgiev should hire Frank as his agent.

 

[bhamill]

The backup goalie shouldn't be playing in the playoffs or we aren't winning no matter who it is.

And really we aren't winning anyway.

I agree we are t winning anyway, but then, again, why a rental. And if your backup has to play a few games over the course of a 6 week playoff run, it shouldn’t be a death sentence. IF you are trying to win it.

 

[Block More Shots]

this is a terrible idea.

scheifele is strome with slightly better offense and even worse defense.

Wait, you're comparing Scheifele to Strome? One is a #1 center and the other is a #2/#3 center. They shouldn't even be in the same sentence. Strome's production is very much tied to Panarin. Scheifele has much better offense AND defense than Strome...I don't think that this is even a topic for debate.

In addition to the whole KAM trade idea, I understand people wanting to keep him around. He will be a very solid 2nd pairing defensemen for sure who can play PP...not sure if he'll ever be a top pairing guy though, which is fine. I'm just suggesting him because you need to give to get, especially if we're trying to improve our center depth and make a cup run. Getting a #1 center like Scheifele (who'd really be our #2 behind Zibby) makes us much more dangerous and versatile.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Kravtsov had 20 games in the NHL in which he did jack shit. There's no good reason to think he'd even help us at this point.

revisionist history

 

[Block More Shots]

If you're using KAM as a trade chip, it better be for a full-blown #1 center type of return. Scheifele would theoretically fit that bill but I don't think I'd want to make that move.

Definitely think that KAM is on a completely different tier than Lundkvist and Kravtsov, though. They aren't really comparable at all.

Yeah man, completely understand. My thought process is that obtaining a legit #1 center is hard to do obviously and we'd have to give up a solid centerpiece to even start that type of trade, alongside other good pieces like Krav and Nils. We'd certainly leave a hole on the left side if KAM is traded, so Drury would have to make another move unfortunately.

Do I think it'll happen? No, but I figured it's just food for thought if the team really wants to bring on a #1 center who MIGHT be available.

 

[rangers1314]

Too bad Frank Seravalli is not an NHL GM. He loves Georgiev. Frank was talking about Georgiev to Vegas again on his podcast again today. He says the Rangers can trade for Martin Joes to replace him. Georgiev is 26 years old and coming into his own. His career save % is .910 and he has been in the league for a while. Georgiev should hire Frank as his agent.

Jones sucks too. I’d rather trust the devil I know..

 

[bleedblue94]

The world where they are allocating $6.25m in cap space to a 3rd liner with 16 points in 43 games and playing him about 11 minutes a night.

He is a ufa at the end of the season. They will get a 2nd or 3rd rounder for him by the deadline. They aren't dealing him and a 3rd for a 7th d man...

 

[ZiGOODejad]

Kreider had 3 points in 23 GP in his first season with us. JT had 4 in 26.

Kravtsov's 4 in 20 GP is arguably showing more.

Pretty sure when they were assigned to the A they went.

 

[duhmetreE]

Barron not playing is more puzzling then anything else... he’s shown he can play well at the nhl level. He’s shown he can play well at the AHL level....
He’s obviously an upgrade on McKegg.. if GG wants to go with McKegg, fine, but you have Barron sitting on taxi squad doing nothing.
If he’s part of the future, or you know he’s really not going to get nhl time, why isn’t he in Hartford until next season???
They can call up various 4th line plugs that don’t have the potential impact Barron has on the line up.
It’s great that he’s practicing with the big boys and hopefully learning, but it’s coming to the point where your going to have to either find the kid a nhl roster spot, or trade him...
He has very little to prove going back to the AHL at this point imo.

he’s shown he can play responsible 2-way hockey, he’s big, he’ll hit, score here at there, and win face offs. And that’s all in his minimal time here getting 4th line minutes... do again, what’s the point?
It’s not so much that I’m pissed at GG, just more confused what their plans are for the kid..
If I were him, I’d feel like I’m getting a raw deal tbh....

Barron having such a short leash is puzzling.

Gallant is gonna Gallant. Whomever he has known longer, gets ice time.

 

[MrAlmost]

Pretty sure when they were assigned to the A they went.

Not only that, they played well.