Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVII: It's the Final Countdown

[Avery16]

Yes he has

go to twitter.com, type 'projected lines strome fast panarin' in the search bar, and scroll down. You will quickly see that you are WRONG.

 

[mas0764]

It’s up 0.02 goals per game vs last year.

I guess I could be wrong, but just saying... it seems like back in 2012 there were comparatively very few 70+ point players.

Now you can get all the way down into the 30's and 40's (in terms of rank) and find guys soaring past 70 points.

Edit: Double checking -- it jumped -- post-mini lockout in 13-14, there were anywhere between 17-19 players who scored 70 points in a season all the way through 16-17.

Then in 17-18, that number jumped to 36 players in an instant. In 18-19 it went to 55 players.

This year, it seems like it will be back into the high 30's or low 40's, but still, that's a huge jump from the mid point of the decade.

I wonder what caused that sudden shift.

 

[JayMan82]

I guess I could be wrong, but just saying... it seems like back in 2012 there were comparatively very few 70+ point players.

Now you can get all the way down into the 30's and 40's (in terms of rank) and find guys soaring past 70 points.

Edit: Double checking -- it jumped -- post-mini lockout in 13-14, there were anywhere between 17-19 players who scored 70 points in a season all the way through 16-17.

Then in 17-18, that number jumped to 36 players in an instant. In 18-19 it went to 55 players.

This year, it seems like it will be back into the high 30's or low 40's, but still, that's a huge jump from the mid point of the decade.

I wonder what caused that sudden shift.

I think the rules (not being able to cross check the shit out of forwards) help scoring along with more penalties called. Reduction in goaltender equipment has to help as well.

 

[Crease]

I guess I could be wrong, but just saying... it seems like back in 2012 there were comparatively very few 70+ point players.

Now you can get all the way down into the 30's and 40's (in terms of rank) and find guys soaring past 70 points.

Edit: Double checking -- it jumped -- post-mini lockout in 13-14, there were anywhere between 17-19 players who scored 70 points in a season all the way through 16-17.

Then in 17-18, that number jumped to 36 players in an instant. In 18-19 it went to 55 players.

This year, it seems like it will be back into the high 30's or low 40's, but still, that's a huge jump from the mid point of the decade.

I wonder what caused that sudden shift.

I wonder if its due to a more liberal application of the secondary assist.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

go to twitter.com, type 'projected lines strome fast panarin' in the search bar, and scroll down. You will quickly see that you are WRONG.

I dont have to, I have watched every game this year but 3. Projected lines don't mean that's what they played with.

 

[Blue Blooded]

I think the rules (not being able to cross check the shit out of forwards) help scoring along with more penalties called. Reduction in goaltender equipment has to help as well.

It's the goaltender equipment change, 5v5 scoring rates have significantly increased.

 

[Avery16]

I dont have to, I have watched every game this year but 3.

I watched them all. Your memory is off.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I watched them all. Your memory is off.

My memory is fine

 

[Kovalev27]

I don’t think its goalie equipment most will tell you they like the changes they’re much quicker now. The game has opened up tremendously. Teams just play a much more offensive style than they did 10 years ago. The players are more skilled than they’ve ever been lot of talent. Lot of scrubs no longer in the Lineups.

 

[Avery16]

View attachment 329871

My memory is fine

Where does that screenshot show games played or TOI by combo?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Where does that screenshot show games played or TOI by combo?

Come on man just admit you are wrong

 

[Avery16]

Come on man just admit you are wrong

You gave proof that the combo exists. That wasn't in contention.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

You gave proof that the combo exists. That wasn't in contention.

Need anymore research done to prove you dont know what you are talking about?

 

[Blue Blooded]

It’s not the goalie equipment. The game has opened up tremendously. Teams just play a much more offensive style than they did 10 years ago. The players are more skilled than they’ve ever been lot of talent. Lot of scrubs no longer in the Lineups.

Based on?

I think it's pretty clear that the new equipment rules introduced in 17-18 are the main driver. Powerplay opportunites aren't up and neither are expected goals, it's just shooting percentages that suddenly increased and the stayed the same in subsequent years (with the same equipment rules).

 

[bobbop]

I thought that was the plan for Howden or Hajek

Hajek has to get up to 70 NHL games played

 

[Avery16]

View attachment 329875

Need anymore research done to prove you dont know what you are talking about?

Look at all those times Fast wasn't on Panarin's line. There were games Strome wasn't even playing C. Who was, according to you- Fast?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Look at all those times Fast wasn't on Panarin's line. There were games Strome wasn't even playing C. Who was, according to you- Fast?

Give it up....you are making yourself look foolish. Panarin played most of the year with Fast and Strome. The limited times they never played together Zibanajad or Chytil played center.

 

[Kovalev27]

Based on?

I think it's pretty clear that the new equipment rules introduced in 17-18 are the main driver. Powerplay opportunites aren't up and neither are expected goals, it's just shooting percentages that suddenly increased and the stayed the same in subsequent years (with the same equipment rules).

View attachment 329877

I can tell you the equipment changes in 17-18 we’re barely noticeable. Shooting percentages are up because players are better. You have far fewer 4th line fighters and plugs in the lineups. You have better powerplay structures. Everyone plays a diamond now and teams are moving pucks laterally across the royal road much more frequently in all situations. It’s just a different offensive approach than it’s been in the past. Lot less teams trapping.

the big goalie equipment change came 10 years ago. And that honestly made goalies better.

and that chart you provided shows shooting percentage gradually increasing for 2 years prior to the small change in chest protectors. Which by the wall only rounded out the shoulder wings. Hardly a big change. Most goalies already tucked chestys in and had to use smaller pants. You’re not seeing goals that tick off shoulders or hips and go in at a crazy rate. Miniscule changes

 

[mas0764]

Give it up....you are making yourself look foolish. Panarin played most of the year with Fast. Zibanajad, Strome or Chytil centered Panarin all year with Strome being his most used center.

If your chart is percentages, then it definitely says that Panarin did not play "most" of the year with Fast. It says that the most common lineup for Panarin was Panarin, Strome, and Fast, but that was still only 38.5% which is less than a majority. But there are almost no other combinations that have Fast with Panarin according to that chart, while Panarin is with Strome on almost every other combination.

Looks to me that based on those charts Panarin was with Strome significantly more than he was with Fast.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

If your chart is percentages, then it definitely says that Panarin did not play "most" of the year with Fast. It says that the most common lineup for Panarin was Panarin, Strome, and Fast, but that was still only 38.5% which is less than a majority. But there are almost no other combinations that have Fast with Panarin according to that chart, while Panarin is with Strome on almost every other combination.

Looks to me that based on those charts Panarin was with Strome significantly more than he was with Fast.

You can't read charts, its obvious.

 

[mas0764]

You can't read charts, its obvious.

Mmmm, I can read charts.... I just asked if that one was percentages.

What is it that you think that chart says?

Also.... rude.

 

[Avery16]

You can't read charts, its obvious.

You mean we can’t read screenshots of charts with some values cut off?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Mmmm, I can read charts.... I just asked if that one was percentages.

What is it that you think that chart says?

Also.... rude.

Who has played RW with Panarin for the majority of the year? That was the question I'm answering...what's your answer.

 

[Avery16]

Fast has always played up and down the lineup, hasn’t had a regular line for long. Anyone who supposedly watches 90% of the GP or even just reads the dailies could tell you that, if they were being honest.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

You mean we can’t read screenshots of charts with some values cut off?

I mean you are wrong and you should just admit it.