Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVII: It's the Final Countdown

[Good Intentions]

I find it hilarious how MSG has latched onto Strome as some sort of team icon. Quick, another pregame clip of Ryan breaking down game tape on the iPad...zzz.

This guy is a fairly solid - yet completely replaceable part. I’d do 2 years at a reasonable AAV. Nothing more.

 

[MrPodz]

If strome took less penalties, i feel like people would not be shitting on him as much. He is what he is. Hes a very good passer and thar helps with panarin bc two amazing passes can lead to a goal pretty easily. If I was DQ Id just show strome clips over and over until he realizes that he wont play until he proves he can be def responsible. That being said, I hope gorton flips him to some overly eager GM. My guess though, would be that he gets resigned to a reasonable aav

 

[egelband]

Strome makes Buchnevich look like Braveheart.

 

[Raspewtin]

Also- Kreider takes more minor penalties than Strome, and I didn't even see that mentioned in conversations about his usefulness.

Strome has 8 more minor penalties than Kreider this year. Where did you get this fact from?

 

[RGY]

If we could, we would have done it by now.

Is it just some random coincidence that Panarin is having the best year of his career at age 28? That he's doing better with Strome and Fast than he did with Patrick Kane? Chemistry is a genuine thing.

Or it wasnt a priority for them to find a Strome replacement/upgrade as it was to take care of some of the other issues they had on the list.

Strome helped Panarin have his best year? He made this happen? Have you watched Panarin this year? This guy has taken his game to another level on his own. Maybe it was the motivation from playing in NY in MSG? Could that have been it? Because he does things on the ice that have nothing to do with Strome or Fast.

Replaceable player. And the crazy thing is we still have people defending this bum after yesterday’s atrocities committed. GARBAGE hockey player.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Happy Birthday Hank!!!!

38 years young and double the age of Kakko.

 

[Kovalev27]

As of last week Strome led all nhl forwards in minor penalties. And never are they saving a goal or of the roughing variety. They’re lazy and normally in the offensive zone.

he gifted the islanders a point with his embarrassing penalty. He did the same before the break. He cost us the game yesterday easily.

his ridiculous line change cost us the last Columbus game.

why this guy has the rope he does is beyond me. Maybe after finally being benched yesterday he’ll get the message but frankly he should be pulled from the Panarin line and the PP until he proves he can put together an honest effort

 

[RGY]

I dont understand why they wouldnt try Gauthier in Kreider’s spot. Let him work in front of the net.

The problem with Strome’s spot on the 2nd line is that we do not have another option internally. Chytil? Maybe, but he is also weak in his own end so its concerning giving him more important minutes right now. Chytil certainly can improve in the years to come but right now he is not responsible enough in his own end. And yes of course Gauthier could be a problem on Zib’s line, haven’t seen him enough yet to know his defensive awareness. Howden shouldnt play past the 4th line, even though he has.

So unfortunately, we are stuck with Strome on that 2nd line right now. In the offseason, different story. Find the upgrade and/or hope Chytil takes the next steps in his development. Find and upgrade for both Strome and Fast. Those two are not and should not be on the 2nd line.

 

[Ardi44]

As of last week Strome led all nhl forwards in minor penalties. And never are they saving a goal or of the roughing variety. They’re lazy and normally in the offensive zone.

he gifted the islanders a point with his embarrassing penalty. He did the same before the break. He cost us the game yesterday easily.

his ridiculous line change cost us the last Columbus game.

why this guy has the rope he does is beyond me. Maybe after finally being benched yesterday he’ll get the message but frankly he should be pulled from the Panarin line and the PP until he proves he can put together an honest effort

if you cant start trusting Chytl, thats not a good reflection on the coach

 

[Kovalev27]

Quinn refuses to trust any of the kids in top 6 roles. He just won’t do it. You can’t tell me Kakko shouldn’t be the first option to replace Buchnevich when he went down.

Chytil has yet to play an entire period let alone a game with Panarin as his winger. Why? Why won’t he give that even a look? Chytil is not worse than Strome in his own end and certainly not on the back check. We play Fast on the second line because Quinn knows Strome won’t play a lick of defense and someone has to.

Gauthier is an offensive player he has barely had a sniff off the 4th line. Got a shift with Mika and Panarin and got an assist.

but Quinn rather continue to ride Strome without consequence has DiGi playing top line mins which is absurd. And sticks Howden and Lemieux on the powerplay?


I don’t get it.

 

[Ardi44]

Quinn refuses to trust any of the kids in top 6 roles. He just won’t do it. You can’t tell me Kakko shouldn’t be the first option to replace Buchnevich when he went down.

Chytil has yet to play an entire period let alone a game with Panarin as his winger. Why? Why won’t he give that even a look? Chytil is not worse than Strome in his own end and certainly not on the back check. We play Fast on the second line because Quinn knows Strome won’t play a lick of defense and someone has to.

Gauthier is an offensive player he has barely had a sniff off the 4th line. Got a shift with Mika and Panarin and got an assist.

but Quinn rather continue to ride Strome without consequence has DiGi playing top line mins which is absurd. And sticks Howden and Lemieux on the powerplay?


I don’t get it.

its certainly frustrating. i have no idea what Gauthier is going to become, but i would venture a guess that playing on the 4th line with Mckegg probably isnt the best use of his skillset

 

[Inferno]

Quinn refuses to trust any of the kids in top 6 roles. He just won’t do it. You can’t tell me Kakko shouldn’t be the first option to replace Buchnevich when he went down.

Chytil has yet to play an entire period let alone a game with Panarin as his winger. Why? Why won’t he give that even a look? Chytil is not worse than Strome in his own end and certainly not on the back check. We play Fast on the second line because Quinn knows Strome won’t play a lick of defense and someone has to.

Gauthier is an offensive player he has barely had a sniff off the 4th line. Got a shift with Mika and Panarin and got an assist.

but Quinn rather continue to ride Strome without consequence has DiGi playing top line mins which is absurd. And sticks Howden and Lemieux on the powerplay?


I don’t get it.

Quinn refuses to play the kids....also..why is Quinn playing howden?!

 

[Inferno]

its certainly frustrating. i have no idea what Gauthier is going to become, but i would venture a guess that playing on the 4th line with Mckegg probably isnt the best use of his skillset

Gauthier joined the team and had what..zero practices under him? Doesn't know any systems, comes from a totally different style of hockey in Carolina. Very different game. Honestly starting him off on the 4th makes total sense.

But I do agree... I'd have him I'm over kreider, with that said his first instinct was to.... PUT A f***ING KID THERE IN CHYTIL!!!

 

[Trxjw]

Guess we've found our new whipping boy now that Skjei is gone.

 

[Inferno]

Guess we've found our new whipping boy now that Skjei is gone.

Strome or Quinn? I've been annoyed with strome forever. Like I said elsewhere, I just happen to hate the alternatives more, so I'm keeping quiet. He sucks. He just sucks less than howden and lias.

 

[Trxjw]

Strome or Quinn? I've been annoyed with strome forever. Like I said elsewhere, I just happen to hate the alternatives more, so I'm keeping quiet. He sucks. He just sucks less than howden and lias.

Strome. Quinn gets his own category around here for whatever reason.

 

[Inferno]

Strome. Quinn gets his own category around here for whatever reason.

Yeah I'm an unabashed Quinn fan.

Strome deserves a lot of the gate he gets, but I see no scenario where "just play the kids" makes any sense here.

Howden has been godawful for most of this year, lias isn't on the country anymore, and honestly the only other player is Greg mckegg lol.

Clearly we have zibenajad and chytil. But strome is a clear cut top 4 center on this team by a WIDE margin.

 

[Trxjw]

Yeah I'm an unabashed Quinn fan.

Strome deserves a lot of the gate he gets, but I see no scenario where "just play the kids" makes any sense here.

Howden has been godawful for most of this year, lias isn't on the country anymore, and honestly the only other player is Greg mckegg lol.

Clearly we have zibenajad and chytil. But strome is a clear cut top 4 center on this team by a WIDE margin.

I think he's a clear cut top-2 center on this team by a wide margin. Sure, he takes a lot of stupid penalties and he's getting a production bump from playing with Panarin, but he also has undeniable chemistry with Panarin and is on a 70+ point pace. You typically don't generate that kind of production by riding the coattails of one player.

Chytil hasn't earned a look with Panarin, IMO. He's been good at points, but largely average at best. Kids need to earn their shot, and thankfully Quinn adheres to that.

 

[Kovalev27]

Quinn refuses to play the kids....also..why is Quinn playing howden?!

Howden is his unicorn

 

[Inferno]

I think he's a clear cut top-2 center on this team by a wide margin. Sure, he takes a lot of stupid penalties and he's getting a production bump from playing with Panarin, but he also has undeniable chemistry with Panarin and is on a 70+ point pace. You typically don't generate that kind of production by riding the coattails of one player.

Chytil hasn't earned a look with Panarin, IMO. He's been good at points, but largely average at best. Kids need to earn their shot, and thankfully Quinn adheres to that.

I'd say strome has minimal impact on the game other than when he's putting up points. I'd say chytil has tremendous impact even when he's not putting up points. If we can get strome to be more like chytil or chytil to be more like strome... We'd be much better off.

 

[Blue Blooded]

Kakko has flashes of brilliance, but he also has large stretches where he's even worse than Howden. I don't think he's a good fit for the primary matchup line with Zibanejad.

OTOH he has done well on Panarin and Strome's wing and we already know Fast always plays well with Zibanejad. I'd bump up Fast to Zibanejad's line, Kakko on Panarin's and play Gauthier and Lemieux on Chytil's wings.

Buch-Zib-Fast
Panarin-Strome-Kakko
Lemieux-Chytil-Gauthier
PDG-McKegg-Howden

Lindgren-Fox
DeAngelo-Trouba (Dave pls)
Staal-Smith (LOL)

Although Buch did complain a lot the last time he played LW...

 

[NYSPORTS]

Yeah I'm an unabashed Quinn fan.

Strome deserves a lot of the gate he gets, but I see no scenario where "just play the kids" makes any sense here.

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IMO, the trade deadline sent a confusing message. The kids still aren’t really ready so they kept Veterans around to maintain the chemistry. Does that mean this group is a playoff team? No, likely not. Stop believing if Kreider and Shev were in this would be so much different. The Flyers are a better team than the Rangers and Georgiev has played well.

Want to beat the Flyers and be a legit playoff team? They need Kakko to mature, Kraskov to contribute, Chytil has to start to see the rink (assists?), they need another shooter, maybe a Pajuniemi, on wing to steal goals, more power on the boards (maybe Barron) and can somebody please play solid defense?

Disappointed with the trade deadline besides moving Brady and hope this org stays on course with youth.

 

[Ardi44]

I'd say strome has minimal impact on the game other than when he's putting up points. I'd say chytil has tremendous impact even when he's not putting up points. If we can get strome to be more like chytil or chytil to be more like strome... We'd be much better off.

wait, yesterdays game? or overall?

 

[Kovalev27]

Oh Strome has an impact alright. I’d say the two games against LI and Columbus right before the break, the islanders game last week where he gifted them a point, and last night are all direct losses he’s responsible for.

thats 3 of our last 7 losses directly on him. And a point given to the islanders.

I’ll gladly forfeit a few assists to get a better overall performance out of our second line center. He’s not a guy you win with. Like I said he’s a perfect player for a team like buffalo or Arizona or Edmonton frankly. Ottawa too. Put up points on teams going nowhere. That’s Ryan Strome. He’s certainly not going to do the little things that win you games.

 

[Kovalev27]

And by the way I don’t think Strome is a bad player. He’s obviously talented. And making the most of his opportunity here. What I have a problem with is cheating the game and that’s what he does. And it’s more the coaches fault for allowing it. They could turn this guy into a monster player if he was ever held accountable. Last night was a good first step and one we haven’t seen all year when it comes to him. Quinn needs to be harder on this guy. There’s no way leading the league in minor penalties as a second line center is acceptable. Just isn’t