Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXV: Calm Before the Storm

[Beer League Sniper]

So does Carp know nothing or something? It's hard to keep up because the narrative keeps changing depending which side of this you're on.

Im on the 90% hes gone train now. Either he has to cave or its sayonara.

I’m 100% sure the Rangers leaked that to Carp deliberately. The dude has almost zero inside info, yet comes out with something that makes the Rangers not the bad guy when they trade Kreider tomorrow.

What one side feels is “substantial” might be borderline insulting to the other.

 

[Alluckks]

To me it means the Rangers gave Kreider an offer worth him sleeping on.

I think when you have been with one organization your whole career and you genuinely love it there then whatever the offer is when you are told "this is our final offer" you are going to sleep on it regardless. Even if you knew as soon as you saw it that you should turn it down.

 

[duhmetreE]

if the rumors are true that the rangers are only willing to go 6 years and he wants 7, then hank has nothing to do with it. they clearly think they can make the cap room for next year or the offer wouldn't be out there. making it easier to fit him next year doesn't mean a 7th year suddenly makes sense

to be fair, the national pundits repeat obvious things feigning they know something

 

[Fitzy]

I'm still half expecting a trade tomorrow that has nothing to do with either Kreider or Fast, but I could be wrong.

I suppose "packages" of players attached to either deal could happen as well.

Sending Buchnevich along with Kreider would cripple us at the wing position, so I'm not advocating it, but I see the logic there.

 

[Off Sides]

I read this as whoever BRINKS first. Which also works in a back up the truck kind of way.

More just making fun of Larry's misspelling, not that I should, my writing/grammar is not good.

I'm better at spotting what will become bad contracts.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Just that there more be more to this Hank to colorado thing than we thought

@BBKers suggested he might have more interest than we think.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Just that there more be more to this Hank to colorado thing than we thought

Sources? Or just a feeling?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I'm still half expecting a trade tomorrow that has nothing to do with either Kreider or Fast, but I could be wrong.

I suppose "packages" of players attached to either deal could happen as well.

Sending Buchnevich along with Kreider would cripple us at the wing position, so I'm not advocating it, but I see the logic there.

I've had this feeling for a while.

 

[Crease]

Switching gears, hard to believe the Rangers would trade Hank before he's been given some kind of going away party. I was at the Garden for the Sharks game and there wasn't any inkling in the production that this could be Hank's last night in a Rangers jersey.

 

[offdacrossbar]

it may well be this whole thing is hinging on henrik

the money to resign kreider is there if hank is moved.

CK gets his 6/7.5 deal and this team retains a very important piece.

henrik gets his chance to chase a cup. sadly, and im a huge hank fanboy, i think its too late. both shesty and georgie, at this point, are better than hank is.

maybe he can catch fire and make a run. i just think his ability to steal games or a series, isnt there anymore.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

I'm still half expecting a trade tomorrow that has nothing to do with either Kreider or Fast, but I could be wrong.

I suppose "packages" of players attached to either deal could happen as well.

Sending Buchnevich along with Kreider would cripple us at the wing position, so I'm not advocating it, but I see the logic there.

Honestly, if they're going to not play Hank, I'd love to see him get traded. Don't care about the return, but the guy should be playing somewhere. Assuming of course that Hank is agreeable to it.

 

[Kords]

That would be awful

Not if they trade Skjei to free up the money IMO. Trade from a place of strength and all that jazz. Would depend on Brady's return though of course.

Don't see it happening so it's all hypothetical, but I wouldn't hate it. Just gives CK all the leverage.

 

[JT Kreider]

Colorado is not trading for Lundqvist, that's insanity. They just gave Francouz a 2 year extension and he has 16 wins with a
2.27 GAA and .927 SV%... what more could you possibly ask for from a backup?!?!?!?

Edit of course if Grubauer is out for the year that does change things

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

He has played the best hockey of his career with Zibanejad as his center. Is it worth the extra say $5 million to leave that chemistry behind, both on and off the ice? Kreider is a bright man. Its not as if he wont be able to figure out a 2nd career after his playing days are over, should he need the money. He wont tho.

On the flip side, he’s had the best season of his career with all eyes on him in his walk year, the first and only shot at a massive payoff that he’s worked his entire career towards.

After he retires he’ll hopefully have 50 more years to look back and enjoy it all and live off that final contract.

An extra 5-10 million is hard to walk away from if you really think about the future. These are young guys with a long way to go and being the intelligent man he is I’m sure he realizes you can’t make this type of decision lightly and base it on how well a single year or single chapter of your life has gone.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

If we re-sign Kreider, I think within 3-4 years people will be talking about how awful his contract is. Especially with the NMC/NTC it's almost sure to have. It won't be worth it, plain and simple.

I tend to agree with this. It’s not a coincidence that a lot of non-Ranger fans believe most of the numbers being thrown out for Kreider are absurd

That said I am starting to lean towards them getting this done. Rangers have kinda shown their hand a little, I wouldn’t be shocked to see them cave on the AAV and give him 7x6 with full NMC

 

[UnSandvich]

I tend to agree with this. It’s not a coincidence that a lot of non-Ranger fans believe most of the numbers being thrown out for Kreider are absurd

That said I am starting to lean towards them getting this done. Rangers have kinda shown their hand a little, I wouldn’t be shocked to see them cave on the AAV and give him 7x6 with full NMC

Hard no on that contract from me chief

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Hard no on that contract from me chief

Agreed

I wouldn’t be happy if that’s what happens

 

[PuckLuck3043]

My prediction is this board is going to implode whether he gets traded or not.

 

[mas0764]

Could be that the Rangers gave Kreider until midnight to either take their final offer or walk away. I'm going to be pretty irked if Gorton lets Keator negotiate right up until the deadline. This is why I was hoping they'd set that "take it or leave it" deadline earlier this past week instead of wasting the weekend going back and forth.

You can't let Kreider negotiate up to the deadline. As the article says, gotta move Kreider by giving other teams the ability to put the deal together.

And you'd like to have time to move some other guys as well.

 

[Off Sides]

Any pure UFA contract that is expensive, long term, and has restrictive clauses is almost always bad. Market rate for that is almost never worth it. Teams who do so should be desperate to do so, which is how Skinner gets 9Mx8

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Also what happens with Hank should have no impact on their decision with Kreider imo

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

No movement clauses should be given to ONLY star players. Krieder is not one of them.

 

[mas0764]

Final prediction...

Kreider situation goes beyond 3pm - and he shockingly stays. No trade. No resigning. No assets coming back. Talks promise to resume after the season...Shocking.

No.

They will deal him and promise to talk in the offseason if they want to revisit a contract.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Who’s up for not sleeping at all tonight and going straight to the bell+3 tomorrow ?

:walks to bedroom:

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

You can't let Kreider negotiate up to the deadline. As the article says, gotta move Kreider by giving other teams the ability to put the deal together.

And you'd like to have time to move some other guys as well.

I think the Rangers have a pretty good idea of whats on the table from other teams.

If they don't, the entire front office should be thrown off of the chase bridge.