Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXIX

[Oscar Lindberg]

Are people actually talking about Strome’s OHL numbers?

Who cares? I mean honestly

 

[Irishguy42]

Are people actually talking about Strome’s OHL numbers?

Who cares? I mean honestly

No, we're talking about how skating slow at a few practices means we should pass on him.

Catch up....













...because Strome apparently can't.

 

[SA16]

Weren't there similar things said about Kevin Hayes?

The same thing is said about literally every single slow player who is good at other things.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

The Ryan Strome debates we've seen remind me of the Stepan debates.

"Stepan isn't worth 6m a year" and "We need a better center than Stepan". At the time we had the same problem we have now. Because despite wanting a better center, can we really find one? Free agency is filled with guys like Stastny, not guys like Seguin.

Ryan Strome plays well with Panarin, and there's no guarantee another center can do the same. Panarin hit career highs in points, goals and assists, while playing the least mount of games in a season. And I think Strome deserves some credit for that. He will never be a 1C, but why try to fix what isn't broken?

Now regarding Dylan Strome: He is talented, and sure, he'd be on his 3rd NHL team before turning 24, but hey, so did DeAngelo If we can add Dylan Strome for a package that doesn't hurt us, it could be a great trade for us. D. Strome reminds me a lot of a young Mika Zibanejad.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Thanks. Must be some player to score 2.5 pts/60 over 120 games without being able to skate. Did this scouting report come from the same practices as D’Angelos?

My Minnesota contact tells me yes.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The Ryan Strome debates we've seen remind me of the Stepan debates.

"Stepan isn't worth 6m a year" and "We need a better center than Stepan". At the time we had the same problem we have now. Because despite wanting a better center, can we really find one? Free agency is filled with guys like Stastny, not guys like Seguin.

Ryan Strome plays well with Panarin, and there's no guarantee another center can do the same. Panarin hit career highs in points, goals and assists, while playing the least mount of games in a season. And I think Strome deserves some credit for that. He will never be a 1C, but why try to fix what isn't broken?

Now regarding Dylan Strome: He is talented, and sure, he'd be on his 3rd NHL team before turning 24, but hey, so did DeAngelo If we can add Dylan Strome for a package that doesn't hurt us, it could be a great trade for us. D. Strome reminds me a lot of a young Mika Zibanejad.

The big difference now is that we have a number 1 center in Zib so Strome at 2 is fine for now.

 

[Trxjw]

Strome's top-end speed is garbage but that's something a skilled player can overcome. The question is whether or not a player can adapt his game to use his body to create separation because his feet can't do the job. You can cite a guy like Hayes as a comparison, but he was/is much better at using his body than Strome is right now. If Strome can add strength, improve his body control, and marginally improve his first step, he could be a great player in this league. If he doesn't, there is still enough talent there to be a good player in the NHL with the right mix of line mates.

Sometimes high skill guys are average line drivers but high-end passengers. You can certainly make the argument that Ryan is that kind of player, so perhaps it runs in the family. My real question are where does Dylan fit into the lineup and who is that high-end driver he can play with? Zibanejad is obviously a lock with Kreider. I don't see much point to moving Ryan S. away from Panarin. The Rangers see Chytil as a center. So where does the new Strome fit? Sort of seems like dealing for a player just for the sake of dealing for him.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

The big difference now is that we have a number 1 center in Zib so Strome at 2 is fine for now.

Yes. Strome is a good 2C, and his chemistry with Panarin really puts all the "trade Strome" rumours to rest for me personally. It would be different if he had chemistry with someone we were trading or losing, but Panarin is signed for 6 more years.

Having Strome with Panarin also gives us the option/flexibility to have Zibanejad centering the other line, giving us a good top-6, instead of being a top-heavy line like Dallas had with Benn-Seguin-Radulov.

Spreading the talent only works if you can fill the gaps. And Strome fills the gap perfectly.

 

[Leetch3]

Yes. Strome is a good 2C, and his chemistry with Panarin really puts all the "trade Strome" rumours to rest for me personally. It would be different if he had chemistry with someone we were trading or losing, but Panarin is signed for 6 more years.

Having Strome with Panarin also gives us the option/flexibility to have Zibanejad centering the other line, giving us a good top-6, instead of being a top-heavy line like Dallas had with Benn-Seguin-Radulov.

Spreading the talent only works if you can fill the gaps. And Strome fills the gap perfectly.

to me the only potential issue with strome is his next contract...he put up points this year that he could probably get himself a contract that prices himself out of his roll on our team. my concern is that he'll get a big raise in arbitration and then leave as a UFA cause we can't afford the cap hit...if you could lock him in at a reasonable rate everything else is good.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Sometimes high skill guys are average line drivers but high-end passengers. You can certainly make the argument that Ryan is that kind of player, so perhaps it runs in the family. My real question are where does Dylan fit into the lineup and who is that high-end driver he can play with? Zibanejad is obviously a lock with Kreider. I don't see much point to moving Ryan S. away from Panarin. The Rangers see Chytil as a center. So where does the new Strome fit? Sort of seems like dealing for a player just for the sake of dealing for him.

There's no spot for him on the team unless you force either him or Ryan to move to wing.

There's also the unknown reason he's available, which people seem to be forgetting. The Blackhawks moved a pretty good player for Strome, and now they want to trade him not even 2 full seasons later?

If the reason is he wants a massive raise, so be it, but how are the Rangers going to afford him?

It just doesn't make sense for a guy that doesn't move the needle much for me

to me the only potential issue with strome is his next contract...he put up points this year that he could probably get himself a contract that prices himself out of his roll on our team. my concern is that he'll get a big raise in arbitration and then leave as a UFA cause we can't afford the cap hit...if you could lock him in at a reasonable rate everything else is good.

I'd like to assume they would trade him at the deadline, should it play out this way. You cannot let him walk for nothing

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

to me the only potential issue with strome is his next contract...he put up points this year that he could probably get himself a contract that prices himself out of his roll on our team. my concern is that he'll get a big raise in arbitration and then leave as a UFA cause we can't afford the cap hit...if you could lock him in at a reasonable rate everything else is good.

Cap hit is the only issue I can see. But with Strome, it's something else every time. Last year it was "His shooting percentage is too high". Now that's no longer the case, it's "He's only good because of Panarin" despite Panarin having a career year in every possible way, playing with Strome".

 

[Leetch3]

There's no spot for him on the team unless you force either him or Ryan to move to wing.

There's also the unknown reason he's available, which people seem to be forgetting. The Blackhawks moved a pretty good player for Strome, and now they want to trade him not even 2 full seasons later?

If the reason is he wants a massive raise, so be it, but how are the Rangers going to afford him?

It just doesn't make sense for a guy that doesn't move the needle much for me


I'd like to assume they would trade him at the deadline, should it play out this way. You cannot let him walk for nothing

oh 100% he would be traded...but I just meant we wouldn't be able to keep him beyond next year for cap reasons.

 

[Avery16]

https://nypost.com/2020/04/08/marc-staal-is-a-rangers-relic-who-proved-he-still-belongs/

good read.

 

[Avery16]

Cap hit is the only issue I can see. But with Strome, it's something else every time. Last year it was "His shooting percentage is too high". Now that's no longer the case, it's "He's only good because of Panarin" despite Panarin having a career year in every possible way, playing with Strome".

Is it from playing with Strome or is it from not playing for Tortorella

 

[Avery16]

 

[SA16]

Cap hit is the only issue I can see. But with Strome, it's something else every time. Last year it was "His shooting percentage is too high". Now that's no longer the case, it's "He's only good because of Panarin" despite Panarin having a career year in every possible way, playing with Strome".

It's mostly the absurd amount of stupid penalties he takes. Combined with the fact that I don't believe in paying someone to provide good production next to an elite player when history has shown many players can do that on very cheap deals.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

It's mostly the absurd amount of stupid penalties he takes. Combined with the fact that I don't believe in paying someone to provide good production next to an elite player when history has shown many players can do that on very cheap deals.

Is that why the Penguins paid Guentzel 6m a year? Because it's easy to just get that production off a young cheap player?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Is it from playing with Strome or is it from not playing for Tortorella

What about his years under Quenneville?

 

[SA16]

Is that why the Penguins paid Guentzel 6m a year? Because it's easy to just get that production off a young cheap player?

Jake Guentzel is not some random guy. He was the leading scorer in the AHL at 22 years old before his call up. Yet he got hurt and Bryan Rust replaced him absolutely seamlessly.

 

[Irishguy42]

Guentzel is a much better player than Strome tho...

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Jake Guentzel is not some random guy. He was the leading scorer in the AHL at 22 years old before his call up. Yet he got hurt and Bryan Rust replaced him absolutely seamlessly.

Ryan Strome had 49 points in 37 points in the AHL at age 21, before being called up.

 

[SA16]

Ryan Strome had 49 points in 37 points in the AHL at age 21, before being called up.

Yes that was 7 years ago and before he had four consecutive NHL seasons of 28,30,34,35 points.

Anyway I already did all this work in January - Speculation: - Roster Building Thread: Part XX

If you paid someone to play with Crosby you made a mistake. Everyone who has ever played with him for 300 minutes over a 3 year sample (which is not a lot of minutes) has performed at a first line level. You need to pay guys who are good enough to hold the team afloat if Crosby gets hurt because if he is healthy you can just plug nearly anyone in and get top production.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Guentzel is a much better player than Strome tho...

And Strome has 1 RFA year left, Guentzel had 3. Anyway, the contract that would make sense for Strome, is the Brassard deal we gave him.

5 years at 7.25%, maybe a little less.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Wow. Practices from a few years ago. Before he scored 2.5pts/60 in actual games?

Neat-o.

before he was traded too. Hawks apparently benched him for his lack of hustle and it’s rumored he’s on the block again. Could be another ADA/DuClair as I mentioned earlier yet there is enough evidence not to dismiss the caution.

 

[UnSandvich]

And Strome has 1 RFA year left, Guentzel had 3. Anyway, the contract that would make sense for Strome, is the Brassard deal we gave him.

5 years at 7.25%, maybe a little less.

With the cap probably going to decline or remain stagnant? Hard pass from me chief. 2-3 years 4.5 mil max.