Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXIX

[Maximus]

I agree for the most part but I do believe we’ll need an established #3ish LD if we want to compete while Mika, Panarin, Kreids are all still firing on all cylinders. We have good prospect depth but waiting for two to step in and one to be able to play 20+ minutes for a contender, I’m not sure is the best way to make sure we take advantage of the opportunity we have with Zbad and Panarin being as peak as they are right now. When was the last time we had a duo like this? They’re arguably one of the absolute best duos in the entire NHL based on a lot of metrics this year.

I’m going to go old school but last time Rangers had a duo as lethal as Zbad and Panarin, I’m going to go back to the early to mid 70’s when there were these two guys who most of y’all heard of but likely never saw play cause most of y’all weren’t even born yet, but who were really really good at hockey...Jean Ratelle and Rod Gilbert.

For that era those two were just about the best duo in the league and if not the best, they were at worst in the top 5 in the NHL at the time.

If you don’t believe me, go to YT and watch some highlights of Ranger games from back than and see for yourselves.

But this is Ranger duos all time and, not saying they won’t, but I’d like to see Zbad and Bread do this a few more years before I put them ahead of the Ratelle-Gilbert duo who were simply brilliant for multiple years together.

 

[Avery16]

I'd be interested in Dylan if the price is right. That might be a move they make after other moves though.

I'd love to add the younger Strome. H'es a young, big maybe ppg C. But I dont think Chicago moves him for anything less than an ADA. That puts me in the 'no' camp.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Does it not make anyone else go "hmm" that a rebuilding Chicago team, that has a use for a young player like Strome, is looking to dump him so quickly?

No thanks

 

[Avery16]

Reports that D. Strome is available. I reported a while back that the Dylan Strome for Sorokin trade was a legit trade that was close to happening before Lou pulled the plug. At the time I was positive that Sorokin wouldn’t be an Islander but now it looks like he may come over to them next season. Lou nixed the trade last minute. The Andrew Ladd/Parise deal was very real too, and I know one of Wahlstrom or Sorokin was involved (source said it was a top 3 Isles prospect, doubt Holmstrom was the piece so it was either of the first two.) That trade can still happen in the offseason. DeBrincat also could get moved, he fell off a bit this year. Bowman has built a strange core and could’ve been closer to competing if he rebuilt right

source?

 

[Kovalev27]

I don’t get to watch Chicago much but if he plays a similar game to his brother I know why they want to trade a barely 23 year old center 50 plus pt center and I also know that I wouldn’t touch him with a ten foot pole

 

[RGY]

Reports that D. Strome is available. I reported a while back that the Dylan Strome for Sorokin trade was a legit trade that was close to happening before Lou pulled the plug. At the time I was positive that Sorokin wouldn’t be an Islander but now it looks like he may come over to them next season. Lou nixed the trade last minute. The Andrew Ladd/Parise deal was very real too, and I know one of Wahlstrom or Sorokin was involved (source said it was a top 3 Isles prospect, doubt Holmstrom was the piece so it was either of the first two.) That trade can still happen in the offseason. DeBrincat also could get moved, he fell off a bit this year. Bowman has built a strange core and could’ve been closer to competing if he rebuilt right

While not knowing the whole deal, if Lou added one of their top prospects to Ladd, just to get an aging Parise, he should be chased out NY with pitchforks. But hey I certainly wouldnt complain as a Rangers fan if he stayed since it would just mean more of the demise for that organization.

I would be sniff around on Dylan Strome and Debrincat, but I am not too keen on them. More interested in Debrincat out of the two. But I would prefer to find a forward that plays a heavier game if we are going to trade assets for someone. Not saying he would be the exact guy we could get, but Matt Tkachuk is the exact type id be looking to add.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Does it not make anyone else go "hmm" that a rebuilding Chicago team, that has a use for a young player like Strome, is looking to dump him so quickly?

No thanks

I don't think Chicago is really a rebuilding team. I don't know if you can be when you have two guys taking up 20 million on the roster for that many years.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I don't think Chicago is really a rebuilding team. I don't know if you can be when you have two guys taking up 20 million on the roster for that many years.

I mean they’ve had a top 10 pick the last 3 drafts. If Bowman could move those contracts they would have absolutely blown it up and started over

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I don’t get to watch Chicago much but if he plays a similar game to his brother I know why they want to trade a barely 23 year old center 50 plus pt center and I also know that I wouldn’t touch him with a ten foot pole

This is what one of the guys wrote in the Blackhawks forum about Strome, and there are a bunch of similar assesments

Strome is offensively gifted, but being that slow, defensively inept, and soft as butter means he isn’t a core guy.

He's a younger clone of Ryan

Seriously, no thanks

 

[Avery16]

Before we waste a whole lot of time dissecting Dylan Strome, I haven't found any report or rumor that he's available, and the OP cited unnamed "Reports".

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Before we waste a whole lot of time dissecting Dylan Strome, I haven't found any report or rumor that he's available, and the OP cited unnamed "Reports".

Friedman said it on a local radio hit multiple times, how much of a better source do you want?

 

[charliemurphy]

Anybody hear anything on Niklas Jensen? Lose him in July unless we bring him in over. Would love to somehow get Lehtonen over too but can't see that happening.

 

[Avery16]

Friedman said it on a local radio hit multiple times, how much of a better source do you want?

Sure, thats good. I dont listen to the radio and I saw no cite to Friedman.

 

[Avery16]

Anybody hear anything on Niklas Jensen? Lose him in July unless we bring him in over. Would love to somehow get Lehtonen over too but can't see that happening.

I liked Jensen and dont know why we didnt bring him back. According to Capfriendly, we lost his rights when he turned 27, which was last month.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Anybody hear anything on Niklas Jensen? Lose him in July unless we bring him in over. Would love to somehow get Lehtonen over too but can't see that happening.

He is signed until 2021, so unless Jokerit terminates his contract, he can't sign with us before his rights epire

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I liked Jensen and dont know why we didnt bring him back. According to Capfriendly, we lost his rights when he turned 27, which was last month.

You lose the rights on July 1st, not mid-season

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I mean they’ve had a top 10 pick the last 3 drafts. If Bowman could move those contracts they would have absolutely blown it up and started over

Even though they've had top 10 picks, they haven't been trying to have top 10 picks, and if not for winning the lottery they would have picked a 15th I believe. They haven't really acted as a team not trying to make the playoffs in order to get higher draft picks, there really hasn't been a sell off of players they can move either. As other's have said, they have cap issues. I'm not worried about them wanting to trade Dylan at this point, and even if, as Freidman said, the cost isn't likely to be prohibitive.

 

[Avery16]

You lose the rights on July 1st, not mid-season

New York Rangers Reserve List - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

"27 y.o birthday"

 

[Mac n Gs]

Well they're in a bad cap situation, so that plays a big role. Kubalik had a heck of a year and needs a new contract, as does Strome. They also love Dach.

I would imagine Strome is asking for a relatively pricey 2nd contract. He's a tremendously talented offensive player, but he's made little to no progress in his skating since he was drafted. He's also a mess in his own end. I could see the Rangers maybe being interested to see if they could help him grow in the way they helped his brother, but when we already have Ryan and Chytil in those middle-six spots, I'm not sure where he fits.

Debrincat is a head scratcher, but maybe they're just looking for a salary swap for a similar player at a different position. They could also just be trying to kick him in the ass for next year. They gave him that pretty big 3 year deal in October and he came crashing back down to earth this season.

True, but having Seabrook being on LTIR-etirement should help them pretty significantly moving forward. It's a tight situation, but I definitely think it'll be manageable moving forward. You're probably right about Strome's second contract demands, but I can see them squeezing him out a bit since he's still a year away from arbitration. As to the fit, I could see him or his brother, assuming he's still here, sliding over to the W. Unlikely, I know, but he does seem like the perfect type of forward to buy on before he hits his prime, and if anything, he's a good insurance policy to for our other centers.

Plus, I know this type of move isn't going to happen. If Chicago were smart, they'd look to move past Colliton. They've gotten significantly worse under him, and I don't see them turning it around any time soon.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

New York Rangers Reserve List - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

"27 y.o birthday"

Rights until June 30th. Will be UFA on July 1st

 

[Ishtabeat]

source?

My own source. I’ve posted all that info a while ago and it’s not exactly breaking news, it’s pretty public

 

[eco's bones]

I’m going to go old school but last time Rangers had a duo as lethal as Zbad and Panarin, I’m going to go back to the early to mid 70’s when there were these two guys who most of y’all heard of but likely never saw play cause most of y’all weren’t even born yet, but who were really really good at hockey...Jean Ratelle and Rod Gilbert.

For that era those two were just about the best duo in the league and if not the best, they were at worst in the top 5 in the NHL at the time.

If you don’t believe me, go to YT and watch some highlights of Ranger games from back than and see for yourselves.

But this is Ranger duos all time and, not saying they won’t, but I’d like to see Zbad and Bread do this a few more years before I put them ahead of the Ratelle-Gilbert duo who were simply brilliant for multiple years together.

One main difference though is Ratelle and Gilbert were almost always on the same line (or at least until we traded Ratelle to Boston) and I'm not sure that they would have been effective as Panarin and Zibanejad are on separate lines. To me both Mika and Artemi can drive lines and we're better off with them separated except for when they play together on the power play. Rod and Jean also had that chemistry that went back to when they were 15 year olds. That was also part of what made them an effective line.

The Rangers offense is going to get awesome when Kakko starts to really put it together. I also think Kreider has several really good years left and that Buch is getting better and better too. Chytil is another one. The Rangers could have three really strong scoring lines in the next year or two.

Fox, Lindgren, Trouba, DeAngelo, Lundkvist, Miller for D and Shesterkin and Georgiev in net. This team should be a contender in two/three years.

 

[charliemurphy]

He is signed until 2021, so unless Jokerit terminates his contract, he can't sign with us before his rights epire

Do you know of or have heard of any NHL teams that will pursue Lehtonen after next season? I would be very interested if I was Gorton.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Do you know of or have heard of any NHL teams that will pursue Lehtonen after next season? I would be very interested if I was Gorton.

Lehtonen is also signed until 2021. With Jokerit leaving Liiga and joining the KHL, their players are subject to the same restrictions in terms of contracts. No transfer agreement

 

[Maximus]

One main difference though is Ratelle and Gilbert were almost always on the same line (or at least until we traded Ratelle to Boston) and I'm not sure that they would have been effective as Panarin and Zibanejad are on separate lines. To me both Mika and Artemi can drive lines and we're better off with them separated except for when they play together on the power play. Rod and Jean also had that chemistry that went back to when they were 15 year olds. That was also part of what made them an effective line.

The Rangers offense is going to get awesome when Kakko starts to really put it together. I also think Kreider has several really good years left and that Buch is getting better and better too. Chytil is another one. The Rangers could have three really strong scoring lines in the next year or two.
Fox, Lindgren, Trouba, DeAngelo, Lundkvist, Miller for D and Shesterkin and Georgiev in net. This team should be a contender in two/three years.

I have not a doubt in my mind as well Rangers will be Cup contenders 2-3 years from now. This year until the stoppage, it was pretty much a given that even if we missed the playoffs, we were about a year ahead of schedule.

Some tinkering here and there over the offseason by GMJG and and the anticipated progressions of the Kakko's, Chytil's,Igor's and the influx of youth of the Millers,Kravtsov's, Lindqvists....etc all being led by Panarin,Zbad,Kreider,Trouba,DeAngelo, yeah I mean how can you not be excited about where this team is headed.

As far a Ratelle and Gilbert, yes they played on the same line and on same PP unit for pretty much their entire Ranger careers but if you are talking duo's, no matter how you slice and dice it, that to me are the two best players Rangers have ever had at same time for multiple years. I'd anticipate another year or two from now I'll be singing a different tune when it comes to Bread and Zbad but for now, Jean and Rod are my top Ranger duo of all time.