Speculation: Roster Building Thread XII

[duhmetreE]

Jones, 15 + one of Henriksson, Gauthier or Pajuniemi for Dvorak
Strome for Minn 1st;
Buch for Holloway
Something light for McNabb

Panarin Dvorak Kravtsov
Lafreniere Zibs Kakko
Kreider Chytil Goodrow
Barron Holloway Rooney

Lindgren Fox
KAM Trouba
McNabb Lundkvist

 

[jay from jersey]

Jones + 15 for Dvorak starting point

I dont know why but his offensive game reminds me of Geuntzel. Will pair very well with our elite playmakers

He goes to the scoring areas, no one can get him the puck. I found it Odd that Tocchet wouldn’t put him with Garland. But obviously he’s thinking..,,.. I don’t know what the hell hes thinking

 

[jay from jersey]

Dvorak isn't really the guy I'd be pursuing. I honestly think if we're moving on from Strome or Zib we have to know for sure what we are getting. I mean Strome and Panarin work great together and we know what Zibby brings when healthy. Dvorak is still kind of an unknown with a possibility of getting better or worse. Nothing will kill this rebuild faster than adding centers that aren't as good as the ones they are replacing.

stromes chemistry with breadman is def noted. However, Dvorak literally does everything else better then strome at hockey other then points at this current time. Panarin has been a best whoever he’s played with. I find it hard to believe he wouldn’t mesh well with Dvorak.
Say you get a 10-15 pt decline in Panarins numbers and Dvo tops out as a 60 pt C, but overall the line plays better and is harder to play against. Is that a bad thing? I think it makes us a better team in the long run.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

I can’t see any way possible Arizona takes Strome in any deal. You really think he’s gonna sign there after next season? They’d want somebody young and controlled and/or picks.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I know your one of the posters who at least sees the potential Dvorak has and doesn’t call him a 2-3 tweener. That situation in Arizona is an absolute dumpster fire. Tocchet did everything he could to hinder offense.
Working OT a lot of nights, I got to watch a lot of Yotes games. Every time the guy was on the ice it resulted in a positive impact for the team. It wasn’t always a goal or something that showed up on the stat sheet, but it stood out.
Since Tippet left their offensive scheme has been utter garbage and the team is in disarray.
When talking about the guys we’d love to acquire for 2c duties, Lindholm, Cirelli, Larkin etc. The only one that I see that is head and shoulders above DVo is a Eichel, and that’s not even disputable.
He’s a North American Kid that plays a relentless style and is very defensively responsible. He’s good on faceoffs and he’s got a nose for the net.
If you can get him out of that environment where he’s dying a slow death just like Eichel, he would absolutely thrive. That’s why I make the Lindholm comparisons to him. When Lindholm left the canes and was paired with elite offensive players his numbers took off. I see similar parallels to Dvorak. I think he’d be an ideal candidate to center panarin and kakko/Kravtsov
The cost of getting him would be far lower then the players stated above and the risk/reward factor is high. He’s not old, signed to a solid deal and has every attribute we are looking for in a 2C. I would love a Zibanejad-Dvorak-Chytil top 3. Have Goodrow play 3rd line wing where the majority of his success came in Tampa.
Drury should be all over this if Eichel/Larkin seem like a bridge too far.

PS Dvorak, Garland, Chychrun, and Crouse were guys I always noticed that stood out in Yotes games. To me anyway. If anyone has a minute, YouTube Crouse/Soucy after soucy goes after Garland. And tell me you wouldn’t love that from our 4th line wing. If the NHL isn’t policing hits to the head on talented guys, players must police the game.

Would love Crouse along with Dvorak, a lot of boxes get checked

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Nils for Dvo, straight up.

Fight me.

 

[bobbop]

Jones, 15 + one of Henriksson, Gauthier or Pajuniemi for Dvorak
Strome for Minn 1st;
Buch for Holloway
Something light for McNabb

Panarin Dvorak Kravtsov
Lafreniere Zibs Kakko
Kreider Chytil Goodrow
Barron Holloway Rooney

Lindgren Fox
KAM Trouba
McNabb Lundkvist

Arizona wants picks.

 

[RGY]

Nils for Dvo, straight up.

Fight me.

That is straight up awful

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

That is straight up awful

2nd line center signed for 4 more years at good money?

Like how good do you think Nils is? He isn't Fox.

People have no issue throwing Jones into trades. The gap between him and Nils isn't that big.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

If its only picks give me Dvorak for sure.. We already have too many prospects to find a spot as is

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I said it once and I'll say it again, Panarin can play with pretty much any center in the league that has any kind of talent at all.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Arizona wants picks.

As in just picks, or young prospects too?.. I'll give em picks all day long

I'd offer the Pageau trade, and they dont even need to be conditional picks

 

[duhmetreE]

Arizona wants picks.

So be it

 

[duhmetreE]

Nils for Dvo, straight up.

Fight me.

It wont be necessary

 

[nyrage]

Not exactly breaking news, but Friedman wrote the following:

• One situation to watch: Pavel Buchnevich, Rangers. Arbitration eligible. UFA next summer. Too expensive to keep? Other teams like him.


He also speculated that Seattle may think about reuniting the Gourde-Goodrow-Coleman line

That's not what he wrote. He said the non-Price question that was asked the most today was do you think Seattle would try to re-unite that line. He didn't offer up an opinion on it either.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

There would probably be a slew of suitors for Buchnevich if Rangers make him available.

 

[SA16]

Dvorak is not great, signed forever, moderately pricy for his production, and a bad fit with panarin since he’s way more of a playmaker than a goal scorer. I have very little interest. I don’t think he’s better than Chytil right now either.

 

[jay from jersey]

So be it

I’d deal strome for a 1st. And then trade that 1st+ 15OVA for Dvorak 7 days a week. And keep our prospects

 

[jay from jersey]

Would love Crouse along with Dvorak, a lot of boxes get checked

Both guys add some more North American flavor to the line up to go with LaF, Goodrow etc. even though Dvorak is smaller physically then Chytil, he doesn’t shy away from contact. He’s pretty tenacious

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

There would probably be a slew of suitors for Buchnevich if Rangers make him available.

I've long felt that both he and Strome were goners this offseason.

The one problem I have with trading Buch is that I don't think a futures return is really the way to go there, unless you're using those pieces to fill another hole. Being a year long rental, I don't think anyone is giving up anything other than prospects/picks or a player in a similar situation. I don't know that there is anyone in the same situation who would realistically be available who I'd rather have. Maybe Copp, but someone pointed out in an earlier thread that Winnipeg is already pretty deep at RW and it looks like they're working towards keeping him around.

Also Crouse is terrible people.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Not exactly breaking news, but Friedman wrote the following:

• One situation to watch: Pavel Buchnevich, Rangers. Arbitration eligible. UFA next summer. Too expensive to keep? Other teams like him.


He also speculated that Seattle may think about reuniting the Gourde-Goodrow-Coleman line

Hope they do, save us from ourselves.

 

[jay from jersey]

Dvorak is not great, signed forever, moderately pricy for his production, and a bad fit with panarin since he’s way more of a playmaker than a goal scorer. I have very little interest. I don’t think he’s better than Chytil right now either.

How do you figure that he was pacing 25-27 goals this year. With minimal help to get him the puck. He’s signed for 4 years at 4.5 could wind up being a steal.
And he’s def better then Chytil right now. In the future maybe chytil gets his consistency and becomes the better overall player, but he doesn’t really do anything better then Dvo at this point in time

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

The thing with Dvorak is another 15 to 20 points playing with Panarin and thats about 60 points with better 2 way play than Strome, a much cheaper contract than Strome will sign, better on face offs, and younger.

There is no perfect solution out there. Any move they make from Eichel to the lowest (Chytil as 2C) is going to be a risk.

 

[jay from jersey]

I've long felt that both he and Strome were goners this offseason.

The one problem I have with trading Buch is that I don't think a futures return is really the way to go there, unless you're using those pieces to fill another hole. Being a year long rental, I don't think anyone is giving up anything other than prospects/picks or a player in a similar situation. I don't know that there is anyone in the same situation who would realistically be available who I'd rather have. Maybe Copp, but someone pointed out in an earlier thread that Winnipeg is already pretty deep at RW and it looks like they're working towards keeping him around.

Also Crouse is terrible people.

agree on the Buch return. I think people are expecting to get too much from him. Plus wing is the most abundant position to trade for from the start.
Agree to disagree on Crouse though

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

How do you figure that he was pacing 25-27 goals this year. With minimal help to get him the puck. He’s signed for 4 years at 4.5 could wind up being a steal.
And he’s def better then Chytil right now. In the future maybe chytil gets his consistency and becomes the better overall player, but he doesn’t really do anything better then Dvo at this point in time

Thats not a reason to trade Chytil for him. The point is for him to replace Strome, not Chytil.