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Speculation: Roster Building Thread XII

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user26 said:
I can’t see Ott trading Pinto without a package for a 1C in return.
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well Strome the last few years has played like at least a 1B center. Now whether they would sign him or not I dont know. but he might provide some veteran leadership for the young team they have going forward
 
LaffyTaffyNYR said:
well Strome the last few years has played like at least a 1B center. Now whether they would sign him or not I dont know. but he might provide some veteran leadership for the young team they have going forward
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Oh definitely I agree. Who knows if they would sign him with Melnyk but he would provide the leadership. But I definitely think an Ottawa offer would be outbid
 
bobbop said:
What do you guys think about Logan Brown? I don’t know the player.
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Weird situation in Ottawa. Fans want to see him play more in Ott but he’s kept in the AHL. Keeps getting injured too. Looked ok when he’s up though. Has potential but he’s fallen out of favour with some form of management in Ott. Honestly surprised they protected him and he isnt traded yet.
 
user26 said:
Oh definitely I agree. Who knows if they would sign him with Melnyk but he would provide the leadership. But I definitely think an Ottawa offer would be outbid
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Well it doesn't have to be Ottawa, we can find a 3rd partner. I like the parameters and idea. I really think Dvorak would thrive here like Zibanejad and Strome both did (especially if he's playing with Panarin)
 
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Apparently there are Goodrows and Rooneys we can pick up for cheaper in FA. Who are these guys?
 
bobbop said:
What do you guys think about Logan Brown? I don’t know the player.
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Not a player to center a package on, but I guess if the quality of the player is low, then the quality/position of the pick attached to them could be higher.

Depends on the other teams that are interested in Strome.
 
jay from jersey said:
Yea ARI is going to want some sort of center back just to play out the year. It’s obvious, to me anyway if they plan on not resigning Garland( heart and soul) they are going into full tank mode for Wright/Bedard.
I highly doubt Dvorak is as untouchable as some people think. Even their own fans
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Three months ago I was one of those people telling you Dvorak was untouchable. That’s what I had been told.

Not now.

What I do know is that the Coyotes owner is cash poor, wants the GM to cut payroll close to the floor and hope he can hold on until he either gets a new building (unlikely) or a gambling license (probable) for the existing arena.

Everything that is not nailed down is being shopped, office staff has been paired and morale sucks. Dvorak is available. The price will be steep but not impossible. Probably three assets…two high draft picks and a top prospect.

If he’s the best choice, the deal is probably there to be made.
 
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Machinehead said:
Ok, we should do that.
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Why not trade Strome and replace him with a defensive Center via free agency? It’s not like we need to replace stromes offensive numbers.

i hope what Drury is trying to do is build a very deep 4 line team. That doesn’t necessarily mean 4 really good centers. It means 4 lines that can go out there and be positive for the team. Wether they are a checking line or scoring line it doesn’t matter as long as they are helping the team not hurting them. Maybe something along the lines of

Laf-Zib-buch
Panarin-Chytil-Kakko
Kreider-Goodrow/UFA-Krav
Goat/Blackwell-Goodrow/UFA-Rooney/Barron

Fox-Trouba
Lindgren-Miller
Really don’t know at this point

Igor.


Does it look great on paper? Nope. But it provides depth and a good mix of play styles. I don’t think we need another super star or another top tier center. I think we need to provide relief to the top 6 so that these guys can play their best hockey without having the pressure of being the only good line we have.
 
LaffyTaffyNYR said:
Then we would have to replace it with Chytil.. AZ is gonna want futures somehow
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What? Now we're just going backwards.

Dvorak isn't worth Chytil, Strome, and another middling prospect lol.

Something around Strome and a prospect for Dvorak is doable with perhaps a conditional pick attached going to Arizona from the Rangers.
 
bobbop said:
Three months ago I was one of those people telling you Dvorak was untouchable. That’s what I had been told.

Not now.

What I do know is that the Coyotes owner is cash poor, wants the GM to cut payroll close to the floor and hope he can hold on until he either gets a new building (unlikely) or a gambling license (probable) for the existing arena.

Everything that is not nailed down is being shopped, office staff has been paired and morale sucks. Dvorak is available. The price will be steep but not impossible. Probably three assets…two high draft picks and a top prospect.

If he’s the best choice, the deal is probably there to be made.
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so whats a realistic return do you think from the Rangers?
 
bobbop said:
Three months ago I was one of those people telling you Dvorak was untouchable. That’s what I had been told.

Not now.

What I do know is that the Coyotes owner is cash poor, wants the GM to cut payroll close to the floor and hope he can hold on until he either gets a new building (unlikely) or a gambling license (probable) for the existing arena.

Everything that is not nailed down is being shopped, office staff has been paired and morale sucks. Dvorak is available. The price will be steep but not impossible. Probably three assets…two high draft picks and a top prospect.

If he’s the best choice, the deal is probably there to be made.
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I know your one of the posters who at least sees the potential Dvorak has and doesn’t call him a 2-3 tweener. That situation in Arizona is an absolute dumpster fire. Tocchet did everything he could to hinder offense.
Working OT a lot of nights, I got to watch a lot of Yotes games. Every time the guy was on the ice it resulted in a positive impact for the team. It wasn’t always a goal or something that showed up on the stat sheet, but it stood out.
Since Tippet left their offensive scheme has been utter garbage and the team is in disarray.
When talking about the guys we’d love to acquire for 2c duties, Lindholm, Cirelli, Larkin etc. The only one that I see that is head and shoulders above DVo is a Eichel, and that’s not even disputable.
He’s a North American Kid that plays a relentless style and is very defensively responsible. He’s good on faceoffs and he’s got a nose for the net.
If you can get him out of that environment where he’s dying a slow death just like Eichel, he would absolutely thrive. That’s why I make the Lindholm comparisons to him. When Lindholm left the canes and was paired with elite offensive players his numbers took off. I see similar parallels to Dvorak. I think he’d be an ideal candidate to center panarin and kakko/Kravtsov
The cost of getting him would be far lower then the players stated above and the risk/reward factor is high. He’s not old, signed to a solid deal and has every attribute we are looking for in a 2C. I would love a Zibanejad-Dvorak-Chytil top 3. Have Goodrow play 3rd line wing where the majority of his success came in Tampa.
Drury should be all over this if Eichel/Larkin seem like a bridge too far.

PS Dvorak, Garland, Chychrun, and Crouse were guys I always noticed that stood out in Yotes games. To me anyway. If anyone has a minute, YouTube Crouse/Soucy after soucy goes after Garland. And tell me you wouldn’t love that from our 4th line wing. If the NHL isn’t policing hits to the head on talented guys, players must police the game. Would love for Crouse to do that to Wilson, and he’s big enough and mean enough to do it. I bet Tommy boy would think twice about rag dolling one of our stars again.
 
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I Eat Crow said:
What? Now we're just going backwards.

Dvorak isn't worth Chytil, Strome, and another middling prospect lol.

Something around Strome and a prospect for Dvorak is doable with perhaps a conditional pick attached going to Arizona from the Rangers.
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no if you take out 15, its probably Chytil +.. Strome goes in another deal.
 
Chytilmania said:
Apparently there are Goodrows and Rooneys we can pick up for cheaper in FA. Who are these guys?
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If we're playing money puck, I like Pierre Bellemare, Mattias Janmark, Derek Ryan, Matt Calvert, Joel Armia, Jordan Martinook, Luke Glendening, Erik Haula, Tomas Nosek, Freddy Gaudreau, and even an Artem Anisimov reunion. All of these guys either add PK'ing ability and/or some truculence to the line up and will all come in cheaper than Goodrow and Coleman.
 
bobbop said:
Three months ago I was one of those people telling you Dvorak was untouchable. That’s what I had been told.

Not now.

What I do know is that the Coyotes owner is cash poor, wants the GM to cut payroll close to the floor and hope he can hold on until he either gets a new building (unlikely) or a gambling license (probable) for the existing arena.

Everything that is not nailed down is being shopped, office staff has been paired and morale sucks. Dvorak is available. The price will be steep but not impossible. Probably three assets…two high draft picks and a top prospect.

If he’s the best choice, the deal is probably there to be made.
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Jones + 15 for Dvorak starting point

I dont know why but his offensive game reminds me of Geuntzel. Will pair very well with our elite playmakers
 
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Not exactly breaking news, but Friedman wrote the following:

• One situation to watch: Pavel Buchnevich, Rangers. Arbitration eligible. UFA next summer. Too expensive to keep? Other teams like him.


He also speculated that Seattle may think about reuniting the Gourde-Goodrow-Coleman line
 
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Richard Banger said:
Why not trade Strome and replace him with a defensive Center via free agency? It’s not like we need to replace stromes offensive numbers.

i hope what Drury is trying to do is build a very deep 4 line team. That doesn’t necessarily mean 4 really good centers. It means 4 lines that can go out there and be positive for the team. Wether they are a checking line or scoring line it doesn’t matter as long as they are helping the team not hurting them. Maybe something along the lines of

Laf-Zib-buch
Panarin-Chytil-Kakko
Kreider-Goodrow/UFA-Krav
Goat/Blackwell-Goodrow/UFA-Rooney/Barron

Fox-Trouba
Lindgren-Miller
Really don’t know at this point

Igor.


Does it look great on paper? Nope. But it provides depth and a good mix of play styles. I don’t think we need another super star or another top tier center. I think we need to provide relief to the top 6 so that these guys can play their best hockey without having the pressure of being the only good line we have.
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If can get Kreider to be, you know, Kreider, him on the 3rd line is pretty impressive.
 
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Dvorak isn't really the guy I'd be pursuing. I honestly think if we're moving on from Strome or Zib we have to know for sure what we are getting. I mean Strome and Panarin work great together and we know what Zibby brings when healthy. Dvorak is still kind of an unknown with a possibility of getting better or worse. Nothing will kill this rebuild faster than adding centers that aren't as good as the ones they are replacing.
 
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