Speculation: Roster Building Thread XII

[Machinehead]

Of course it would, but we've been linked to at least 2 center who are better defensively AND offensively than strome. We also have Chytil who has more offensive upside than strome, and could probably be better defensively with work.
I dont get why the answer is ONLY goodrow, we've got a window in which 3 players in our top 6 are on ELC's and hopefully next year producing what we expect them to.
We can improve the team by more than just goodrow.

Ok, we should do that.

 

[CLW]

No, Goodrow is great defensively. He just doesn't have that reputation because you need lots of points to have a reputation as a great defensive player. Hockey, not even once.

Hell, Goodrow was a great defensive player on San Jose before he got put on that line.

Panarin WANTS a winger that does nothing but chase pucks. He asked for it. He's had two Hart-caliber seasons for the Rangers. Why the f*** are we arguing with him?

I would rather it be Goodrow because if it's not, it'll be Blackwell or Brodzinski. Panarin doesn't want to play with Kakko.

If/when Strome is traded Panarin's line will look different.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Larry should have some nuggets for us tomorrow

Does he not work weekends like Drury?

 

[duhmetreE]

Chicken nuggets?!

some delicious tendies

 

[Machinehead]

If/when Strome is traded Panarin's line will look different.

Without Strome, we might put Panarin with a puck-chasing center. Either way, he wants a grinder on his line and it makes sense to me. I agree with him.

I don't see any scenario where the Rangers do all three of signing Goodrow, keeping Buchnevich, and keeping Strome, so we'll see what happens.

I also think there's a strong possibility the Rangers shift somebody to center and Goodrow is a good candidate.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Without Strome, we might put Panarin with a puck-chasing center. Either way, he wants a grinder on his line and it makes sense to me. I agree with him.

I don't see any scenario where the Rangers do all three of signing Goodrow, keeping Buchnevich, and keeping Strome, so we'll see what happens.

I also think there's a strong possibility the Rangers shift somebody to center and Goodrow is a good candidate.

Surprisingly I entirely agree with you on that theres no chance we keep buch, strome and goodrow. I see both strome and buch gone, as they dont make sense long term. So then moving both you have an additional 8m long term to play with. Thats the price of a top 6 puck chasing + scoring center.

 

[Machinehead]

Surprisingly I entirely agree with you on that theres no chance we keep buch, strome and goodrow. I see both strome and buch gone, as they dont make sense long term. So then moving both you have an additional 8m long term to play with. Thats the price of a top 6 puck chasing + scoring center.

If it were me, and it's not me, I would trade Strome for a LHD. McNabb is available from Vegas and Strome actually makes sense for Vegas. Then I would just slide Goodrow over and there's Panarin's toy.

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Panarin-Goodrow-Kakko
Kreider-Chytil-Kravtsov
4th line whatever

Miller-Fox (fight me)
Lindgren-Trouba
McNabb-Lundkvist

If we're any good, I self-rent Buchnevich. If we're not that good, sell him at the deadline.

 

[Avery16]

I’d be fine with Halak as a 1B for the right price

 

[IDvsEGO]

If it were me, and it's not me, I would trade Strome for a LHD. McNabb is available from Vegas and Strome actually makes sense for Vegas. Then I would just slide Goodrow over and there's Panarin's toy.

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Panarin-Goodrow-Kakko
Kreider-Chytil-Kravtsov
4th line whatever

Miller-Fox (fight me)
Lindgren-Trouba
McNabb-Lundkvist

If we're any good, I self-rent Buchnevich. If we're not that good, sell him at the deadline.

Mcnabb for strome? 1:1? jesus thats a terrible move.

I'd move strome for prospects or something, long term we're likely about to move some big pieces in our system for a center, so might as well recoup some long term assets. Take a risk on someone who had a poor d+1 or something.
Self renting is a bad idea. If you can't make the playoffs with the assets without the rental, then you shouldn't be holding them in the first place.

 

[Machinehead]

Halak is the weirdest player ever.

I've never seen a player with better numbers that nobody wants.

He's basically an elite goalie and also a career backup.

It probably has to do with being 5'10" in era where goalies are 6'12".

 

[Machinehead]

Mcnabb for strome? 1:1? jesus thats a terrible move.

I'd move strome for prospects or something, long term we're likely about to move some big pieces in our system for a center, so might as well recoup some long term assets. Take a risk on someone who had a poor d+1 or something.
Self renting is a bad idea. If you can't make the playoffs with the assets without the rental, then you shouldn't be holding them in the first place.

Did I say 1:1?

I'm not talking about self-renting to make the playoffs, I'm talking about self-renting if we're in a first round home-ice position.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Halak would be an excellent signing if he comes in under $2 million.

 

[Synergy27]

The thing I just can’t wrap my head around is what people saw in Blackwell to call him a grinder. He hustles. He has a good shot. He also spends an inordinate amount of time on his ass, isn’t particularly effective on the boards, and doesn’t wear down opposing defenseman.

He’s a not good enough top 6 wing that’s nice to have around in case of injury. He’s not Fast, or Goodrow.

 

[Taluss]

Who do we like from Ottawa? Or is it just picks? They got plenty of 2nd rounders.

This is interesting for me as someone who lives in both NYC/Ottawa half the year and follows both teams closely. I don’t understand how Ottawa can make an offer here that makes sense for NY or themselves. Like Norris and Pinto will be out of bounds I’d imagine. The 1st will be in play, but Strome can (and prob would) walk from Ottawa next year so is it worth it? Idk. I’d think that other teams can definitely beat an Ottawa offer.

Saying that reading though this thread I’ve noticed Edge has mentioned Ottawa has been interested in him for a bit… so maybe they will do something surprising. I cant think of a deal that would make sense though.

Edit: As an extra though Stome’s playstyle would fit Ottawa. But his contract and age doesn’t… another reason I’m kinda confused.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Did I say 1:1?

I'm not talking about self-renting to make the playoffs, I'm talking about self-renting if we're in a first round home-ice position.

You shouldn't even go into a season with a player of that caliber heading to UFA if you can really help it.
Mika is a great example, if he's not going to extend for the number we want/need, then we do need to move him before the season starts. Self renting costs you assets and runs risks of making a good team worse the next year simply because you held on to something for too long.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I suspect the Rangers already kinda know what Zibanejad is looking for and that will ultimately play a factor in how much they go after JE.

 

[Machinehead]

The thing I just can’t wrap my head around is what people saw in Blackwell to call him a grinder. He hustles. He has a good shot. He also spends an inordinate amount of time on his ass, isn’t particularly effective on the boards, and doesn’t wear down opposing defenseman.

He’s a not good enough top 6 wing that’s nice to have around in case of injury. He’s not Fast, or Goodrow.

I agree, actually.

But then again most coaches equate "this guy sucks" with "this guy is grinder" so I don't expect Panarin to know the difference.

What Blackwell does do is he'll defer to Panarin to make the play. That's what Panarin wants. He wants to be the guy carrying the puck most of the time.

Crosby is the same way. Pittsburgh hasn't shackled him with grinders most of the time because they're just that dumb. It's because Crosby asks for that.

They finally found a guy in Guentzel who lets Crosby have the puck and also doesn't suck.

That's why I wanna move Goodrow to center and let Kakko be the Guentzel.

 

[IDvsEGO]

The thing I just can’t wrap my head around is what people saw in Blackwell to call him a grinder. He hustles. He has a good shot. He also spends an inordinate amount of time on his ass, isn’t particularly effective on the boards, and doesn’t wear down opposing defenseman.

He’s a not good enough top 6 wing that’s nice to have around in case of injury. He’s not Fast, or Goodrow.

He's not really a grinder and more of a "chaser/plug" he hustles and that is sometimes used mistakenly for a grinder.

 

[Machinehead]

You shouldn't even go into a season with a player of that caliber heading to UFA if you can really help it.
Mika is a great example, if he's not going to extend for the number we want/need, then we do need to move him before the season starts. Self renting costs you assets and runs risks of making a good team worse the next year simply because you held on to something for too long.

Teams actually pay more at the deadline. So yes, you should go into the season with them.

 

[JohnC]

Lord Jesus, I’m game to open up the wallet for Coleman, but $4x6 for Goodrow? Gonna have to be a hard pas from me.

That’s some Vancouver tier dumbf***ery.

 

[jay from jersey]

Could this 3 way trade work?..

Ottawa - Strome
Arizona - Pinto, 15 overall, maybe a lesser D prospect like Rykov, Hajek, etc.
New York - Dvorak

Pretty good idea

 

[Taluss]

Could this 3 way trade work?..

Ottawa - Strome
Arizona - Pinto, 15 overall, maybe a lesser D prospect like Rykov, Hajek, etc.
New York - Dvorak

I can’t see Ott trading Pinto without a package for a 1C in return.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Could this 3 way trade work?..

Ottawa - Strome
Arizona - Pinto, 15 overall, maybe a lesser D prospect like Rykov, Hajek, etc.
New York - Dvorak

Rangers give up too much. Take out the 15th overall and it's close.

 

[bobbop]

The Rangers need to find their Benoit Pouliot and Dominic Moore, not overpay a guy by 50-100% just because he was the third while on a great line on a championship team.

Before you can find your own, you need to invest some seed money in a player who can set an example and be a leader. Welcome to New York Barclay. Don’t change a damn thing.

 

[jay from jersey]

Goals against is literally just a goaltending stat. Shestyorkin is excellent. I said that in this thread.

Goodrow would immensely help the penalty kill.
1. He’s a good penalty killer.
2. He can win important D Zone draws.
Take a look at what he did against the isles in game 7 running out the clock with 4 isles players draped all over him. We need things like that.
With no strome here, we will not see him on the first PP unit, and your going to get a massive uptick in points for LaF/ Kakko just by being older more mature and getting more minutes especially on the PP.
I can see not wanting to give the guy 4 mill a year. I would absolutely love him for 3 flat, and be pretty happy with him for 3.5. It’s not like he’s not worth his contract. He’s one of the premier bottom 6 guys out there, instrumental in 2 cup wins for Tampa.