Speculation: Roster Building Thread XII

[Alluckks]

I support signing Goodrow and I'll tell you why.

People will bring up points but like, this is the same fanbase that posts "wow skill is actually bad!" when we're losing 3-0 to the Islanders for the 4th time that year. Now they care about points. A lot of Rangers fans just wanna be mad.

I'm trying (not always succeeding) to look at statistics with some clarity. Goodrow is an efficient scorer in his role which has literally always been "go hit people." His line in Tampa got the 3rd most minutes but acted like a 4th line. Their actual 4th line by TOI played a more finesse style. It's similar to the Islanders. Those guys play like a 4th line but Trotz has them out there every other shift in the playoffs.

I think the Rangers plan to move Goodrow up and use him more like a Pouliot/Hagelin next to skilled players on a balanced line. I think he can grow into that and score commensurately.

How your coach uses you drives production more than talent does. I think he's been a pretty solid producer for a guy who's always played on "I don't care if you score" lines.

I could actually see Goodrow slotting in really well on Panarin's opposite wing

 

[and 99 others]

Also Josh Anderson makes $4m. Goodrow is a better player.

huh?

 

[Circus86]

Also Josh Anderson makes $4m. Goodrow is a better player and would score more than Anderson except Anderson gets top six minutes for some reason.

A lot of people wanted Anderson. I wonder if it's because he punches people real hard in fights.

Anderssons cap hit is actually 5,5m.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I could actually see Goodrow slotting in really well on Panarin's opposite wing

not this shit again...

 

[Machinehead]

Anderssons cap hit is actually 5,5m.

Well there you go!

 

[Machinehead]

not this shit again...

I mean, why not. We lost Colin Blackwell!

 

[Machinehead]

Ok for all the fast revisionists, you do remember the 20-21 season where we had blackwell stapled to the 2nd line and EVERYONE was furious because it blocked the kids? Where do you think fast was going to be playing?

Blackwell didn't block the kids.

Quinn creating a line of kids and then making that line the 4th line blocked the kids.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I mean, why not. We lost Colin Blackwell!

no we likely lost gauthier. And I want no part of p2 of the underwhelming RW for panarin.

 

[MrAlmost]

Anything above 3.25 for Goodrow will be bad. Regardless of term.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Blackwell didn't block the kids.

Quinn creating a line of kids and then making that line the 4th line blocked the kids.

Quinn blocked the kids by stapling blackwell to panarin/strome even when blackwell played like ass. Fast would've blocked kakko and/or Kratsov. Yes it was likely due to quinn, but it would've been worse because at least blackwell was only initially an expansion draft pickup.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Aren’t you talking about people telling me Goodrow has nothing to do with Buch? Because the post your replying to was quoting a proposal to trade Buch for Gourde lol, so getting Gourde would have something to do with getting rid of Buch in that scenario

Well I missed that key but if information lol.

 

[Machinehead]

no we likely lost gauthier. And I want no part of p2 of the underwhelming RW for panarin.

Panarin wants that and has had back-to-back 100pt-pace seasons doing it.

We had a game this year where Jonny Brodzinski played more than Kakko. It was the coach, not Blackwell.

If Goodrow is on the "2nd line" and Kakko is on the "3rd line" (which is meaningless at even strength) we can make that up by giving Kakko PP time and not giving Goodrow PP time.

 

[Off Sides]

I could see Prucha scoring 40 pts playing with Jagr too.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Panarin wants that and has had back-to-back 100pt-pace seasons doing it.

We had a game this year where Jonny Brodzinski played more than Kakko. It was the coach, not Blackwell.

If Goodrow is on the "2nd line" and Kakko is on the "3rd line" (which is meaningless at even strength) we can make that up by giving Kakko PP time and not giving Goodrow PP time.

Panarin has absolutely had success with that. But thats also with Strome as his center. Imagine an upgraded center instead, and kratsov or kakko as his RW, and instead of having a replacement level player scoring 20 goals, we have a true potential star scoring 30+.

 

[Doctyl]

Quinn blocked the kids by stapling blackwell to panarin/strome even when blackwell played like ass. Fast would've blocked kakko and/or Kratsov. Yes it was likely due to quinn, but it would've been worse because at least blackwell was only initially an expansion draft pickup.

I mean it’s also been reported that Panarin likes playing with grinders. If that’s really the case put him on the 3rd line and spoon feed him all the PP time. He’ll still get his minutes and points. Just don’t forget about half of your skill players all on one line on the bench

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

I hope someone on the team writes a book about those last couple seasons, but I'll settle for a really gossipy podcast guest appearance

 

[DutchShamrock]

I could actually see Goodrow slotting in really well on Panarin's opposite wing

That is 100% where he would end up playing.

 

[Machinehead]

I could see Prucha scoring 40 pts playing with Jagr too.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Everyone wants depth. Depth doesn't happen by having 12 great players. Depth happens by finding line combos that allow you to spread talent out.

 

[Machinehead]

Panarin has absolutely had success with that. But thats also with Strome as his center. Imagine an upgraded center instead, and kratsov or kakko as his RW, and instead of having a replacement level player scoring 20 goals, we have a true potential star scoring 30+.

Imagine what?

Do you think Panarin is going to score 140 points?

 

[IDvsEGO]

I mean it’s also been reported that Panarin likes playing with grinders. If that’s really the case put him on the 3rd line and spoon feed him all the PP time. He’ll still get his minutes and points. Just don’t forget about half of your skill players all on one line on the bench

Panarin absolutely liked playing with a grinder there because it let both him and strome not focus on the chase, and it essentially fed the puck to them on forechecking. You get a winger who can do that, but also drive play? and a center who can force turnovers far better than strome does?
You definitely want to balance lines, but with the level of wing talent we have, we should absolutely have 2 stacked lines with a 3rd that could be a 2nd on most teams.

 

[Alluckks]

Panarin dictates who he plays with

Goodrow is simply a much better Blackwell

 

[IDvsEGO]

Imagine what?

Do you think Panarin is going to score 140 points?

I dont see panarin topping 120, but our center could have 80+ and our RW could have 80. Blackwell scored 12 goals from playing on panarin's wing, and that was more goals than he'd scored in his previous 2 years combined. He also averaged 14 minutes, which was 4 minutes higher. He also doubled his career shooting percentage.

Goodrow is a good player for what he is, but he's a fourth line guy, who does a great job at that. When you play guys who are grinders and ask them to score goals, you end up with issues. You count on goal scorers to score goals, any goal you get from a guy like Goodrow should be considered a bonus. You play him on panarin's line and thats no longer the case.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Panarin dictates who he plays with

Goodrow is simply a much better Blackwell

No player should ever dictate who plays on his line, the coach dictates that. Connor McDavid doesn't dictate whos on his line. The fact that quinn admitted that he abdicate that responsibility should've been an immediate firing moment.

 

[Off Sides]

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Everyone wants depth. Depth doesn't happen by having 12 great players. Depth happens by finding line combos that allow you to spread talent out.

Don't need to pay this much for that type of player

Literally Fast and Blackwell showed that

Rangers do need some players like Goodrow, there are more out there who will not take up this type of cap space.

Just being on Tampa skews anyone's metrics towards good.

The playoffs and cups skew everyone's cap hits north,

What is the Rangers 3rd line next year, Panarin is not one. Leaves either Kreider or Laff. The center, If Zbad Strome are still here, Chytil?

It's not like they are hurting for 3rd liners even if that is because others are already pushed down.

 

[Machinehead]

Teams have to match up against Panarin. Forcing them to also match up against Strome and Goodrow at the same time makes life easy for two very good lines.

Your 1st, 2nd, and 3rd lines get relatively equal time at even strength. The rest is special teams. Just don't put Lafreniere and Kakko on the 4th line. This sport is so easy.