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Speculation: Roster Building Thread XII

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Machinehead said:
This team has been top 10 in scoring two years in a row and missed the real playoffs both years.

I would argue throwing more skill at it isn't the change we need.
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Were they bad at D last year in goals against per game?

All the same does not matter, that is how bad this Goodrow contract may be if Carp, Vince are on point. I despise the Eichel idea and would rather see them go that direction as the cap percentage use on player, even with Eichel at 10M is way better.
 
I would legitimately be happy with a trade of Buchnevich for Gourde at 50%. Gourde is 29, turns 30 in December, and signed for the next 4 seasons at 5.166 per year. Age 29-33/34 seasons, prime for competing. Dude has been playing great. 4 years at 2.58 per year is the kind of player/contract you need on a true competitor team.

Seattle takes Gauthier
Buch for Gourde at 50%
Zac Jones + 4th for McNabb + Reaves
Strome gets dealt

Laf Zib Kakko
Panarin Chytil Goodrow
Kreider Gourde Kravstov
Barron Rooney Blackwell
Reaves

Lindgren Fox
Miller Trouba
McNabb Lundkvist

That team still has quite a bit of cap to spare

If Larkin or someone like that became available and you could ship Chytil+, Kravstov+, or Lundvist+ for that guy then even better
 
Kupo said:
You keep spewing this garbage and people keep telling you one has nothing to do with the other. Why is that so difficult to comprehend?
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Aren’t you talking about people telling me Goodrow has nothing to do with Buch? Because the post your replying to was quoting a proposal to trade Buch for Gourde lol, so getting Gourde would have something to do with getting rid of Buch in that scenario
 
Alluckks said:
I would legitimately be happy with a trade of Buchnevich for Gourde at 50%. Gourde is 29, turns 30 in December, and signed for the next 4 seasons at 5.166 per year. Age 29-33/34 seasons, prime for competing. Dude has been playing great. 4 years at 2.58 per year is the kind of player/contract you need on a true competitor team.

Seattle takes Gauthier
Buch for Gourde at 50%
Zac Jones + 4th for McNabb + Reaves
Strome gets dealt

Laf Zib Kakko
Panarin Chytil Goodrow
Kreider Gourde Kravstov
Barron Rooney Blackwell
Reaves

Lindgren Fox
Miller Trouba
McNabb Lundkvist

That team still has quite a bit of cap to spare

If Larkin or someone like that became available and you could ship Chytil+, Kravstov+, or Lundvist+ for that guy then even better
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Why is Tampa doing that? That would increase their cap hit rather than decrease it. Unless you a proposing Seattle takes Gourde and trade him in which case why would Seattle do that? There are way more quality wings available in expansion than there are quality centers.
 
Off Sides said:
Were they bad at D last year in goals against per game?

All the same does not matter, that is how bad this Goodrow contract may be if Carp, Vince are on point. I despise the Eichel idea and would rather see them go that direction as the cap percentage use on player, even with Eichel at 10M is way better.
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Yes. The Rangers were horrendous in 20-21 when Fox wasn't on the ice. 45% xG. That's 36 minutes.

Also, the Rangers rack up bad teams. We dropped what, 17 on Philly in two games? Good defensive teams stop us dead because we do one thing well. The one thing we do well is scoring amazing goals. $10m centers specialize in scoring amazing goals.
 
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Goodrows impact will be felt to the young guys but one of the guys he may help most is Baron ...Baron is a big kid with some scoring ability ....if he attaches himself to goodrows hip and maybe plays on the same line that's a nice thought. I do feel his impact on the whole team will be felt with the addition of one or two others.

I'm still not ruling out
Tarasenko and Gourde for some of our youth.

Buchy Strome Jones Kravy Robertson 15th pick other pieces. to bring our 2c and maybe a dman and players mentioned above. Not out of the realm of possibility.
Used to love Tarasenko now he scares me with shoulder but lineup could be very well balanced with moves like this and Tarasenko is yet another cup winner so that helps a ton.

To do all this you might be settling for a Monohan or a Kusnetsov (a coke head but another cup winner)
 
Machinehead said:
Yes. The Rangers were horrendous in 20-21 when Fox wasn't on the ice. 45% xG. That's 36 minutes.

Also, the Rangers rack up bad teams. We dropped what, 17 on Philly in two games? Good defensive teams stop us dead because we do one thing well. The one thing we do well is scoring amazing goals. $10m centers specialize in scoring amazing goals.
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Good job, not,

Rangers 14th in goals against, 11th in goals scored

23 pts per regular season average for Goodrow, you are the one who always says something like those are the numbers.
 
Off Sides said:
Good job, not,

Rangers 14th in goals against, 11th in goals scored

23 pts per regular season average for Goodrow, you are the one who always says something like those are the numbers.
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Goals against is literally just a goaltending stat. Shestyorkin is excellent. I said that in this thread.
 
Alluckks said:
I would legitimately be happy with a trade of Buchnevich for Gourde at 50%. Gourde is 29, turns 30 in December, and signed for the next 4 seasons at 5.166 per year. Age 29-33/34 seasons, prime for competing. Dude has been playing great. 4 years at 2.58 per year is the kind of player/contract you need on a true competitor team.

Seattle takes Gauthier
Buch for Gourde at 50%
Zac Jones + 4th for McNabb + Reaves
Strome gets dealt

Laf Zib Kakko
Panarin Chytil Goodrow
Kreider Gourde Kravstov
Barron Rooney Blackwell
Reaves

Lindgren Fox
Miller Trouba
McNabb Lundkvist

That team still has quite a bit of cap to spare

If Larkin or someone like that became available and you could ship Chytil+, Kravstov+, or Lundvist+ for that guy then even better
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Yea downgrade for a player 4 years older who gets way less points and is way worse defensively, 5’9 170lb to boot. Lol
Buch would be a 100pt player on Tampa

I feel like I’m in upside down world reading this thread lol wtf
 
EdJovanovski said:
Yea downgrade for a player 4 years older who gets way less points and is way worse defensively, 5’9 170lb to boot. Lol
Buch would be a 100pt player on Tampa

I feel like I’m in upside down world reading this thread lol wtf
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I think he means if Seattle picked Gourde. We're not trading Buch to Tampa
 
Machinehead said:
Yes. The Rangers were horrendous in 20-21 when Fox wasn't on the ice. 45% xG. That's 36 minutes.

Also, the Rangers rack up bad teams. We dropped what, 17 on Philly in two games? Good defensive teams stop us dead because we do one thing well. The one thing we do well is scoring amazing goals. $10m centers specialize in scoring amazing goals.
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Louder for the people in the back.

There were a bunch of reasons for this (Roster Construction, Coaching, Covid, Crazy Russian shit, crazy DeAngelo shit, etc) but looking at this roster and thinking "HEY! WHAT WE NEED TO AUGMENT OUR TALENT IS MORE SCORING" is befuddling.

Like if you're sending Zibanejad out, then MAYBE take a stab at Eichel. If we're keeping Zibanejad (and I'm not really on board with this either), then it makes no sense.

Moving Howden and getting Goodrow is a step in the RIGHT direction when it comes to putting together a team that can actually do things other than score. Now if Vince's speculation is right and Goodrow comes in at or close to 4, thats a pretty big problem, but its an expensive problem that at the very least, fits.
 
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Machinehead said:
Goals against is literally just a goaltending stat. Shestyorkin is excellent. I said that in this thread.
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So then expected goals for or against versus actual goals scored or against is not accurate?

How can we possibly judge using expectation numbers if the goalie keeps skewing reality?
 
I know it's meme'd about but has it been mentioned if Kravtsov gets a chance at center? I mean by the org not the HFboards.

IMO He's the total package. He has size, swift speed, hands, playmaking and IQ. I can see a world where he's our other top6C and Chytil develops into a strong 3C

IF Kravtsov makes that move, massive IF, I can also see a world where Buch stays.
 
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duhmetreE said:
I know it's meme'd about but has it been mentioned if Kravtsov gets a chance at center? I mean by the org not the HFboards.

IMO He's the total package. He has size, swift speed, hands, playmaking and IQ. I can see a world where he's our other top6C and Chytil develops into a strong 3C

IF Kravtsov makes that move, massive IF, I can also see a world where Buch stays.
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It makes too much sense to happen. I have no idea how they watch his game and don’t see a potential center. Our (now fired) FO did talk about him being able to play center though previously, so maybe.
 
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Uninstaaled said:
Louder for the people in the back.

There were a bunch of reasons for this (Roster Construction, Coaching, Covid, Crazy Russian shit, crazy DeAngelo shit, etc) but looking at this roster and thinking "HEY! WHAT WE NEED TO AUGMENT OUR TALENT IS MORE SCORING" is befuddling.

Like if you're sending Zibanejad out, then MAYBE take a stab at Eichel. If we're keeping Zibanejad (and I'm not really on board with this either), then it makes no sense.

Moving Howden and getting Goodrow is a step in the RIGHT direction when it comes to putting together a team that can actually do things other than score. Now if Vince's speculation is right and Goodrow comes in at or close to 4, thats a pretty big problem, but its an expensive problem that at the very least, fits.
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I support signing Goodrow and I'll tell you why.

People will bring up points but like, this is the same fanbase that posts "wow skill is actually bad!" when we're losing 3-0 to the Islanders for the 4th time that year. Now they care about points. A lot of Rangers fans just wanna be mad.

I'm trying (not always succeeding) to look at statistics with some clarity. Goodrow is an efficient scorer in his role which has literally always been "go hit people." His line in Tampa got the 3rd most minutes but acted like a 4th line. Their actual 4th line by TOI played a more finesse style. It's similar to the Islanders. Those guys play like a 4th line but Trotz has them out there every other shift in the playoffs.

I think the Rangers plan to move Goodrow up and use him more like a Pouliot/Hagelin next to skilled players on a balanced line. I think he can grow into that and score commensurately.

How your coach uses you drives production more than talent does. I think he's been a pretty solid producer for a guy who's always played on "I don't care if you score" lines.
 
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Also Josh Anderson makes $4m. Goodrow is a better player and would score more than Anderson except Anderson gets top six minutes for some reason.

A lot of people wanted Anderson. I wonder if it's because he punches people real hard in fights.
 
SA16 said:
Why is Tampa doing that? That would increase their cap hit rather than decrease it. Unless you a proposing Seattle takes Gourde and trade him in which case why would Seattle do that? There are way more quality wings available in expansion than there are quality centers.
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Because Buch is far superior to Gourde and most if not all wings available in expansion
 
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