Speculation: Roster Building Thread XII

[jay from jersey]

I'm going to make the assumption that we move somebody to center because that's easier to imagine than making up a Buchnevich trade.

We're not paying Goodrow the rumored demands to be on the 4th line.

Let's say Strome just to clear space is the causality. We get a draft pick.

It's just an example so bear with me.

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Panarin-Chytil-Kakko
Kreider-Goodrow-Kravtsov
Barron-Rooney-Somebody

If we get even solid, not great development out of the kids, that's a video game forward corps.

Plus the Norris winner and a top 10 goalie.

We're closer than you think.

We're retooling in a couple of years anyway. That has nothing to do with the decisions we make and everything to do with the fact that the league has a hard cap that's staying flat.

Let's try to win while the best defensemen in the league is making six figures.

This is more or less the way I see it. The only difference being is, if internally they are uncomfortable with chytil, I see him being package with the 15OA to bring back an upgrade at 2C

 

[Backstreets Back]

They used their firsts to fix holes. They didn't tie them down to anchor contracts before they won the cups.

Exactly. They also added those complimentary players when all the other pieces were in place. Elite all situations #1D, MVP caliber winger, #1 two way center, elite goal scorer, shutdown #2 dman, elite goalie, great top 6 wingers. The team had everything else and then some.

 

[jay from jersey]

Id rather not give up chytl in a dvo trade. Whole point is to keep our young core. I do like the Strome, 15th, and Jones/Renunanan for dvo and a good bottom 6er

Yea ARI is going to want some sort of center back just to play out the year. It’s obvious, to me anyway if they plan on not resigning Garland( heart and soul) they are going into full tank mode for Wright/Bedard.
I highly doubt Dvorak is as untouchable as some people think. Even their own fans

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Exactly. They also added those complimentary players when all the other pieces were in place. Elite all situations #1D, MVP caliber winger, #1 two way center, elite goal scorer, shutdown #2 dman, elite goalie, great top 6 wingers. The team had everything else and then some.

I think the Rangers have alot of this.... #1 defenseman (Fox), mvp winger (Panarin), #1 center (Zibanejad), elite goal scorer (maybe lacking this, but if they keep Buchnevich he was on pace for 30+ and he might be just getting better), I dont think the Rangers are far off as long as they make some smart moves and add some things we dont have (Goodrow does apply here, hopefully the money isn't as crazy as Carp thinks)

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Yea ARI is going to want some sort of center back just to play out the year. It’s obvious, to me anyway if they plan on not resigning Garland( heart and soul) they are going into full tank mode for Wright/Bedard.
I highly doubt Dvorak is as untouchable as some people think. Even their own fans

I mean its been said his name is out there. "untouchables" names usually arent "out there"

 

[Machinehead]

The purge is coming when Lafreniere, Kakko, and Fox get adult contracts. At that point, our depth will be filled with unknowns and Laf and Kakko will have to be stars by then or we're just gonna have a bad time. That's hockey.

There's a hard, flat cap and it's not slowing salaries down. We're not budgeting our way out of the purge.

We should try to win before the purge.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Could this 3 way trade work?..

Ottawa - Strome
Arizona - Pinto, 15 overall, maybe a lesser D prospect like Rykov, Hajek, etc.
New York - Dvorak

 

[DialUp]

The purge is coming when Lafreniere, Kakko, and Fox get adult contracts. At that point, our depth will be filled with unknowns and Laf and Kakko will have to be stars by then or we're just gonna have a bad time. That's hockey.

There's a hard, flat cap and it's not slowing salaries down. We're not budgeting our way out of the purge.

We should try to win before the purge.

I wouldn't say it will be a "purge", which has a violent undertone to it (as if the players did something wrong), but yeah there will be a lot of movement. Laf and Kakko HAS to be our main stars up front for all of this to work out in a way that is recognizable though. However, I don't think the core of Zib, Buch, Kreider and yes even Panarin, have it in them to do much winning as is.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

In this scenario we are getting two very serviceable players for him. PKers are replaceable. I like Buchnevich, but we are loaded on the wing. We have other needs to fill.

Exactly. And in this scenario, Seattle would be retaining 50% on Gourde and Saucy (Cap hit to Rangers ~$4MM) with what Buch would cost to resign (~$5-6MM) they could almost add both Bellmere and Nosek.

Would add 3 quality bottom 6 players and a bottom pair Dman for the price of Buch plus another ~$750K. All of which have grit, can PK, defensively responsible and provide vet leadership. Also tons of playoff experience. With Gourde also solid secondary scoring ability.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I wouldn't say it will be a "purge", which has a violent undertone to it (as if the players did something wrong), but yeah there will be a lot of movement. Laf and Kakko HAS to be our main stars up front for all of this to work out in a way that is recognizable though.

I agree with this but after Panarin/Trouba/Kreider etc are gone... Right now they are the "complimentary" cheap players that everyone wants to contribute. You gotta take advantage of these ELCS/RFAs especially when you have some REALLY good players around them

 

[FIRE DRURY]

What’s this obsession everyone seems to have with trading the best penalty killer in the NHL who paced for 72pts this season for a third liner?

You keep spewing this garbage and people keep telling you one has nothing to do with the other. Why is that so difficult to comprehend?

 

[Machinehead]

I wouldn't say it will be a "purge", which has a violent undertone to it (as if the players did something wrong), but yeah there will be a lot of movement. Laf and Kakko HAS to be our main stars up front for all of this to work out in a way that is recognizable though. However, I don't think the core of Zib, Buch, Kreider and yes even Panarin, have it in them to do much winning as is.

The NHL is violent towards enjoyment.

 

[Gardner McKay]

I don't see how signing a bottom-6 forward for something greater than what he's worth by a large margin would be beneficial in any way. Not a great "consolation prize" in my eyes if the other path didn't work out. When you start overpaying mid-level players to fill a "need" in terms of cap hit is when you start to get into trouble.

Worth is in the eye of the beholder.

Like I said, I don't think 6 years and 4 million per is a good idea. But 5 years at 2.5? I have no issue with that. 4 years at 3 mil? Fine. You know what you're getting.

 

[DialUp]

I agree with this but after Panarin/Trouba/Kreider etc are gone... Right now they are the "complimentary" cheap players that everyone wants to contribute. You gotta take advantage of these ELCS/RFAs especially when you have some REALLY good players around them

Yeah that would be the best case scenario for all of us, because the winning would come sooner. I know the past few years have been really weird, but do we truly think that our core is going to figure it out all of a sudden? Gallant factor? Maybe!

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Also, "finding your own" is kinda just something we made up. Tampa didn't. They traded firsts for Goodrow and Coleman. I'll sign up for back to back Cups.

We're already built like the 2016 and 2017 Penguins with a 3rd line winger making top-6 money

This is the thing... All these teams have different blueprints and if you're desperately trying to copy one, you will fail.

 

[NYR Viper]

Worth is in the eye of the beholder.

Like I said, I don't think 6 years and 4 million per is a good idea. But 5 years at 2.5? I have no issue with that. 4 years at 3 mil? Fine. You know what you're getting.

The team has quite a few skill guys on the way. They need 1-2 hard nosed vets to lead the way and bring the fight to the other team. Goodrow is a good start. I’m hoping they don’t think that changing one guy is all that is needed…

 

[bl02]

Could this 3 way trade work?..

Ottawa - Strome
Arizona - Pinto, 15 overall, maybe a lesser D prospect like Rykov, Hajek, etc.
New York - Dvorak

Yeah for us. We give up nothing that hurts except maybe for the 15th overall. Does Ottawa really want Strome? especially a Strome they will have to pay to keep very very soon.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Worth is in the eye of the beholder.

Like I said, I don't think 6 years and 4 million per is a good idea. But 5 years at 2.5? I have no issue with that. 4 years at 3 mil? Fine. You know what you're getting.

I could deal with 5x2.5 or whatever. but that's not happening according to Vince. This is all predicated on what is reported. If the reports are wrong it changes the conversation obviously.

 

[Fitzy]

The team has quite a few skill guys on the way. They need 1-2 hard nosed vets to lead the way and bring the fight to the other team. Goodrow is a good start. I’m hoping they don’t think that changing one guy is all that is needed…

Barron will be taught to play with an edge. The vet left d we get will too. Schneider is a big hitter

 

[Machinehead]

We're already built like the 2016 and 2017 Penguins with a 3rd line winger making top-6 money

This is the thing... All these teams have different blueprints and if you're desperately trying to copy one, you will fail.

You play the hand you're dealt.

We're weak at center and we're going to be for...I don't wanna say a "long" time but long enough that I couldn't name the guys we're going to have success with. They're either in high school or they're guys we just wouldn't imagine (who would have said Zibanejad in 2015 for example).

Our blueprint is going to have be hitting you with wingers where they don't belong, like Kreider on the third line.

I think if Laf and Kakko develop into star players, the plan should be (unless the center situation changes which it might; nobody had Fox on their bingo card) them and Panarin all on different lines.

 

[Off Sides]

how long do you want to wait ? when is it okay to start looking elsewhere to upgrade the team?

I'm good with upgrading,

10M top line center, who can play 1st line, 5 years, eventually or immediately get assets from Zbad or Stome

4-4.5M bottom 9 player for 5 years, no assets added beyond

I think I go the former for the extra 5.5-6M, even with the assets required to trade for him.

 

[Machinehead]

I'm good with upgrading,

10M top line center, who can play 1st line, 5 years, eventually or immediately get assets from Zbad or Stome

4-4.5M bottom 9 player for 5 years, no assets added beyond

I think I go the former for the extra 5.5-6M, even with the assets required to trade for him.

This team has been top 10 in scoring two years in a row and missed the real playoffs both years.

I would argue throwing more skill at it isn't the change we need.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I could deal with 5x2.5 or whatever. but that's not happening according to Vince. This is all predicated on what is reported. If the reports are wrong it changes the conversation obviously.

Vince isn't getting any of his info (if he even has any) from the Rangers front office. They have been extremely tight lipped. If anything this came from Goodrow's agent who is trying to maximize the return for his client. Or possibly stop Seattle from selecting him by inflating his ask. Not sure why he would so that though since he'd just be a UFA a week later.

 

[Machinehead]

If Zibanejad isn't a "legit 1C" it's because he doesn't tilt the ice like one. He certainly scores like one.

Eichel isn't exactly a Selke winner either. He's just a sightly higher-scoring Zibanejad.

And maybe not even. Zibanejad paced for over 100 points in 19-20 and in the parts of 20-21 where he didn't have covid.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Yeah for us. We give up nothing that hurts except maybe for the 15th overall. Does Ottawa really want Strome? especially a Strome they will have to pay to keep very very soon.

Yes, apparently they are interested in Strome