NYR Viper
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This would be beyond a silly financial decision for him. He’d be leaving $12m minimum on the table. That’s a TON of money.
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This would be beyond a silly financial decision for him. He’d be leaving $12m minimum on the table. That’s a TON of money.
LaffyTaffyNYR
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Not that I think we should lowball him by any means but when is Fox eligible for RFA with arbitration rights?
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He's technically living out his fantasy...
The guy forces his way onto the Rangers. He's a die hard Ranger fan. No one is arguing he's not worth more money... It's about taking less to help the team succeed. It's arguing that playing for the Rangers is more important than making $9M per.
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I think we can all agree that Fox is going to take some kind of discount (maybe 1-2M) but what kind of discount is that?
You can argue that the Heiskanen contract for Fox is a discount.
You can argue that the Heiskanen contract for Fox is a discount.
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Yeah, his agent would hate it. Money will never be an issue for the Fox family. He has all the making of being a Ranger Legend.
If you're just into it for the money, I get it. Some players take less to be where they want to be and to win.. I see him as one of those guys. I don't care either way but it obviously helps the team if we have one of the best defensemen in the league on a steal of a contract
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that is true but there is a quality of life Ny has over a Texas. You can be a celebrity hockey player in ny and remain anonymous and have a normal life.
That goes for all sports too. Manny Ramirez said that while playing in Boston. He said he sometimes has to sneak in and out of Boston restaurants yet in ny there are so many people he doesn’t get bothered.
Add in all the options and hours the city doesn’t sleep offers, a multi-millionaire playing in NY could have a better QOL than Texas. Those taxes could be worth it.
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Let’s all agree that Fox has ALREADY done the Rangers a favor by forcing his way to the Rangers. Why does he have to do another favor? He deserves to get paid and he should. The team has Trouba making $8m per season, do we really expect Fox to make less than that? C’mon guys. If we set unrealistic expectations we are going to be disappointed.
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PuckLuck3043
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There is no way on God's green earth he is going to take 2 mil/yr less than Heiskanen. He is a significantly better player who just won the Norris. If the terms were similar that would be a massive win for the Rangers.
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be happy Scott Boras doesn’t appear to represent too many hockey players. He would ask for $18
Yeah, the real question is, how could he last as long as he did?
And, when is Drury hiring an AGM? That should have been the 1st move he made. There are no guaranteed protection against incompetence but beefing up the front office should lower the risk at least.
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I hate to take the side of management, but I do think the players kind of owe it to the team to "do them a favor," on these contracts (regardless of whether Fox already did us a favor by maneuvering here).
Of course he deserves to get paid. So will a bunch of others on the team, but there's this thing called a salary cap.
If a high contract demand was only sticking it to James Dolan's wallet, that's one thing. But by taking up a limited resource with which we can build a champion, a player demanding too much money isn't hurting the owner (the owner is insulated cause he never has to pay more than the cap ceiling no matter what - essentially, obviously there are minor exceptions). The player would be hurting the fans who want to see a good team, or his teammates who also wants a deserved slice of the pie.
I get it, free market, get what you can, etc, but the hard cap system that has been in place for thirty years now in pro sports basically sucks. Not like the unlimited system in baseball is much better, but I think a basketball system but with some tweaks might be best. There has to be a way to allow teams to keep the players it acquires through draft and trade without punishing them for success.
Also, if Fox gets 8x8 and grosses 64 million, is that REALLY all that different, in a life-changing sense, than 8X9 for 72 million?
We aren't talking 64 million versus 640 million here.
Why wouldn't you want to have 64 million and play for the team you love for the next decade rather than 72 million and play for a team you don't love? Is the extra $8m actually worth spending a huge chunk of your life (10%?) somewhere you don't want to be? Really? At some point the money is all the same.
If I was Fox I'd probably say "I want to spend the rest of my life being a NY Rangers Icon, I'll take 8x6.5, call it $52 million, and I'll embed myself in everything NYC for the next decade and make it up in endorsements and after-career gigs."
Of course he deserves to get paid. So will a bunch of others on the team, but there's this thing called a salary cap.
If a high contract demand was only sticking it to James Dolan's wallet, that's one thing. But by taking up a limited resource with which we can build a champion, a player demanding too much money isn't hurting the owner (the owner is insulated cause he never has to pay more than the cap ceiling no matter what - essentially, obviously there are minor exceptions). The player would be hurting the fans who want to see a good team, or his teammates who also wants a deserved slice of the pie.
I get it, free market, get what you can, etc, but the hard cap system that has been in place for thirty years now in pro sports basically sucks. Not like the unlimited system in baseball is much better, but I think a basketball system but with some tweaks might be best. There has to be a way to allow teams to keep the players it acquires through draft and trade without punishing them for success.
Also, if Fox gets 8x8 and grosses 64 million, is that REALLY all that different, in a life-changing sense, than 8X9 for 72 million?
We aren't talking 64 million versus 640 million here.
Why wouldn't you want to have 64 million and play for the team you love for the next decade rather than 72 million and play for a team you don't love? Is the extra $8m actually worth spending a huge chunk of your life (10%?) somewhere you don't want to be? Really? At some point the money is all the same.
If I was Fox I'd probably say "I want to spend the rest of my life being a NY Rangers Icon, I'll take 8x6.5, call it $52 million, and I'll embed myself in everything NYC for the next decade and make it up in endorsements and after-career gigs."
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There is also a reality check in how much of a discount is fair and equitable for both parties. He is certainly worth at least what Heiskanen got paid. That would be the discount for the Norris winner, especially when the guy who just signed a 8.45 mil/yr contract got zero Norris votes.
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One thing to factor in with the Fox contract, that very rarely apply, and that is, why exactly should NYR lock him up for 7-8 years?
There can only be two reasons:
(1) We think he will be worth more in the future.
(2) We are afraid to lose him to another team.
I mean, this just pushes down his “worth”. (2) isn’t a factor and the risk on the upside on (1) is very limited. Of course he can become more expensive, but how much more?
Nobody should be surprised if Fox has some ups and down the coming years. Just as he can be worth 9.5m in two years, he could be worth 8.0m or 7.5m. Heck, we have a coach change happening. That can change things.
There can only be two reasons:
(1) We think he will be worth more in the future.
(2) We are afraid to lose him to another team.
I mean, this just pushes down his “worth”. (2) isn’t a factor and the risk on the upside on (1) is very limited. Of course he can become more expensive, but how much more?
Nobody should be surprised if Fox has some ups and down the coming years. Just as he can be worth 9.5m in two years, he could be worth 8.0m or 7.5m. Heck, we have a coach change happening. That can change things.
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Hypothetically, how much can he be worth in 12 months?
I mean, I get what you mean. But you don’t often have a player at this position. It’s like, what can he do better next year? The Hart besides the Norris?
If we lock up Fox for 8 years at $9.5m it’s a steal. Anyone thinking 8x8 is out to lunch, he’d be taking an insane discount. Anyone suggesting he’ll take even less should stop posting.
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