Speculation: Roster Building Thread XI

[GoAwayPanarin]

lmao what? What bigger needs do the Rangers have than a stud 1C? None.

Like everything else lol.

 

[tlk]

Wife and I are going out on a big shopping day in a few minutes, so expect a roster move to come shortly after we leave.

Shopping for Eichel. Way to go

 

[Irishguy42]

Shopping for Eichel. Way to go

#insiderrrrrrr

 

[pld459666]

I'm not trying to say a thing about the dynamics of the room. My comment was based entirely on what we saw. Quinn, who for all of his other faults deserves credit for seeing what this team needed to do to win games fairly early in the season, kept saying that the team needed to be more direct, more shoot-first, and play a more N/S game. Strome, on his own, opted to go to the media and essentially say "Yeah, what the coach keeps telling us to do? f*** that. I'm a star and I know better." Strome and Quinn can be all time besties in that room. They can hang out and cook smore's on weekends. It wouldn't matter. What Strome did with that comment was 100% disrespectful and--speaking as a coach--is the kind of attitude I would immediately seek to purge from the room. I get that not everyone is going to see it as that big of a deal, but again, as someone who has managed personalities on a team roster, that kind of behavior is a huge red flag to me.

I'm with you on that and further, if one guy is saying it, you be pretty certain other guys are thinking it and talking amongst themselves about it.

 

[pld459666]

If I’m wrong, the trade will be a steal for me, and I’ll be happier than everyone else. If I’m right, I’ll be less upset than everyone else. #HowToRangerFan

#15OA + Kravtsov/Lundkvist would actually hurt pretty f***ing bad now that I think about it. And there’s nothing wrong with that.

Disagree.

Nils and 15OA doesn't hurt at all.

We improve the roster without deduction from the roster.

Nils is still very much an unknown. We can make fairly decent assumptions but until he plays in the NHL, he's an unknown

I'd do that deal in a heart beat

 

[BBKers]

I'm with you on that and further, if one guy is saying it, you be pretty certain other guys are thinking it and talking amongst themselves about it.

Kakko was very vocally displeased with DQ in Finnish media as well. Hank has said some things that have not been snapped up too...

 

[kovazub94]

Wife and I are going out on a big shopping day in a few minutes, so expect a roster move to come shortly after we leave.

Don’t tell my wife or she’d want to go shopping too.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Disagree.

Nils and 15OA doesn't hurt at all.

We improve the roster without deduction from the roster.

Nils is still very much an unknown. We can make fairly decent assumptions but until he plays in the NHL, he's an unknown

I'd do that deal in a heart beat

nils and 15 does hurt. He’s the jewel of our prospect pool. But yeah we do that without hesitation.

 

[jay from jersey]

Can we please not play with words. It will be a major development jump if Howden somehow manages to become a 3rd liner. At this point even an effective 4C is not a given though still possible. If we take Francis’ familiarity with Gauthier out of equation it’s really Howden’s “versatility” and NHL experience is what would make him more attractive to Seattle but I don’t think it would be enough to overcome said familiarity. From the Rangers perspective it’s the same question - do they value the experience and ability to stand in as 4C insurance from Howden in case of injuries or still think they’d be able to get Gauthier to develop into the player they saw when they traded Keane for him.

I see them taking what howden has over perhaps what may Gauthier has with more minutes. Howden has hustle and speed. His offense hasn’t translated to the NHL level, but at least he put himself into scoring opportunities. He just displayed no finish. If he can correct that just a bit to be a 10 goal guy and be stronger on the puck and not get knocked off balance so easily he would be a decent 4th/PK option for Seattle.
Gauthier may find the same problem there as here, not getting enough top 9 minutes with talented line mates.

 

[pld459666]

nils and 15 does hurt. He’s the jewel of our prospect pool. But yeah we do that without hesitation.

I think Larkin is/will be better at his position over the course of his career than Nils will be at his position over the course of his.

Thats why, to me, this deal doesn't hurt.

Sting? A bit, but with the depth we have on D, this would be an absolute no hesitation move

 

[LORDE]

Wife and I are going out on a big shopping day in a few minutes, so expect a roster move to come shortly after we leave.

"Pretty nice little day actually... Home Depot, Bed Bath & Beyond. I don't know if we'll have enough time"
- Frank The Tank

 

[jay from jersey]

maybe someday but so far Howden is not a good hockey player even as a 4th liner. he's below replacement level

Yea, don’t think his offense is as bad as last season. It was to the point of comically bad. Yet Quinn kept giving him minutes. He has the tools/speed/ hustle to be effective but he needs to get better at a few things to be considered a bottom 6 guy, let alone a good one. Could be a late bloomer.
For what it’s worth, Tampa has been pretty good about producing Fwds from the draft. They saw enough talent/skill to take him in the 1st RD. He may never put it all together, or it may take him a while. One thing is for sure, he’s never going to have enough offensive skill/ hockey sense to be anything more then a bottom 6 guy. He certainly got an opportunity under Quinn to prove he belonged. Up to this point he just hasn’t done enough to prove he’s an everyday player.

 

[NYRKing]

Excited for Zib this upcoming year. So underrated again after almost finishing ppg after that COVID slump. Shortened 19-20 season is also treated like an afterthought even though it would have been one of the best statistical seasons in our franchise history…

 

[aufheben]

Disagree.

Nils and 15OA doesn't hurt at all.

We improve the roster without deduction from the roster.

Nils is still very much an unknown. We can make fairly decent assumptions but until he plays in the NHL, he's an unknown

I'd do that deal in a heart beat

That was my initial thought, too, but now imagine this completely-feasible-scenario, five years from now: three years since Larkin signed a fat contract with another team, Nils is playing 24:00 a night with the Red Wings.

Trades for core players are supposed to hurt.

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All this talk about acquiring Larkin, what about keeping Larkin? He hits UFA in two years. How much is he going to cost? How willing will he be to stay here?

 

[DutchShamrock]

I'm not trying to say a thing about the dynamics of the room. My comment was based entirely on what we saw. Quinn, who for all of his other faults deserves credit for seeing what this team needed to do to win games fairly early in the season, kept saying that the team needed to be more direct, more shoot-first, and play a more N/S game. Strome, on his own, opted to go to the media and essentially say "Yeah, what the coach keeps telling us to do? f*** that. I'm a star and I know better." Strome and Quinn can be all time besties in that room. They can hang out and cook smore's on weekends. It wouldn't matter. What Strome did with that comment was 100% disrespectful and--speaking as a coach--is the kind of attitude I would immediately seek to purge from the room. I get that not everyone is going to see it as that big of a deal, but again, as someone who has managed personalities on a team roster, that kind of behavior is a huge red flag to me.

I'm with you on that and further, if one guy is saying it, you be pretty certain other guys are thinking it and talking amongst themselves about it.

I'm trying to let this tangent die off because it's kind of moot ultimately. One of the problems I have with singling Strome out is the top 6 stars got away with a lot already. We got reports they ignored Quinn all season long. They played finesse, possession, pass first hockey. They overextended their PP shifts. Not one guy, but 3 or 4 of the higher caliber players. The kids make a mistake and they get demoted, scratched, benched.

So we have an environment where there are different levels of discipline for different levels of player. That can be ok, but when those players exploit that and play their own style, overextend shifts... it's a problem. I question the wisdom of singling out Strome, not my words but he is the lowest level of the offenders, and shipping him out to send a message. It reinforces the idea that the stars are really in charge. Message received.

I'm not upset about any of the things I point out. I'm just putting a light on them and asking for consistency. Agree to disagree. I don't want to derail the thread any more.

 

[MadHookUp]

I am probably in the minority, but I wish Drury wouldnt touch the top 9. We aren't competing for a cup this year, so why does 2C need to be addressed now? Especially with the potential of Barkov becoming available?

Use this year too figure out what we really have. Other than Fox, are we really sure of anyone? Every kid we have has big question marks. Kakko and Laf had worse seasons then we hoped. We have no idea what Chytil will be. Kravtsov has barely played. And we also have concerns that our coach's style conflicted with the team.

If it were up to me, we would only address the 4th line and get a mediocre LD that one of the kids could hopefully replace. Say we sign someone like Suter for 2 years. What do we do if 2 of Schneider, Lundkvist, Robertson, Pajuniemi, and Jones are ready to go next year? It's not unrealistic to think 2 out of 5 are ready. Just get Smith back, he'll cost nothing, and he wants to be here.

Worst case scenario is we go into the season with a ton of cap space. Which has a ton of value in trades. Teams will demand less if they aren't taking salary in return.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Excited for Zib this upcoming year. So underrated again after almost finishing ppg after that COVID slump. Shortened 19-20 season is also treated like an afterthought even though it would have been one of the best statistical seasons in our franchise history…

i don’t think anybody is really underrating him. Fans are concerned about going long term and the cap.

 

[Edge]

I got nuthin. Talk to @Edge

At the moment I got nothing new either. Detroit is talking to a bunch of different teams on a number of fronts.

 

[NYSPORTS]

I am probably in the minority, but I wish Drury wouldnt touch the top 9. We aren't competing for a cup this year, so why does 2C need to be addressed now? Especially with the potential of Barkov becoming available?

Use this year too figure out what we really have. Other than Fox, are we really sure of anyone?
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Very, very true, we aren’t sure what we have yet we ARE very sure what we don’t have on lines 3/4 and overall grit.

So, what message did Gorton and J.D. send which got them canned? Did they say they wouldn’t address lines 3 and 4?

 

[Avery16]

 

[BBKers]

Montreal is busy. I guess when their Big Guy on defense went down...

 

[NYSPORTS]

At the moment I got nothing new either. Detroit is talking to a bunch of different teams on a number of fronts.

that’s the answer? That’s all you have?

 

[howztheglass]

Let's see what everyone thinks:

Let's say there a deal on the table for a top center no lower then a 2C ( Larkin, Krebs, the kid from the Ducks, ETC ) and in that proposed deal is one of the following D-man:

Miller
Nils
Schneider

You can only keep 2 as one will go in the trade--you are keeping and who's going.

Remember we still have Foxy, Trouba, Lindy, Jones, Robertson, Skinner and a few more ranked alittle lower.

Guy to my head I think I'm keeping--Miller and Nils. I do like Schneider as he's tough as nails and will bring an element of clearing out in front of the net that we possible haven't seen since Beuk.

The upside to Nils is to enticing--if his offense turns out to be close to Foxy--oh baby. Fox and Nils on the PP could be deadly.

Just wondering what everyone thoughts would be as I know each of us has their own opinion.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

McNabb?

 

[NYR Viper]