Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[BobMarleyNYR]

The Andersson wiff is mitigated by hitting on Chytil.
The kratsov wiff is heavily mitigated by hitting on both miller and lundkvist.
The Rangers surprisingly have done well for drafting.

Verdict's still out... not bad overall going 10 years... unless one of Lundmark or Brendl becomes a top-six, I can't agree.

















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[GAGLine]

The Andersson wiff is mitigated by hitting on Chytil.
The kratsov wiff is heavily mitigated by hitting on both miller and lundkvist.
The Rangers surprisingly have done well for drafting.

The bolded is also mitigated by us turning Andersson into a 2nd round pick and using that pick to select Cuylle.

Kravtsov was an unmitigated disaster IMO. Yes, Miller working out softens the blow, but Lundkvist, not so much. We moved him for a 1st round pick and then used that pick on a rental. We have nothing left to show for it. Picks 9, 26, 28 and 48 in the 2018 draft, and we now are left with Miller and a 7th in 2026. I don't consider that to be good asset management. We needed to get more out of that draft.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Proves he sucks

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Zadina cleared waivers.

Surprised none of the bottom feeders took a chance.

 

[pld459666]

IDK why you'd want a player who is eventually going to set the NYR record for career PP goals in the bumper spot.

Mika can't move around to the bumper spot?

I can think of a reason why he can't be.

We have three righties on PP1, bothe Mika and Panarin can move around.

Personally, I think they got predictable on PP1 trying to force the one timer. Letting someone on the RW by the dots that can pass and or take shots provides another element.

I also expect A LOT to change about this team, PP & PK included

 

[Shadowtron]

Andersson and Kravs were whiffs by Gorton, but they have 5 under age 25 No. 1 picks playing on the team. They just picked one of the best value picks in this year's draft. They also have guys like Othmann, Cuylle, Sykora, Berard, BMB, Jones, among others in the pipeline, some of which may be on the team very soon. Believe it or not other teams also don't hit on every draft pick.

Yeah kids are fine. All of them. Not a drafting problem at all. My mistake.

The bolded is also mitigated by us turning Andersson into a 2nd round pick and using that pick to select Cuylle.

Kravtsov was an unmitigated disaster IMO. Yes, Miller working out softens the blow, but Lundkvist, not so much. We moved him for a 1st round pick and then used that pick on a rental. We have nothing left to show for it. Picks 9, 26, 28 and 48 in the 2018 draft, and we now are left with Miller and a 7th in 2026. I don't consider that to be good asset management. We needed to get more out of that draft.

Agreed 100%

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Yeah kids are fine. All of them. Not a drafting problem at all. My mistake.

Not a drafting problem with the top guys.

Development problem? Yes. But that’s what happens when you prioritize the wants and needs of Panarin and Strome over guys you selected 1 and 2.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Still feel that they’re going to be f***ed until they find a way to be rid of Panarin unless other people really take a leap forward and make him less important.

Hopefully when the cap opens up a bit there will be a taker on that front. They won’t have much trouble moving Trouba, nhl GMs overvalue what he brings to the table.

This is just an insane take man haha. Hes well above a ppg player.

 

[Shadowtron]

Not a drafting problem with the top guys.

Development problem? Yes. But that’s what happens when you prioritize the wants and needs of Panarin and Strome over guys you selected 1 and 2.

I agree to a degree. But I think their high end draft leaves a lot to be desired. A lot of that has to do with luck too. We’ll see what this new crop of hopefuls produces.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Zadina cleared waivers.

Surprised none of the bottom feeders took a chance.

Not surprised. He is not that good

 

[Avery16]

Zadina cleared waivers.

Surprised none of the bottom feeders took a chance.

Now they could trade him at 50% and he could be demoted without going back through waivers, right?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I agree to a degree. But I think their high end draft leaves a lot to be desired. A lot of that has to do with luck too. We’ll see what this new crop of hopefuls produces.

If we’re talking lias and Krav? Yeah, I’m with you. The people responsible for this are now in Montreal doing dumb things.

In regards to Laf and Kakko? Everyone takes them 1 and 2. They dont get buried on the depth chart by most teams and are actually given opportunities to grow into key roles by other teams.

This is just an insane take man haha. Hes well above a ppg player.

Yes the guy who makes 11.6 and has been a no show in the playoffs 2 years in a row with a declining production rate is not a problem.

You got me.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

This is just an insane take man haha. Hes well above a ppg player.

He needs to be better in the playoffs for sure

 

[bernmeister]

That stuff kind of what makes me think as well. The board says KK should be on the first line. They say Chytil should be on the second line. Yet when they play together they aren't playing with top 6 guys? Doesn't that seem flawed?

like I've said, keep kid line together, make 1st line
Kred-Zib + __________ best fit unless something else shakes prob Wheeler atp
bread to 3rd line w Othmann Tro panarin
Cuyle - Good - Vesey/Brod

The Andersson wiff is mitigated by hitting on Chytil.
The kratsov wiff is heavily mitigated by hitting on both miller and lundkvist.
The Rangers surprisingly have done well for drafting.

No pick should be squandered/wasted.
Like baseball hitter trying for average, the best still fail most of the time [below .400]
so w/odds vs every or even most picks a hit, blasé disregard and cavalier attitude about outcomes needs to be called out.

Lias was HUGE unacceptable fail at sq1. Hint was reports said he did nothing, nothing well, except maybe had a motor. We hoped he'd be like Habs Gallagher but it was beyond a mistake.
Almost anyone else would have been a better selection.
should have traded the pick for more future picks = profit, but win now
grateful we have Cuyle to show for it.
but end of day, should have Cuyle + value for a 7OA

Krav I wanted dobson, but went with 'the experts'.

I preferred [after having signed him for a bit less] we'd traded Trouba while that was possible, then have room for Nils L.
A Stars 1st was otherwise acceptable, but not again the stupid rental slavishly doing win now.

Eh I dunno if this is the right way to look at it.

I'd rather have Chytil and Suzuki than just Chytil.

I'd rather have Farabee and Miller than just Miller and a few games of Tarasenko. Farabee is really the only good forward from that 1st round taken after the top 4 so that makes that miss hurt less. Doesn't mean they couldn't have taken a D but it is what it is.

We got Bobrov'd and I'm glad hes taken his act to Montreal (where surprisingly, they passed on the Russian who is actually good this year.)

General agree but would have grabbed Dobson

 

[IDvsEGO]

The bolded is also mitigated by us turning Andersson into a 2nd round pick and using that pick to select Cuylle.

Kravtsov was an unmitigated disaster IMO. Yes, Miller working out softens the blow, but Lundkvist, not so much. We moved him for a 1st round pick and then used that pick on a rental. We have nothing left to show for it. Picks 9, 26, 28 and 48 in the 2018 draft, and we now are left with Miller and a 7th in 2026. I don't consider that to be good asset management. We needed to get more out of that draft.

See thats not a drafting issue though, thats an asset allocation issue.
They hit on 2/3 first round picks in a draft. both of their hits happened to be in the mid 20's.
The top 10 of that draft is wonky AF too.
Look at who's missed in that draft.
Zadina just cleared waivers and he went ahead of kratsov, hayton is just starting to look like a top pick. Kotkaniemi wouldn't go in the top 15 of that draft in a re-draft.

Miller might end up a top 5 pick in a re-draft in another 5 years.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Yeah kids are fine. All of them. Not a drafting problem at all. My mistake.


Agreed 100%

Yea ok. You let me know who you would have drafted 1st and 2nd OA at the time Laf and kakko were drafted when every single team in the league would have done the same exact thing. Also I guess it's time to give up on a 21yo and 22yo right? No way they can develop and get any better. Some of you guys are just so damn smart.

 

[IDvsEGO]

He needs to be better in the playoffs for sure

And no ones arguing that. But the discussion about panarin being a terrible player. He is 100% the best UFA we have ever signed, after years of chasing after players who come to NY and absolutely tank, he's actually played better than expected.
There are valid questions and arguments about it being a bad asset allocation because we were trying to tank, it ate cap space we were going to need (which its doing).
But at the end of the day he's still a top 5 Left winger.

 

[Shadowtron]

If we’re talking lias and Krav? Yeah, I’m with you. The people responsible for this are now in Montreal doing dumb things.

In regards to Laf and Kakko? Everyone takes them 1 and 2. They dont get buried on the depth chart by most teams and are actually given opportunities to grow into key roles by other teams.



Yes the guy who makes 11.6 and has been a no show in the playoffs 2 years in a row with a declining production rate is not a problem.

You got me.

Dude! I’m thrilled Clark is no longer here. I wanted him gone the second they called McIllraths name lol!!

Just to clarify, when I say whiff I don’t just mean making bad selections. I also mean having a degree of bad luck. Laff, Kakko, Cherepanov, Cherneski…all fall into bad luck territory. IMO

 

[Shadowtron]

Yea ok. You let me know who you would have drafted 1st and 2nd OA at the time Laf and kakko were drafted when every single team in the league would have done the same exact thing. Also I guess it's time to give up on a 21yo and 22yo right? No way they can develop and get any better. Some of you guys are just so damn smart.

I would have drafted Laff and Kakko 1st and 2nd along with everyone else. Unfortunately, the Rangers “lucked” into the top two picks in back to back mediocre drafts. Now with hindsight do I pick them 1st and 2nd overall? Absolutely not. Do you? A lot of luck goes into these picks. And historically the Rangers don’t have a lot of that lol.

And please don’t add things that I’m not saying. I’m not overly hopeful with these two. But that doesn’t mean I’m giving up all hope. I’ll be pulling for them yet again this season.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

And no ones arguing that. But the discussion about panarin being a terrible player. He is 100% the best UFA we have ever signed, after years of chasing after players who come to NY and absolutely tank, he's actually played better than expected.
There are valid questions and arguments about it being a bad asset allocation because we were trying to tank, it ate cap space we were going to need (which its doing).
But at the end of the day he's still a top 5 Left winger.

People have very short memories. He's been their top scorer in each of his 4 years here and a Hart trophy finalist a few years ago. He hasn't been good in the last 2 playoffs especially the series against the Devils but that doesn't mitigate that he has been a scoring machine and one of their most dynamic players. He also would have signed with the Piles if he didn't sign with us and probably would have helped them win a cup in one of those covid years. Yuck.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

And no ones arguing that. But the discussion about panarin being a terrible player. He is 100% the best UFA we have ever signed, after years of chasing after players who come to NY and absolutely tank, he's actually played better than expected.
There are valid questions and arguments about it being a bad asset allocation because we were trying to tank, it ate cap space we were going to need (which its doing).
But at the end of the day he's still a top 5 Left winger.

Absolutely . I don’t complain about 90 + point players.

 

[bhamill]

The Andersson wiff is mitigated by hitting on Chytil.
The kratsov wiff is heavily mitigated by hitting on both miller and lundkvist.
The Rangers surprisingly have done well for drafting.

Laf and Kakko have legitimately disappointed (relative to draft position) so far, though EVRY team in the league would have made those picks, and that colors people’s views of our drafting HEAVILY. Along with Krav and Lias. I still do not doubt that both of our high overall picks become impact players in this league. Kakko most likely this year and Laf this year or next.

 

[huerter]

Mika can't move around to the bumper spot?



We have three righties on PP1, bothe Mika and Panarin can move around.

Personally, I think they got predictable on PP1 trying to force the one timer. Letting someone on the RW by the dots that can pass and or take shots provides another element.

I also expect A LOT to change about this team, PP & PK included

Can you link your favorite Tarasenko or Kane goal on the PP from the right dot.

 

[bhamill]

People have very short memories. He's been their top scorer in each of his 4 years here and a Hart trophy finalist a few years ago. He hasn't been good in the last 2 playoffs especially the series against the Devils but that doesn't mitigate that he has been a scoring machine and one of their most dynamic players. He also would have signed with the Piles if he didn't sign with us and probably would have helped them win a cup in one of those covid years. Yuck.

Panarin has scored heaps. The frustration is that he does that while leaving so much on the table. He’s capable of far more. And of course he’s done relatively poorly in the playoffs for us. When we need him to be a game breaker most.
AND of course he is not near a good value for his cap hit. That matters.

 

[Bruner4329]

The rangers are built for sustained success. Trouba is gone by the latest july 1 2026 (likely traded sooner), kreider will likely be gone around july 1 2026, panarin gone on july 1 2026 and then you have a prime core of fox, kandre, lindgren, schneider on the back end to pair with chytil laff kakko othmann cuylle perrault up front with some solid vets in mika, trocheck sprinkled in + whatever ufa’s we land. Oh yeah and a likely multiple vezina winning goalie behind it all

This is pure speculation. You have no basis for knowing who will be gone. I can tell you now that if Kreider continues to produce at a level near the last 2 years there is a great chance he retires as a Ranger. The guy keeps himself in shape and no way he won't be playing beyond the 2025/2026 season. And the big assumption is that FC , KK and AL will start living up to form. Big assumption.