Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[NYR Viper]

Lets take the Puljujaarvi deep dive a bit further because I find it somewhat interesting:


2021-2022
Vesey
Age 28
15 points in 68 games (0 on the PP)
57 takeaways 33 giveaways
14:25 TOI
-1.1 CF% @ 5v5
0.9 p/60 @
85 hits

Puljujaarvi
Age 23
36 points in 65 games (7 on the PP)
27 takeaways 18 giveaways
16:14 TOI
+8.9 CF% @ 5v5
1.6 p/60 @ 5v5
81 hits




2022-2023
Vesey
Age 29
25 points in 81 games (0 on the PP)
56 takeaways 29 giveaways
13:37 TOI
+1.9 CF% @ 5v5
1.2 p/60 @ 5v5
98 hits

Puljujaarvi
Age 24
16 points in 75 games (0 on the PP)
24 takeaways 20 giveaways
12:14 TOI
+1.8 CF% @ 5v5
1.1 p/60 @ 5v5
139 hits



What I am finding interesting is that Puljujaarvi clearly had a down year last year but still drove possession and scored at the same rate that someone like Vesey did at 5v5. If I were to tell you that the Rangers could sign a player who, analytically was very close to Vesey but 5 years younger and slightly larger we would all jump at that opportunity. Hell, as it is, many are penciling Vesey in to the top-9 as a complimentary winger.

I truly think that if Puljujaarvi were used appropriately, he could be an asset to someone, similar to the way Vesey is used.

 

[Fitzy]

Panarin-Zib-Wheeler
Kreider-Trocheck-Kakko
Laf-Chytil-Goodrow(Faceoffs)
Vesey-Bonino-Pitlick

Either Belzile or Nash as extra

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Gustafsson-Schneider
Jones

So just analyzing the roster on paper

The top 9 is once again OK on paper, Goodrow isn't a player we get excited about but I doubt he will actively drag his line down as long as he isn't tasted with much of the puck carrying. He should always be the most defensively aware forward when he is on the ice and use the most conservative positioning of the three.

We're gonna be slow again, and kind of have to commit to that. Panarin and Wheeler should use Zibanejad's puck carrying ability and try to hit him in transition going over the opposition blue line with speed. Playing the puck "flat" across two players at the blue line can be difficult, but I imagine a lot of entries with A- Panarin drawing a defender and lateral passing to Zib- who enters the zone, and dishes on the packhand to an entering Wheeler just as the left defenseman closes on Zib. Not an easy play, but that's three solid passers.

Kreider and Trocheck have looked good in limited minutes, not sure what to make of that group.

Vesey-Bonino-Pitclick actually doesn't do much for me. They've got experience which is the plus, but I'd only play them 8-9 minutes at ES.

Gustafsson-Schneider has the potential to be an adventure. I've seen Gustaf play a lot against us and he's very susceptible to defensive zone adventures leading to turnovers. Most of his offensive acumen comes when he's already in the O zone.

I wouldn't have pairing 3 and line 4 out there at the same time if possible. I know Gallant likes to line up his best defensemen with best forwards whenever possible to get Fox, Panarin, Zib connecting for offense, but I don't agree with that philosophy.

 

[Vitto79]

Panarin-Zib-Wheeler
Kreider-Trocheck-Kakko
Laf-Chytil-Goodrow(Faceoffs)
Vesey-Bonino-Pitlick

Either Belzile or Nash as extra

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Gustafsson-Schneider
Jones

So just analyzing the roster on paper

The top 9 is once again OK on paper, Goodrow isn't a player we get excited about but I doubt he will actively drag his line down as long as he isn't tasted with much of the puck carrying. He should always be the most defensively aware forward when he is on the ice and use the most conservative positioning of the three.

We're gonna be slow again, and kind of have to commit to that. Panarin and Wheeler should use Zibanejad's puck carrying ability and try to hit him in transition going over the opposition blue line with speed. Playing the puck "flat" across two players at the blue line can be difficult, but I imagine a lot of entries with A- Panarin drawing a defender and lateral passing to Zib- who enters the zone, and dishes on the packhand to an entering Wheeler just as the left defenseman closes on Zib. Not an easy play, but that's three solid passers.

Kreider and Trocheck have looked good in limited minutes, not sure what to make of that group.

Vesey-Bonino-Pitclick actually doesn't do much for me. They've got experience which is the plus, but I'd only play them 8-9 minutes at ES.

Gustafsson-Schneider has the potential to be an adventure. I've seen Gustaf play a lot against us and he's very susceptible to defensive zone adventures leading to turnovers. Most of his offensive acumen comes when he's already in the O zone.

I wouldn't have pairing 3 and line 4 out there at the same time if possible. I know Gallant likes to line up his best defensemen with best forwards whenever possible to get Fox, Panarin, Zib connecting for offense, but I don't agree with that philosophy.

The 4th line will pk

Is Jones similar to Gustavvson ? Both more offensive puck movers

 

[NYRFAN218]

I think this is what I'd go with though I also understand it's probably not going to happen.

Kreider - Mika - Kakko
Panarin - Chytil - Laf
Vesey - Trocheck - Wheeler
Goodrow - Bonino - Pitlick
Brodzinski or Belzile or whoever wins the 13F spot

Lindgren - Fox
Miller - Trouba
Jones - Schneider
Gus

Igor
Quick

I'd really like Jones to get an extended look though I understand Gustafsson is going to get a lot of time and maybe even the spot outright. As for F lines, Kakko top line with Mika and Kreider seems like the 1 line that should be together but everything else is up in the air. I think it's time Chytil gets that look with Panarin and I also think it's essential Laf gets time with that type of talent too. I know the Laf on RW thing hasn't worked but I really want to see those 3 together even if it means trying to shift Panarin to RW especially since I'm done catering to whatever Panarin wants.

The PP units intrigue me even more as I think there's a lot of options here. Again, not what I think happens but what I'd like to see happen.

PP1
Kreider
Mika - Trocheck/Chytil - Kakko
Fox

PP2
Wheeler
Laf - Trocheck/Chytil - Panarin
Jones/Gus

Even distribution for the units to start the year. PP1 is simple thinking in that Fox, Mika, and Kreider are locked into the spots where they're at their best. You get Kakko on that right side to give him a shot there and Chytil/Trocheck are interchangeable in the bumper for me. Maybe Trocheck unit 1 to have him out there for the faceoff. PP2 you have Panarin right boards which he showed he's comfortable with and can handle on PP1, Chytil in the bumper which he played last year, Laf at the left circle which is where he excelled in juniors on the PP, and Jones/Gus who should thrive on the PP which also limits Trouba's PP time. Wheeler is net front. Don't believe that's where he's been on the PP but he's a big body and I'm not sure where else he fits in unless you're flipping him and Kakko on each unit. I'd rather give Kakko the look from the boards.

 

[SA16]

Lets take the Puljujaarvi deep dive a bit further because I find it somewhat interesting:


2021-2022
Vesey
Age 28
15 points in 68 games (0 on the PP)
57 takeaways 33 giveaways
14:25 TOI
-1.1 CF% @ 5v5
0.9 p/60 @
85 hits

Puljujaarvi
Age 23
36 points in 65 games (7 on the PP)
27 takeaways 18 giveaways
16:14 TOI
+8.9 CF% @ 5v5
1.6 p/60 @ 5v5
81 hits




2022-2023
Vesey
Age 29
25 points in 81 games (0 on the PP)
56 takeaways 29 giveaways
13:37 TOI
+1.9 CF% @ 5v5
1.2 p/60 @ 5v5
98 hits

Puljujaarvi
Age 24
16 points in 75 games (0 on the PP)
24 takeaways 20 giveaways
12:14 TOI
+1.8 CF% @ 5v5
1.1 p/60 @ 5v5
139 hits



What I am finding interesting is that Puljujaarvi clearly had a down year last year but still drove possession and scored at the same rate that someone like Vesey did at 5v5. If I were to tell you that the Rangers could sign a player who, analytically was very close to Vesey but 5 years younger and slightly larger we would all jump at that opportunity. Hell, as it is, many are penciling Vesey in to the top-9 as a complimentary winger.

I truly think that if Puljujaarvi were used appropriately, he could be an asset to someone, similar to the way Vesey is used.

He’s injured and just had double hip surgery

 

[Synergy27]

I'm not saying I want either but I'm not understanding the desire for Gurianov but the vitriol Pulujuaarvi brings to many

I'll say this also, if the team was looking for a new 'Blackwell' but who was good defensively at at puck possession for peanuts, Puljujaarvi wouldn't be the worst option. He skates well, has good size, has proved he can play with good players (McDavid and Draisatl). If his sole purpose on a line is defensive awareness, puck retrieval and going to the net, he isn't the worst option for $800k.

Panarin-Chytil-Puljujaarvi

He would serve a purpose there...

We already have that player in Vesey.

I was pissed during the Blackwell year because that guy was clearly hindering the development of Laf and Kakko in a year when we were obviously not making the playoffs. I’ve been bitching about having to play a “scrub” on the Panarin line because it takes one of our top picks out of a prime role.

We are past that point now though. Just put Vesey with Panarin and make sure that line gets the third most ES ice time.

 

[RGY]

If I am choosing between guys coming off hip surgery, its definitely Kane over Puljujarvi. Would much rather gamble on the future HOFer than the draft pick bust

 

[haohmaru]

He’s a first line layer that gets less even strength time than, according to you, 7 other forwards... You can’t have your cake and eat it too. His even strength time is third line level. It’s not an indictment of his play, it’s just numbers.
BTW I think Chris s great on the PK, but if they can give him more rest going forward in his career it would probably benefit him and the team, so long as Laf, Kakko and Chytil all step it up. And same with Mika.

I’m not going argue with you that a winger, who kills penalties and plays on the PP, with an ATOI of 18+/game isn’t a 1st liner. It’s ridiculous.

 

[Fitzy]

The 4th line will pk

Is Jones similar to Gustavvson ? Both more offensive puck movers

Yeah, and the thing is- I don't think a single human being thinks that Jones is better (today) than Gustaf. I think they bring a similar element, and there's no question that unless Jones progresses fast, we got better with this signing.

That said, I think Zac could learn a lot from the press box watching him play every night. As long as we get him a game here and there, perhaps Jones is ready for that spot full time next season.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I'm surprised theres more wish casting about somehow trying to get Kane back then there is wish casting about finding a way to fit Nylander onto this team.

 

[Avery16]

Has anyone pointed out the Debrincat - Knoblauch connection?

 

[NYR Viper]

I'm surprised theres more wish casting about somehow trying to get Kane back then there is wish casting about finding a way to fit Nylander onto this team.

How the hell would that work? I mean I'd love Nylander but with what cap space?

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Has anyone pointed out the Debrincat - Knoblauch connection?

Would be one hell of a RWer to add to this group. He'd easily get back to 40G and probably beyond playing with some of our guys.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

How the hell would that work? I mean I'd love Nylander but with what cap space?

I agree.

I'm just surprised I haven't seen people try to figure out what it would take to make it work.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Panarin-Zib-Wheeler
Kreider-Trocheck-Kakko
Laf-Chytil-Goodrow(Faceoffs)
Vesey-Bonino-Pitlick

Either Belzile or Nash as extra

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Gustafsson-Schneider
Jones

So just analyzing the roster on paper

The top 9 is once again OK on paper, Goodrow isn't a player we get excited about but I doubt he will actively drag his line down as long as he isn't tasted with much of the puck carrying. He should always be the most defensively aware forward when he is on the ice and use the most conservative positioning of the three.

We're gonna be slow again, and kind of have to commit to that. Panarin and Wheeler should use Zibanejad's puck carrying ability and try to hit him in transition going over the opposition blue line with speed. Playing the puck "flat" across two players at the blue line can be difficult, but I imagine a lot of entries with A- Panarin drawing a defender and lateral passing to Zib- who enters the zone, and dishes on the packhand to an entering Wheeler just as the left defenseman closes on Zib. Not an easy play, but that's three solid passers.

Kreider and Trocheck have looked good in limited minutes, not sure what to make of that group.

Vesey-Bonino-Pitclick actually doesn't do much for me. They've got experience which is the plus, but I'd only play them 8-9 minutes at ES.

Gustafsson-Schneider has the potential to be an adventure. I've seen Gustaf play a lot against us and he's very susceptible to defensive zone adventures leading to turnovers. Most of his offensive acumen comes when he's already in the O zone.

I wouldn't have pairing 3 and line 4 out there at the same time if possible. I know Gallant likes to line up his best defensemen with best forwards whenever possible to get Fox, Panarin, Zib connecting for offense, but I don't agree with that philosophy.

Goodrow 100% would drag that line down.
When goodrow plays in the top 6 he gets carried by the other two forwards.
He plays a very basic type of game, and Laf and Chytil would be dragged down by him.
He can’t maintain offensive possession, he can’t catch passes, and he only scores from inside 10 feet.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

How the hell would that work? I mean I'd love Nylander but with what cap space?

They would have to trade Chytil in the deal. Get rid of Goodrow that’s just for THIS season. With the bump in contract he’s likely to get you prob need to move out Kakko or Laf In the trade as well. You lose cap with Chytil and you don’t need to sign Laf or Kakko. Is it worth it?


Or you could trade Kreider (if he would accept)

There’s a big difference between Kane and Nylander deals

This is all just for cap. Then there’s the question of who Tor might even want as they are clearly a win now team too

 

[IDvsEGO]

Would be one hell of a RWer to add to this group. He'd easily get back to 40G and probably beyond playing with some of our guys.

He’s 5’7 and doesn’t have blinding speed.
He’s not getting on our pp1, and no he’s not hitting 40 even strength goals.

 

[IDvsEGO]

They would have to trade Chytil in the deal. Get rid of Goodrow that’s just for THIS season. With the bump in contract he’s likely to get you prob need to move out Kakko or Laf In the trade as well. You lose cap with Chytil and you don’t need to sign Laf or Kakko. Is it worth it?


Or you could trade Kreider (if he would accept)

There’s a big difference between Kane and Nylander deals

Steve Irwin voice:
And here we have the common ranger fan who is eager to send off a young + talented + cheap player for a quality player who’s significantly more expensive.

But seriously, I like nylander, but he’s a 9 million dollar player, and Chytil is a 4.5 million dollar player.
You move Panarin for nylander, and yeah it’s a win.
You move Panarin and trocheck for nylander, and it’s an even bigger win.

But when you move Chytil + goodrow ( who I do want gone)

You strip the team of depth and youth.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Steve Irwin voice:
And here we have the common ranger fan who is eager to send off a young + talented + cheap player for a quality player who’s significantly more expensive.

But seriously, I like nylander, but he’s a 9 million dollar player, and Chytil is a 4.5 million dollar player.
You move Panarin for nylander, and yeah it’s a win.
You move Panarin and trocheck for nylander, and it’s an even bigger win.

But when you move Chytil + goodrow ( who I do want gone)

You strip the team of depth and youth.

I’m not saying I do it I’m saying this is like the only way lol.

Panarin isn’t moving or getting traded.

 

[huerter]

PP1

Kreider
Mika - Trocheck/Wheeler - Panarin
Fox

For as long as they can go.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

LOL dude just refuses to hang em up.

Flyers are going to be all kinds of butt next year.

 

[RangerBoy]

LOL dude just refuses to hang em up.

Flyers are going to be all kinds of butt next year.

Back with Torts

 

[NYR Viper]

LOL dude just refuses to hang em up.

Flyers are going to be all kinds of butt next year.

Good for Marc. He and Torts know each other well

 

[IDvsEGO]

I’m not saying I do it I’m saying this is like the only way lol.

Panarin isn’t moving or getting traded.

I agree. He’s not.

We’re cap strapped this year, and depending how much term Laf and key get, maybe the next few years.

The kids need to take a step. Chytil appears to be a solid top 6 center, but if he can take one more step then we’re really strong at center.
If Laf takes a huge step, and Kakko takes one big step then they’re both top 6 wings, and we’re in a great spot.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I agree. He’s not.

We’re cap strapped this year, and depending how much term Laf and key get, maybe the next few years.

The kids need to take a step. Chytil appears to be a solid top 6 center, but if he can take one more step then we’re really strong at center.
If Laf takes a huge step, and Kakko takes one big step then they’re both top 6 wings, and we’re in a great spot.

Rangers need at least 15-20 more points from each. 60 point guys would be great.