Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition
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Michal
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MrAlmost
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Unlike Othmann, Cuylle hasn't put any time into RW to my knowledge. He is pretty exclusively a LW. But hell, you never know till ya know.
I guess its a semantics thing, but no one really runs a traditional checking line anymore.
I could get behind Kreider-Trocheck-Kakko though.
I could get behind Kreider-Trocheck-Kakko though.
I Eat Crow
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It's one of those scenarios where both sides wouldn't really be happy if they added. To me that says straight up is a fair deal.
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Team that just won the Cup had a 'matchup' line. I don't know if you can call it a checking line anymore. Carolina obviously had one. You still need to be able to produce and be effective.
The problem becomes is that they rely on Zibs to be that guy. He gets spread out way too thin. I'd rather him worry about being a goal scorer.
Kreider Trocheck Fast/Engvall would be nice.
He has taken faceoffs in juniors and not a center but for a winger he is decent at faceoffs.
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Don't know, but a bunch of small/non-traditional market teams making the final four really screwed any chance of getting more than the $1M increase.
Mac n Gs
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Maybe I’m just in my hyper-critical phase of the offseason after just seeing how Vegas won the Cup, but all of these roster projections just have me thinking that the makeup of the roster isn’t there and that they’re an overall flawed group.
Trying to buy a 4th line is just a hallmark of one of Gorton and Drury’s biggest issues with not having the organizational pipeline stocked well enough and leaving the team with poor depth going into the season. I just don’t see any way out of it unless Drury commits to shaking up the top-end of the roster, but I don’t trust him to get it done correctly. He basically needs to make his version of the Gaborik to CBJ trade, but it’s tough to figure who to move and what team to target for that type of trade. I’m not really expecting much from this offseason simply because there’s no flexibility to do so.
Trying to buy a 4th line is just a hallmark of one of Gorton and Drury’s biggest issues with not having the organizational pipeline stocked well enough and leaving the team with poor depth going into the season. I just don’t see any way out of it unless Drury commits to shaking up the top-end of the roster, but I don’t trust him to get it done correctly. He basically needs to make his version of the Gaborik to CBJ trade, but it’s tough to figure who to move and what team to target for that type of trade. I’m not really expecting much from this offseason simply because there’s no flexibility to do so.
haohmaru
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Unless the kids take a dramatic step, I don't see how the 2023-24 roster is going to be as good as the 2022-23 given the cap situation and the Laf/Miller contracts.
It's a big ask to assume that Othmann, Cuylle and Jones are going to be NHL ready and stick and Halak will have to go the Vesey route, if I'm Drury, or he's gone and Garand is up.
It's a big ask to assume that Othmann, Cuylle and Jones are going to be NHL ready and stick and Halak will have to go the Vesey route, if I'm Drury, or he's gone and Garand is up.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
I know it sounds crazy with how this team is constructed but I have been viewing next season as sort of a transition year. Doesn't mean they will be bad but no flexibility as you mentioned, the team as it is, just isn't good enough to win unless certain players take enormous jumps in their production.
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I just dont see them trading Zibs. How I feel the org views Kreider and Trouba, I don't see them moving.
If anyone was to go, it'd be Panarin.
The ending to Florida's run may have helped us. Panarin for Reinhart; add 2-3 strong forwards in the place of Panarin and allow your 'top picks' to sink or swim.
So if Goodrow stays with all other guys on the current roster are fans going to be upset ?
Hard to see them doing more than signing some depth 4th liners , depth D and a backup G
Hard to see them doing more than signing some depth 4th liners , depth D and a backup G
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The funny thing is, when i look at the team, I actually think they'll be better than last year, and yet are less likely to win the Cup. It's weird.
Trouba's not gonna be playing hurt for the first half of the season, Igor will probably not be so up and down, the Kids will be better, and our backup won't outright kill us early on in the season. At the same time though, short of Igor winning a Vezina & Conn Smythe, i really don't see the "It" factor that i think could carry us to a Cup.
Yeah, he kinda sucks, and is super overpaid
Trouba's not gonna be playing hurt for the first half of the season, Igor will probably not be so up and down, the Kids will be better, and our backup won't outright kill us early on in the season. At the same time though, short of Igor winning a Vezina & Conn Smythe, i really don't see the "It" factor that i think could carry us to a Cup.
Yeah, he kinda sucks, and is super overpaid
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If the team is smart, they can fill some holes very cheaply. Just look back to last offseason. Acciari signed for small short term contracts. There are going to be as many, if not more vets available for cheap.
I think the issue with waiting for someone to sign cheaply is they have to be ok missing their top 3-5 targets.
The rangers usually focus on a target and then go from there. The smart thing here is to sign the kids. See how much room they have, and then fill out the roster cheaply.
How much room will depend on the kids though.
Kulikov for cheap on D?
Can play both sides if an injury occurs
I’m not gonna be shocked if Jones is dealt
Can play both sides if an injury occurs
I’m not gonna be shocked if Jones is dealt
McRanger92
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I would like to see Mikkola re-signed if the price is reasonable. He is physical and can actually skate the puck up ice. A team may overpay him based on the success of the Vegas D though
Halak can get a bonus contract. $1M in base salary and $500,000 in performance bonuses which roll into the 24-25 cap if the Rangers don't have space next season.. They won't be hard bonuses to achieve. The 24-25 cap is expected to be $88M. I heard Chris Johnston say the 24-25 cap could increase by $5M to $6M. The Rangers want to win. That's all everyone says. They will need Halak. Valiquette says a playoff team needs at least 25 points from their back-up goalie. Putting $500,000 on the 24-25 cap to win in 23-24 seems like a good deal.
With a Goodrow potential buyout if a trade is not feasible, it would suck but the Rangers need the cap flexibility. They could pay two players for sure and maybe three players with a little extra with Goodrow's money. The Rangers want to win. Every lousy podcast. The Rangers want to win. $200,000 cap credit this season. $100,000 cap credit next season. The 4th year is at $3.65M but the 26-27 could be approaching $100M so it won't be that bad.
This is a good. The Rangers could get some good deals to fill out their roster with quality depth. Instead of trying to add these players at the trade deadline for draft picks, add them in the summer.
McRanger92
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Drury needs to sell Halak on guaranteed playing time to keep Igor fresh, and a shot at the 300 win milestone on a team that is going for it a Cup, which he also doesn’t have. Hopefully Jaro isn’t chasing the biggest payday and likes it here
Shesterkybomb
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I agree, look at what some of the comparables are making.. Marcus Foligno (3.1M), Nick Roy (3.0M), Adam Lowry (3.25M), Brandon Tanev (3.5M), Nick Paul (3.15M), Radek Faksa (3.25M), Joel Armia (3.4M) ... Goodrow at 3.64M was also coming off 2 Cup wins, 1 where Tampa had him top 6 for TOI for forwards and another where he was 5 seconds shy of being top 6 TOI again. It's not like it's an egregious contract like a David Clarkson or Blake Coleman. As you said, it's a fairly normal price for a 3rd liner, and when the cap jumps 3rd liners will be making even more.
And you notice a similar sort of mold for all the players above. Teams will pay a premium to lock in those sorts of players. If we didn't give that deal to Goodrow there would've been a number of teams lined up to make it. There should still be a market for him. It's not that he's bad or his contract is an albatross, it's just the simple fact that we don't have much cap space and need the flexibility.
Mac n Gs
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I don’t think it’s that crazy to be honest, and you hit the nail on the head. They don’t have the flexibility to make moves, it’s a mishmash of pieces that don’t really fit as a team, and they’re expecting those pieces that don’t fit to magically start producing. Seems like a lot of just hoping that things go well and Igor can carry them. Hope that’s the case, but I can see us being like Vegas last year or St. Louis this year.
Seems a bit too optimistic of a return, and I don’t see Florida making that move when Reinhart was such an integral part of their team and keeping them afloat when Barkov went down this year. I’d imagine they want to add to that group while they have the cap space, not try to upgrade what’s already a position of strength
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That would be a very bad idea. He isn't ready. He needs to play a lot and he won't do that in the NHL.
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