Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[MrAlmost]

I just had a thought. Would Kane wait to sign a contract until midseason after he rehabs? That's probably not a good option as he would likely want access to a team's medical and training staff after surgery. Also, I am not sure how the insurance works for players if they do not have a contract. That is to say, it probably doesn't. Haha

Likely not a good move, but it is a thought.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

It’s going to be interesting to see who gets bought out around the league this week.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I just had a thought. Would Kane wait to sign a contract until midseason after he rehabs? That's probably not a good option as he would likely want access to a team's medical and training staff after surgery. Also, I am not sure how the insurance works for players if they do not have a contract. That is to say, it probably doesn't. Haha

Likely not a good move, but it is a thought.

Probably not. If he signs a contract the team pays for his surgery and rehab. Why would a player pay for any of that?

 

[mas0764]

Would be a mistake not to bring back one of Tarasenko/Kane. Going into the deadline they will be looking for extra scoring and paying in draft picks and assets for it.

I love Goody, but the path is to move on and repurpose his money to Tarasenko. Sign 1-2 of the guys RB mentioned. There is a plethora of 4th line players you can get at a good deal.

I agree but the problem is there is just no money for it.

Kane is hypothetically possible if he's on LTIR and takes a cheap deal; the missing part of the season helps us bank space, and then he's like our deadline addition. But that depends if he wants to take a one year minimal deal to try to win a Cup here rather than going back to lose in Chicago.

I see this as eminently possible, though uncertain. He's gonna be 35. He's nearing the end. He clearly wanted to be here. He's made a ton of money already. Why is he gonna go to a different contender, all of whom probably also have very little cap space?

Tarasenko is a different story. He's just 31, he's got way more gas in the tank, he has a Cup already, I doubt his career earnings are as high. And while I'm sure NY is appealing to him, I don't see him turning down a big offer from another team, which I think he will get.

But yeah, paying Kane to stay makes sense, if we can afford it, if for no other reason that it could prevent us from wasting ANOTHER first round pick at the deadline.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I agree but the problem is there is just no money for it.

Kane is hypothetically possible if he's on LTIR and takes a cheap deal; the missing part of the season helps us bank space, and then he's like our deadline addition. But that depends if he wants to take a one year minimal deal to try to win a Cup here rather than going back to lose in Chicago.

I see this as eminently possible, though uncertain. He's gonna be 35. He's nearing the end. He clearly wanted to be here. He's made a ton of money already. Why is he gonna go to a different contender, all of whom probably also have very little cap space?

Tarasenko is a different story. He's just 31, he's got way more gas in the tank, he has a Cup already, I doubt his career earnings are as high. And while I'm sure NY is appealing to him, I don't see him turning down a big offer from another team, which I think he will get.

But yeah, paying Kane to stay makes sense, if we can afford it, if for no other reason that it could prevent us from wasting ANOTHER first round pick at the deadline.

Kane on ltir doesn’t help us bank space. That’s the opposite of how it works.

 

[mas0764]

Kreider & Trocheck should be the checking line. Throw Othmann or Cuylle on the wing and encourage them to play nasty. Both guys are locked in here and have nothing to prove. Swallow your pride and play the tough hard minutes so the kids can be in the top 6

~golf clap~

Yes. Tell Kreider his time in the top 6 in a featured scorer role is over. Go do the dirty work. He has the size, the speed, and the ability to do it, and it frees up the kids for the scoring roles. The kids need it and the team needs it. I'm not interested in preserving his top 6 minutes just to say he gets them.

He can still suck up 30 goals a season with his PP role. Getting the kids going is more important than making sure Kreider nets 40.

Kane on ltir doesn’t help us bank space. That’s the opposite of how it works.

It was my understanding that if a player misses a large part of the season and you LTIR him, his cap hit doesn't count for the time he missed, and his salary when he returns is prorated. No?

 

[mas0764]

Goodrow doesn’t have to be moved but the Rangers will have almost no option to bring in any players. I’ve run the simulations on capfriendly so many ways. If Goodrow (and no other money moves) stays, all of the holes will be plugged by guys making $800,000 or less. They will have about $4.5M to fill out a top 9 RW, two 4th liners, a 3 LD, and a backup G. So about 800-900K average per player. That’s with JL and Harpur as scratches and Laf (2.45x2) and Miller (4x3) signed.

There's just no reason to keep Goodrow.

 

[Hitch16]

There's just no reason to keep Goodrow.

I just hope they can find a trade - I hate having buyouts on the books. He makes too much to be on the 4th line. If we do trade Goodrow, we are losing a good player and we need to replace him.

 

[IDvsEGO]

It was my understanding that if a player misses a large part of the season and you LTIR him, his cap hit doesn't count for the time he missed, and his salary when he returns is prorated. No?

Nope.
If you put a player on ltir then you are allowed to go over the salary cap by that cap figure, but also no longer able to accrue cap space.
So say the cap is 80m, and Kane is 3m, and he’s on ltir, the rangers can use 83m of cap, which includes Kane.
It’s why ltir is a loophole for the playoffs, because the cap doesn’t count in the playoffs.

The issue is if the player comes back before the playoffs, you have to activate them once healthy, and lose the extra space.

 

[Bruner4329]

~golf clap~

Yes. Tell Kreider his time in the top 6 in a featured scorer role is over. Go do the dirty work. He has the size, the speed, and the ability to do it, and it frees up the kids for the scoring roles. The kids need it and the team needs it. I'm not interested in preserving his top 6 minutes just to say he gets them.

He can still suck up 30 goals a season with his PP role. Getting the kids going is more important than making sure Kreider nets 40.



It was my understanding that if a player misses a large part of the season and you LTIR him, his cap hit doesn't count for the time he missed, and his salary when he returns is prorated. No?

Yep that is a great game plan. To get the kids going give them more ice time. How about if they want more ice time they play better. Any coach worth their salt will play the players playing better the most. When Laf and FC disappear for games that is not going to get them more playing time. When FC falls asleep on the ice and makes dumb defensive plays that will not get him more ice time. Produce and that will get you on the ice more. We are not talking about guys with 1 or 2 years experience FC has been in the league 5 years. Basically time for him to S--T or get off the pot.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Yep that is a great game plan. To get the kids going give them more ice time. How about if they want more ice time they play better. Any coach worth their salt will play the players playing better the most. When Laf and FC disappear for games that is not going to get them more playing time. When FC falls asleep on the ice and makes dumb defensive plays that will not get him more ice time. Produce and that will get you on the ice more. We are not talking about guys with 1 or 2 years experience FC has been in the league 5 years. Basically time for him to S--T or get off the pot.

I mean Kreider disappears for weeks at a time, and then goes red hot.
But he never loses his pp time.

Let’s be clear Laf can produce more, Chytil can produce more. They also produced just fine for almost no pp time and 2nd line minutes.

The reason people want both to produce more is that the talent is there AND production on cheap deals is how you win a cup.
Laf out produced kreider at even strength this year. Why shouldn’t kreider get bumped down?

 

[NYRKing]

Not so sure Goodrow is moved or needs to be moved.

11.7M in space
3M bridge for Laff
4.5 KAM

I think they run with Harpur or Jones until the TDL on D. Cuylle or Brodzinski in the 4th.

1M for halak
1M Motte

Two other spots might be bargain reclamation deals. Just my guess.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Not so sure Goodrow is moved or needs to be moved.

11.7M in space
3M bridge for Laff
4.5 KAM

I think they run with Harpur or Jones until the TDL on D. Cuylle or Brodzinski in the 4th.

1M for halak
1M Motte

Two other spots might be bargain reclamation deals. Just my guess.

He doesn’t. People just don’t like him because he moves up in the lineup way too often, and he is overpaid for a 4th line guy.

He’s versatile and is exactly the type of guy we want in the playoffs, but his production doesn’t warrant that contract.

 

[The Gloaming]

Goodrow was horrible in the playoffs and dragged that whole line down with him. Too many giveaways and errant passes. Guy is overrated because of an OT Cinderella-style goal 4 years ago and being the 3rd most important player on a Championship 3rd line.

 

[duhmetreE]

I'm still waiting to see Goodrow be good a defense.

Blueger is a true 4C, waaaaaay better at defense and will come close to league minimum

Acciari will cost around $1-1.5M and is also waaaaaay better than Goodrow.

 

[JimmyG89]

Goodrow was horrible in the playoffs and dragged that whole line down with him. Too many giveaways and errant passes. Guy is overrated because of an OT Cinderella-style goal 4 years ago and being the 3rd most important player on a Championship 3rd line.

I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt in 21-22 because he broke his leg game 1 vs the Pens and came back. He also had some terrible linemates for the most part.

This year the 4th line was what EVERYONE wanted it to be. Vesey had a fantastic season, and was one of the best bargain deals around. We let Motte walk in the summer to only to get him back since he fit in very well and is pretty versatile when it comes to a 3rd/4th line type that can PK.

Goodrow shit the bed this time around. It makes me think he shit the bed last season too. Time to cut bait and use that money elsewhere.

 

[GAGLine]

Not so sure Goodrow is moved or needs to be moved.

11.7M in space
3M bridge for Laff
4.5 KAM

I think they run with Harpur or Jones until the TDL on D. Cuylle or Brodzinski in the 4th.

1M for halak
1M Motte

Two other spots might be bargain reclamation deals. Just my guess.

It doesn't work with Laf and Miller getting those numbers.

We would have no spare players and not enough cap space to add one.

If Laf gets 2.5 and Miller gets 4, it can work. Anything more than that and it starts to get tight. The Rangers aren't going into the season with less than 21 players, and they will try to leave themselves at least 500k in cap space for roster moves.

 

[bhamill]

Better to try to emulate the multi winners. Pittsburgh, Chicago, LA, Boston (though they won just one, they went to 2 others). There are common threads. Multiple superstar forwards, namely.

I mean, yeah, but Edmonton, so... I think its way more than that.

 

[MrAlmost]

I like Goodrow. We can keep him and the roster will still be good. Again, with a new coach and system let the group prove themselves. If they f*** it up again, then ship everyone out. I like Motte too, but if we sign Motte, Goodrow is playing center again and he is simply more effective on the wing. He can take draws, but he cant actually play center.


I like this line up. With Cuylle and Othmann in and CONSISTENT top minutes for Laf and Kakko, I see no reason why they can't be just as good as last year or the year before. If desired, we can sign a 4th line center to push Brod to 13th forward, which he is well suited for, but he has his family in Hartford so he usually prefers to be there. And he is the captain. And if its not Othmann on that right side, maybe another young guy makes something happen, or you sign a few more league minimum journeymen. With Lavi in, Hathaway is a real possibility though I wouldnt like him at anything over 1 million.

 

[bhamill]

It's gonna be Laf. He's the odd man out if Drury decides to go that route.
not only is this franchise committed entirely to Mr.Ranger, but we can't move Kreider's contract easily at all and we're at a point where it's going to take some serious negotiating to get a GM to take him at nearly $7M. Would take a lot of complex things within a trade to work out a deal given his contract.

Selling Lafreniere as an asset is miles easier than Kreider.
I wouldn't be surprised to see something like:
Lafreniere for Wilson +
Lafreniere for Anderson +
Lafreniere for Garland +

would solve a RW issue immediatley and allow Othmann to slot in on his natural side without issue.

35-40 goal scorer with a 50+ season, who averaged about PPG over the last two post seasons?
Kreider has 6.5 cap hit and 5 in actual money owed for the next few years... yes, a GM will certainly take him, but we don't need, and should not WANT, to trade him. Especially with the cap jumping in 24-25 and 25-26.

 

[Savant]

It's going up 1m this season, 4m 2024 and 5m 2025.

Will believe it when I see it. i think it’s very foolish to bank on that happening

 

[bhamill]

Agree. It will cost way more than people here think. It's a cap dump move that would cost 2nd rounder+. Maybe even a first considering it's 4 years remaining and his partial NTC. Everyone here seems to think he would be traded for future considerations... Best to just keep him

Disagreed. He still has value. And is an easy buy out. I will be shocked if we have to add, but yeah I can see the return being underwhelming though still useful.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Not so sure Goodrow is moved or needs to be moved.

11.7M in space
3M bridge for Laff
4.5 KAM

I think they run with Harpur or Jones until the TDL on D. Cuylle or Brodzinski in the 4th.

1M for halak
1M Motte

Two other spots might be bargain reclamation deals. Just my guess.

FYI with these #s you’re over the salary cap.

 

[bhamill]

Will believe it when I see it. i think it’s very foolish to bank on that happening

On the other hand I think it's very foolish to not plan on the strong possibility that it DOES happen, hamstringing yourself while other teams use the rising cap to get better and manage the cost...

 

[Savant]

On the other hand I think it's very foolish to not plan on the strong possibility that it DOES happen, hamstringing yourself while other teams use the rising cap to get better and manage the cost...

How much planning for a cap strapped team does it require though? More money = cool. The mistake is planning as if extra money is going be available when there is no evidence that it will be. Again.