Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE

[Fitzy]

We also know that a deep playoff run increases player value, in particular role players.

If we bomb out in the first two rounds the market for Goodrow may be softer than if he makes another deep playoff run. Motte's and Mikkola's price and interest around the league may also be heavily tied up in the postseason.

 

[Do you want ants]

I was looking at the goalie depth for next season and does anyone else think Domingue is going to be the backup next year?

Garand
Boyko
Lindbom

I could see them wanting to get Garand more time in the AHL with Boyko and Lindbom splitting time based on who is playing better in the ECHL.

I'd love Halak back but the difference between what he may want and what Domingue makes may be $500-$900k which could be used elsewhere...

Perhaps sign another vet to battle Domingue for a minimal salary, say someone like Zachary Fucale or Alex Nedeljkovic

The gap between Halak and Domingue is almost as close as the gap between Fox and Schneider/Harpur. If we want any chance at being better than a wild card or making the playoffs at all, it should be someone better than Domingue.

 

[B17 Apricots]

Colin Wilson was making about 4 million with 2 years left when Nashville cleared him for cap space a few years ago. Colorado gave them a 4th rounder. We dealt Namestnikov early in his last year for us carrying a 4 million $ cap hit. We retained a little. We got a 4th and an AHLer. Those are a couple of cap dumps for role players I remember off the top of my head.

Goodrow will have 4 more years left with a NTC. That'll limit things a bit but I don't think all that much. Teams know the cap will be going up at some point. In a couple seasons 3.64 mil for a good bottom 6 guy like that will be more common. GMs love that "winner" tag. That being said I'm not getting my hopes up about what he'll return. I'd be expecting a mid to late round pick. Maybe an outside shot that we get something a little more simply based on Goodrows reputation

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Kane is cooked, Drury should be making moves to keep Tarasenko even though it’s very unlikely it happens

 

[duhmetreE]

Kane is cooked, Drury should be making moves to keep Tarasenko even though it’s very unlikely it happens

Hoping Kane's playoffs is akin to MSL's. MSL struggled mightily in the regular season when moved.

but it's not even close.... you sign Tank as cheap as possible. Hopefully his family loves it here and he'd be willing to take under market value for a year or two.

 

[NYR Viper]

Hoping Kane's playoffs is akin to MSL's. MSL struggled mightily in the regular season when moved.

but it's not even close.... you sign Tank as cheap as possible. Hopefully his family loves it here and he'd be willing to take under market value for a year or two.

Tarasenko was on quite the rollercoaster in St Louis. The win the Cup and then he has a down season, followed by an injury and they couldn't pawn him off on anyone. He came back with a resurgence in 21-22 followed by another good season in 22-23.

He's made good money in his career. ~$65m just in NHL earnings. I'm sure he wants to get paid, but I would imagine that finding a spot where his family is happy and he has a chance to win every season is going to be a bigger draw for him.

For those reasons I could see him looking for a longer term deal with a lower cap hit just for security and peace of mind for his family.

5 years @ $4.5m

 

[Leonardo87]

The thing with Tarasenko, he is not just producing very well, or doing the little things on both ends of the ice, he gets cheered by his former fans when he scores against them. If that is not enough to want to keep a player, I don't know what is.

 

[The Gloaming]

Tarasenko is so good. I can't believe he was made available to seattle for free

 

[Fitzy]

Literally the only way to keep Tarasenko is to trade someone with a cap hit of at least 5 million dollars. You aren't getting there just by jettisoning Goodrow and trying to sign sweetheart deals.

Zibanejad
Panarin
Kreider
Trocheck
Trouba
Fox
Shesterkin

Who goes? If Tarasenko has a great postseason and Bread struggles, maybe it's him?

I'm still very much in the camp that we aren't re-signing any of our rentals. MAYBE Mikkola but I'm hesitant.

 

[NYR Viper]

Literally the only way to keep Tarasenko is to trade someone with a cap hit of at least 5 million dollars. You aren't getting there just by jettisoning Goodrow and trying to sign sweetheart deals.

Zibanejad
Panarin
Kreider
Trocheck
Trouba
Fox
Shesterkin

Who goes? If Tarasenko has a great postseason and Bread struggles, maybe it's him?

I'm still very much in the camp that we aren't re-signing any of our rentals. MAYBE Mikkola but I'm hesitant.

I think there is room for either Tarasenko or Kane from what I can see. If the cap jumps by $3-4m it's POSSIBLE they could retain both depending on the asking price and what other moves are made.

 

[Leonardo87]

Literally the only way to keep Tarasenko is to trade someone with a cap hit of at least 5 million dollars. You aren't getting there just by jettisoning Goodrow and trying to sign sweetheart deals.

Zibanejad
Panarin
Kreider
Trocheck
Trouba
Fox
Shesterkin

Who goes? If Tarasenko has a great postseason and Bread struggles, maybe it's him?

I'm still very much in the camp that we aren't re-signing any of our rentals. MAYBE Mikkola but I'm hesitant.

Cap is only going up 1-2 million I think, so won't have much help there. Tarasenko is going to get a boat load of offers if he hits free agency. If he really wants to stay here, he will take a discount. I mean he has to take a discount, there is no other way.

You move Goodrow, plus any increase to the cap, even if a little, might be able to lock him down.

 

[Fitzy]

The other consideration here is whether NYR should just go all in on an 8 year, 7 million extension for Miller which will become a sweeter and sweeter deal as the cap raises, and also ends with him still in his prime (Similar to Fox) or if you insist on bridging him in which case you're possibly looking at an extension later on in the 9-10 million range that takes you to 34-35 years old if he continues to improve.

 

[SA16]

Tarasenko is so good. I can't believe he was made available to seattle for free

Well instead they took Vince Dunn who has 64 points in 79 games as a 26 year old defenseman so would seem they made the right choice.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

What a tease with Kane.

Im not expecting him to suddenly turn it around in the playoffs. He looks limited. No where near himself, which kinda sucks because if Kane is Kane he would put this team over the top.

He'll still contribute, but its not going to be all over the ice driving play, its going to have to be on the PP and kinda sliding around into open space and slowing things down with his patience opening up lanes on the rush. He isnt going to burst in and create goals for himself, which is what this team needs to push back the D and lose track of his linemates in the process.

He may still find a lane for a shot with his deception and stickhandling, but hes going to need to be more cerebral in a Fox like way to really make an impact. The playoffs are a different game and flow all together, so he could definitely provide an impact in this way, but he isnt the game breaker he once was and thats become obvious.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

What a tease with Kane.

Im not expecting him to suddenly turn it around in the playoffs. He looks limited. No where near himself, which kinda sucks because if Kane is Kane he would put this team over the top.

We haven't seen toradol Kane yet.

 

[duhmetreE]

Tarasenko was on quite the rollercoaster in St Louis. The win the Cup and then he has a down season, followed by an injury and they couldn't pawn him off on anyone. He came back with a resurgence in 21-22 followed by another good season in 22-23.

He's made good money in his career. ~$65m just in NHL earnings. I'm sure he wants to get paid, but I would imagine that finding a spot where his family is happy and he has a chance to win every season is going to be a bigger draw for him.

For those reasons I could see him looking for a longer term deal with a lower cap hit just for security and peace of mind for his family.

5 years @ $4.5m

"Fair" would be something close to Trocheck... take away Center premium (-1M), $4.65 is fair-ish, leaning towards favoring the club. I think Trocheck is a steal of a contract, especially for a UFA.

If he's willing to sign for 5 years @ 4.5M, you take that all day. I'm sure that type of contract comes with a NMC.

We haven't seen toradol Kane yet.

They need to inject him with what they inject Biden with

 

[duhmetreE]

The other consideration here is whether NYR should just go all in on an 8 year, 7 million extension for Miller which will become a sweeter and sweeter deal as the cap raises, and also ends with him still in his prime (Similar to Fox) or if you insist on bridging him in which case you're possibly looking at an extension later on in the 9-10 million range that takes you to 34-35 years old if he continues to improve.

It sounds paranoid but I always worry about really young players getting a fat contract.

 

[The Gloaming]

Well instead they took Vince Dunn who has 64 points in 79 games as a 26 year old defenseman so would seem they made the right choice.

Yes it's hard to believe that St. Louis could have 2 good players exposed like that two years ago and become one of the worst teams in the league. Don't know what happened there this season but to me it's bewildering - thought they were the 2nd best team in the West last season.

 

[bhamill]

I'd say a 4th or 5th tbh. We're in a cap crunch & other GMs know it. They'll be trying to get him on the cheap.

But there will be more than one taker so that gets washed out. A team will pony up a fair amount because if they don't, another team will.

 

[Fitzy]

It sounds paranoid but I always worry about really young players getting a fat contract.

Me too. But it's more in vogue around the league now I think in part because teams would rather overpay a player at age 24-25 than overpay a player at 34-35. So we gave Fox more than we needed to these first few years but we will be thankful that he's not looking at an 8 year, 12 million dollar extension when he's 26 years old, taking him to 34.

Signing a 8 year deal at 23 makes a lot more sense if you're worried that the longevity of careers around the league is lessening.

 

[duhmetreE]

Literally the only way to keep Tarasenko is to trade someone with a cap hit of at least 5 million dollars. You aren't getting there just by jettisoning Goodrow and trying to sign sweetheart deals.

Zibanejad
Panarin
Kreider
Trocheck
Trouba
Fox
Shesterkin

Who goes? If Tarasenko has a great postseason and Bread struggles, maybe it's him?

I'm still very much in the camp that we aren't re-signing any of our rentals. MAYBE Mikkola but I'm hesitant.

Should be fine when the cap gets to $87M

 

[TominNC]

Wish we hadn’t gotten Kane. He looks hurt/washed up disinterested yet has that HoF resume (from another team) that means we have to cater to him on PP, OT,shootout. Screw him, he’s not a Ranger legend. Play him in a role he deserves from his play. Tarasenko was the right move. The guy cares, adds to the team chemistry and should be on PP1

 

[IDvsEGO]

Wish we hadn’t gotten Kane. He looks hurt/washed up disinterested yet has that HoF resume (from another team) that means we have to cater to him on PP, OT,shootout. Screw him, he’s not a Ranger legend. Play him in a role he deserves from his play. Tarasenko was the right move. The guy cares, adds to the team chemistry and should be on PP1

Kane is fine because he's not being asked to carry any specific line.
He's clearly injured and will likely get some shot to help play better in the playoffs.

 

[NYR Viper]

The price the Rangers paid for Kane was less than what they paid for Copp. He's a piece on the team, not THE piece on the team. That's a benefit for a long playoff run

 

[bl02]

The price the Rangers paid for Kane was less than what they paid for Copp. He's a piece on the team, not THE piece on the team. That's a benefit for a long playoff run

For as slow as Copp is (and not having a great year) I would say he was more effective than Kane has been for the NYR. Much better fit. I hope that all changes once the playoffs and he hopefully can pick his game up a bit.