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Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE

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duhmetreE said:
That's wrong.

They owed around 100-150M from 4 months ago, Holidays 2022.

The league needs to beat their projected revenue by $100M for the escrow to be paid off. All this information is in mainstream articles whenever Bettman talks about the cap.
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Agree. People just assume what Bettman says, goes. There’s a Players Association, too.
Bettman is laying out a starting point for negotiations. Not the end point. And frankly it’s a bit annoying that the PA is so quiet. I know they just got a new boss but, please, give your balls a tug.
 
duhmetreE said:
Player owed escrow. It was reported $100-$150M around the Holidays. Bettman projected there would be around $70M left at the end of the season.

For it to be paid off, REVENUE, NOT ESCROW, needs to exceed current projections by $100M. ( it was 150M ) That's not much when you're approaching/surpassing $6B and the already smashed last years projects by a large percentage
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There are so many numbers. Does anyone really believe the actual numbers? A few weeks ago, I read the NHLPA has had longstanding issues with how the NHL counts their numbers. Bettman is being disingenuous when he discusses the salary projections. The cap could/should go up without the players touching the 6% escrow cap. Frank wrote the cap could/should go up $3M-$3.5M without needing to change escrow. I heard him say $2.5M-$3.5M on a Canucks podcast earlier this week. Canucks Central. Elliotte Friedman reported the cap could go up by $2M without touching escrow after talking so some teams and player agents.

I saw a report on TSN from Chris Johnston that the players are content with a $1M increase for next season knowing they will not owe any more money and the cap should jump in 2024. Bettman won’t be able to mention the players owe him money. Even those numbers are sketchy. The NHL says $88M in 2024. I listen to Frank on his podcast and on other shows where he says the cap increase should be $7M or $8M higher in 2024 if the cap is $83.5M next season. Where does the NHL come up with $88M in 24-25 and $92M in 25-26?

Gary says $1M increase unless we have a discussion about escrow. Gary is the boss. The owners hired him. He has been there for 30 years. Some owners would like more cap flexibility. He wants to have that negotiation with the players.

$140-$150 million in December. $70M owed. About $100M now. Gary always wants something. Last fall, the cap was going up by $4M with the players paying off their debt. It would be close. A few months later, it wasn’t going up. $1M. The NHL GM's left the GM meeting in Florida three weeks ago saying the cap will be $83.5M unless something changes.
 
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There are so many numbers. Does anyone really believe the actual numbers? A few weeks ago, I read the NHLPA has had longstanding issues with how the NHL counts their numbers. Bettman is being disingenuous when he discusses the salary projections. The cap could/should go up without the players touching the 6% escrow cap. Frank wrote the cap could/should go up $3M-$3.5M without needing to change escrow. I heard him say $2.5M-$3.5M on a Canucks podcast earlier this week. Canucks Central. Elliotte Friedman reported the cap could go up by $2M without touching escrow after talking so some teams and player agents.

I saw a report on TSN from Chris Johnston that the players are content with a $1M increase for next season knowing they will not owe any more money and the cap should jump in 2024. Bettman won’t be able to mention the players owe him money. Even those numbers are sketchy. The NHL says $88M in 2024. I listen to Frank on his podcast and on other shows where he says the cap increase should be $7M or $8M higher in 2024 if the cap is $83.5M next season. Where does the NHL come up with $88M in 24-25 and $92M in 25-26?

Gary says $1M increase unless we have a discussion about escrow. Gary is the boss. The owners hired him. He has been there for 30 years. Some owners would like more cap flexibility. He wants to have that negotiation with the players.

$140-$150 million in December. $70M owed. About $100M now. Gary always wants something. Last fall, the cap was going up by $4M with the players paying off their debt. It would be close. A few months later, it wasn’t going up. $1M. The NHL GM's left the GM meeting in Florida three weeks ago saying the cap will be $83.5M unless something changes.
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Bettman be like..
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RangerBoy said:
There are so many numbers. Does anyone really believe the actual numbers? A few weeks ago, I read the NHLPA has had longstanding issues with how the NHL counts their numbers. Bettman is being disingenuous when he discusses the salary projections. The cap could/should go up without the players touching the 6% escrow cap. Frank wrote the cap could/should go up $3M-$3.5M without needing to change escrow. I heard him say $2.5M-$3.5M on a Canucks podcast earlier this week. Canucks Central. Elliotte Friedman reported the cap could go up by $2M without touching escrow after talking so some teams and player agents.

I saw a report on TSN from Chris Johnston that the players are content with a $1M increase for next season knowing they will not owe any more money and the cap should jump in 2024. Bettman won’t be able to mention the players owe him money. Even those numbers are sketchy. The NHL says $88M in 2024. I listen to Frank on his podcast and on other shows where he says the cap increase should be $7M or $8M higher in 2024 if the cap is $83.5M next season. Where does the NHL come up with $88M in 24-25 and $92M in 25-26?

Gary says $1M increase unless we have a discussion about escrow. Gary is the boss. The owners hired him. He has been there for 30 years. Some owners would like more cap flexibility. He wants to have that negotiation with the players.

$140-$150 million in December. $70M owed. About $100M now. Gary always wants something. Last fall, the cap was going up by $4M with the players paying off their debt. It would be close. A few months later, it wasn’t going up. $1M. The NHL GM's left the GM meeting in Florida three weeks ago saying the cap will be $83.5M unless something changes.
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I wouldnt be surprised if the GM's were told to shut up by bettman and that they were also told that the cap will be jumping anywhere from 4-5m. That they are using this period to lock up the players now using this lack of "cap flexibility".
 
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Savant said:
Tarasenko would have been a Ranger (or gone way earlier) if Cherepanov didn’t die.

Rangers have at least one cup if Tarasenko and Cherepanov were lifetime Rangers.

The Rangers also didn’t take Fowler because of Michael Del Zotto, who was great until Malkin sliced him open. In hindsight yeah a bad move, but not an indefensible one and teams didn’t really try and build around of a bunch of mobile non-hitting dmen a decade ago; which was one of the reasons they went for McIlrath

No one likes the McIlrath pick but again his knee exploded during his first camp when a team mate ran into him so who knows what would have happened if that didn’t.

There’s a lot of missing context here. I remember just being glad they didn’t take Gormley, and again besides the Tarasenko pick, there’s not exactly a ton that they missed here. They also would not have taken Kuznetsov because of the Russian factor, and the Rangers arguably got the majority of Kevin Hayes best years too. If you want to cry about missing Brock Nelson be my guest. 2010 was a very strange draft
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No crying here. It was a bad pick whichever way.

Tarasenko from what I remember exceeded expectations. There were concerns how he would adapt to the modern NHL and where he would top out at. The "logic" behind not picking him is he might be at most a 20G-20A typical homegrown Rangers player and not do well in a Torts system.

I don't agree that either him or Chere leads the Rangers to a Cup automatically. Dominoes for other moves. Center depth like they had with Stepan/Richards/Brassard a few years later would have still needed to be addressed

Brock Nelson was going to be the Rangers second round pick that year. Gordie Clark said that in a post-draft recap.

The "traditional Rangers moves" that actually should have been made:

-John Carlson over Michael Del Zotto (I was in Colorado with friends during this draft and shocked they didn't pick Carlson)
-Fowler or Tarasenko over McLIrath
-Wahlstrom over Kravstov

Note I didn't put Dobson or mention Giroux over Sanguinetti because the Gorton wasn't as big on the Canadian leagues as Drury and Lilles are, and it's easy for us to say what they should have done in 2006 but as Sanguinetti (now an assistant coach in the AHL) was a US PMD, that was in the Rangers drafting wheelhouse back then.
 
RangerBoy said:
There are so many numbers. Does anyone really believe the actual numbers? A few weeks ago, I read the NHLPA has had longstanding issues with how the NHL counts their numbers. Bettman is being disingenuous when he discusses the salary projections. The cap could/should go up without the players touching the 6% escrow cap. Frank wrote the cap could/should go up $3M-$3.5M without needing to change escrow. I heard him say $2.5M-$3.5M on a Canucks podcast earlier this week. Canucks Central. Elliotte Friedman reported the cap could go up by $2M without touching escrow after talking so some teams and player agents.

I saw a report on TSN from Chris Johnston that the players are content with a $1M increase for next season knowing they will not owe any more money and the cap should jump in 2024. Bettman won’t be able to mention the players owe him money. Even those numbers are sketchy. The NHL says $88M in 2024. I listen to Frank on his podcast and on other shows where he says the cap increase should be $7M or $8M higher in 2024 if the cap is $83.5M next season. Where does the NHL come up with $88M in 24-25 and $92M in 25-26?

Gary says $1M increase unless we have a discussion about escrow. Gary is the boss. The owners hired him. He has been there for 30 years. Some owners would like more cap flexibility. He wants to have that negotiation with the players.

$140-$150 million in December. $70M owed. About $100M now. Gary always wants something. Last fall, the cap was going up by $4M with the players paying off their debt. It would be close. A few months later, it wasn’t going up. $1M. The NHL GM's left the GM meeting in Florida three weeks ago saying the cap will be $83.5M unless something changes.
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That something will be the revenue smashing 'estimates'.
 
The New Russian Five said:
Rangers will be too cap crunched not to put him in the lineup.
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Exactly. Rangers are going to need to fill four forward spots (Kane, Tarasenko, Goodrow, Motte), a backup G, and a 3rd paid LHD with not much cap room.

Goodrow is gone due to cap, Motte hopefully back on a reasonable deal, and if Kane comes, back, it's on LTIR.

A center (Derek Ryan?) is still needed for the fourth line. They might try and let Leshchyun win it, but he's not an NHLer.

Garrand needs another year in the minors and the 3rd paid can be either Harpur/Jones in a worst case.

So the cap is tight and they'll have to go with 1-2 ELCs.
 
Harpur is a perfectly serviceable seventh defenseman. Who do you want instead? Brent Burns?

His biggest fault is that he doesn’t hold the puck. When it comes his way, he treats it like a hot potato. I’m always wary of defenseman who like to shovel their shit off to someone else.

But…that’s the basic seventh defenseman profile in 5he league.
 
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bobbop said:
Harpur is a perfectly serviceable seventh defenseman. Who do you want instead? Brent Burns?

His biggest fault is that he doesn’t hold the puck. When it comes his way, he treats it like a hot potato. I’m always wary of defenseman who like to shovel their shit off to someone else.

But…that’s the basic seventh defenseman profile in 5he league.
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I remember hearing somewhere that when harpur was in the minor's he was trying to practice puck handling and his coach told him to stop it. that they didnt want him handling the puck at all.
 
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Leonardo87 said:
Not sure what to make of this…if it’s accurate...

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I wonder how much of that is leftover from earlier in the season when miller and trouba were out for a ton of bad goals because trouba was clearly injured.
Their play since january has been significantly better, and alot of that is that trouba is healthy again.
Which led to the rangers making a solid run.
 
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IDvsEGO said:
I wonder how much of that is leftover from earlier in the season when miller and trouba were out for a ton of bad goals because trouba was clearly injured.
Their play since january has been significantly better, and alot of that is that trouba is healthy again.
Which led to the rangers making a solid run.
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Pre 1/1 they were at 3.33 GA/60
Post 1/1 they're at 2.75 GA/60

Almost as importantly, maybe more:
Pre 1/1 they were at 2.02 GF/60
Post 1/1 they're at 3.28 GF/60
 
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Flyers reportedly thinking of retaining salary on Hayes to move him. This isn't going to happen, but who would you rather have if Flyers retained salary to make cap hits equal? Hayes at 30 with his 12-team NTC centering Kreider and Kane, or Trocheck at 29 and a full NMC?
 
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Flyers reportedly thinking of retaining salary on Hayes to move him. This isn't going to happen, but who would you rather have if Flyers retained salary to make cap hits equal? Hayes at 30 with his 12-team NTC centering Kreider and Kane, or Trocheck at 29 and a full NMC?
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Trocheck no question. PIA, mixes it up, no useless dipsy doodling, takes important draws and PKs. Signing him was such a great Drury move.
 
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