Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE

[Clark Kellogg]

Thought experiment:

Would you trade Kakko, Laf, Chytil, and our 1st round pick for the 1st overall pick in this year's draft. On first reaction I said no, but then I thought about it some more, and Bedard is legit going to be a superstar (I mean even the rangers can't f*** that up). You free up the cap space from the kids and get Bedard cost controlled for 3 years (just in time for quite a few expiring contracts). With the freed-up money you can probably re-sign Tarasenko and Kane.

Would a team with the 1st OA pick do it? It essentially gives you 4 big young pieces that would expedite a rebuild.

I would, and more. I would start with any two off the kid line and the opposing G.M. Choice of Miller or Schneider and our 1st round pick.
All those players are replaceable. And even though Millers going to be a star one dayyou’ve got to give to get.
Bedard’s upside is generational!

And then you're the oilers with absolutely no depth. This is exactly why they couldn't get out of the first round.

Resign Tarasenko. That would mean you’d be holding your top five. Still have one left from the Kid Line to play with Bedard add Cuylle and there’s your third line. Goodrow, Vesey + 1 gives you a fourth line.
On defense there would still be 4 of your 6 current defensemen.
That’s a far cry from Edmonton.

 

[CasusBelli]

Thought experiment:

Would you trade Kakko, Laf, Chytil, and our 1st round pick for the 1st overall pick in this year's draft. On first reaction I said no, but then I thought about it some more, and Bedard is legit going to be a superstar (I mean even the rangers can't f*** that up). You free up the cap space from the kids and get Bedard cost controlled for 3 years (just in time for quite a few expiring contracts). With the freed-up money you can probably re-sign Tarasenko and Kane.

Would a team with the 1st OA pick do it? It essentially gives you 4 big young pieces that would expedite a rebuild.

Would I trade a third line costing $9MM next year and a lottery ticket for Crosby or Ovechkin on ELCs?

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I don’t know that he’s serious lol.

He is.

 

[and 99 others]

Thought experiment:

Would you trade Kakko, Laf, Chytil, and our 1st round pick for the 1st overall pick in this year's draft. On first reaction I said no, but then I thought about it some more, and Bedard is legit going to be a superstar (I mean even the rangers can't f*** that up). You free up the cap space from the kids and get Bedard cost controlled for 3 years (just in time for quite a few expiring contracts). With the freed-up money you can probably re-sign Tarasenko and Kane.

Would a team with the 1st OA pick do it? It essentially gives you 4 big young pieces that would expedite a rebuild.

in 2015 would you trade huberdeau, barkov, ekblad and a 1st round pick for mcdavid?

 

[egelband]

Brendan Lemieux requested a trade out of here. Unlikely he would be back. I like the player though.

I think Kane stays at a very small amount of money. He wanted to be here all along. He's already earned $116 Million making him the 6th highest player all time.

I think they find a way to keep both Kane and Tarasenko. Seems to me, Plan A was getting and keeping Tarasenko. A framework was probably agreed before the trade. And, as you say, Kane has his mind made up, it appears.
Just my take.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

in 2015 would you trade huberdeau, barkov, ekblad and a 1st round pick for mcdavid?

If those theee players had the same surrounding teammates and those teammates were on the same contracts then I suppose I would, but I do get your fair comparison of talent.

 

[haohmaru]

Pretty sure he's projected to be better than Kane.

Pretty sure that's not true. Let's let the guy play an NHL game or two first.

 

[Vinny]

I think they find a way to keep both Kane and Tarasenko. Seems to me, Plan A was getting and keeping Tarasenko. A framework was probably agreed before the trade. And, as you say, Kane has his mind made up, it appears.
Just my take.

Is this possible? I am more nervous of keeping them both then the playoffs. It just doesn’t get out of my mind. Basically I want to keep Mikkola also.

 

[pld459666]

Like the oilers? And they’re never ending parade of first picks?

Like Edmonton. McDavid may NEVER come close to a Cup there.

The roster comparison between McDavid's rookie season and what would be Bedards 1st season in NY is night and day different. Edmonton had Leon, didn't have a Panarin or a Fox or a Kreider or a Shesterkin. Nor did he have the overall depth that the NYR have and would still retain post the discussed proposal.

Additionally, one of the biggest challenges that Edmonton has that NYR will never have is the ability to attract AND retain top end talent.

Context matters and the comps for what McDavid went through during his career are absolutely and completely irrelevant to any situation where NYR were to acquire Bedard.

It's not a no brainer, but it's also not a deal you don't make out of concern over depth.

 

[egelband]

Is this possible? I am more nervous of keeping them both then the playoffs. It just doesn’t get out of my mind. Basically I want to keep Mikkola also.

I feel like Mikkola is in the perfect position to get attention with the rangers and land a nice $2.5m x 3 deal with a team that has some cap space. (Maybe more?). And that would be great. He should get paid.

Tarasenko and Kane have both made a ton of money and are in a different place. They can afford to take less in exchange for an amenable situation.

I may be wayyyyy off base. Just my speculation.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

The roster comparison between McDavid's rookie season and what would be Bedards 1st season in NY is night and day different. Edmonton had Leon, didn't have a Panarin or a Fox or a Kreider or a Shesterkin. Nor did he have the overall depth that the NYR have and would still retain post the discussed proposal.

Additionally, one of the biggest challenges that Edmonton has that NYR will never have is the ability to attract AND retain top end talent.

Context matters and the comps for what McDavid went through during his career are absolutely and completely irrelevant to any situation where NYR were to acquire Bedard.

It's not a no brainer, but it's also not a deal you don't make out of concern over depth.

The roster comparison between McDavid's rookie season and what would be Bedards 1st season in NY is night and day different. Edmonton had Leon, didn't have a Panarin or a Fox or a Kreider or a Shesterkin. Nor did he have the overall depth that the NYR have and would still retain post the discussed proposal.

Additionally, one of the biggest challenges that Edmonton has that NYR will never have is the ability to attract AND retain top end talent.

Context matters and the comps for what McDavid went through during his career are absolutely and completely irrelevant to any situation where NYR were to acquire Bedard.

It's not a no brainer, but it's also not a deal you don't make out of concern over depth.

If you think for one second, that we would not be parting with at least seven pieces, three of which would be the entire kid line and that in addition to Adam Fox, and this would just be for starters, you are living in fantasy land. Please reference the Eric Lindros trade.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Mikkola should not be re-signed, the cap will be tight and you can literally just plug Robertson into that spot for league minimum with Harpur to start the season. Even at $1.5M AAV, you’re spending an additional $700K that would probably be useful elsewhere. That’s how tight it is

I do think there is a chance Kane and Tarasenko take less to be here, they seem happy, but who knows what they’re thinking. Kid line will be third line forever I guess lol

 

[McRanger92]

Mikkola should not be re-signed, the cap will be tight and you can literally just plug Robertson into that spot for league minimum with Harpur to start the season. Even at $1.5M AAV, you’re spending an additional $700K that would probably be useful elsewhere. That’s how tight it is

I do think there is a chance Kane and Tarasenko take less to be here, they seem happy, but who knows what they’re thinking. Kid line will be third line forever I guess lol

Mikkola is a good player but he's pricing himself out. The only way he's back is if Drury wants to move Lindgren because of the injuries and future contract. Jones & Robertson are very much in next years plans imo, the organization just wants them to have as much AHL games under their belt as possible before they become regulars.

Fox
Trouba
Miller
Lindgren
Schneider
Jones
Harpur
Robertson

Pretty solid depth on D under team control next season.

 

[pld459666]

If you think for one second, that we would not be parting with at least seven pieces, three of which would be the entire kid line and that in addition to Adam Fox, and this would just be for starters, you are living in fantasy land. Please reference the Eric Lindros trade.

All I saw was the kid line and a 1st

I'm not trading Fox in addition to that

 

[McRanger92]

If you think for one second, that we would not be parting with at least seven pieces, three of which would be the entire kid line and that in addition to Adam Fox, and this would just be for starters, you are living in fantasy land. Please reference the Eric Lindros trade.

The lusting over Bedard is truly insane. There's 0% chance he is coming here and absolutely no way the Rangers are gutting the roster or dealing FOX or IGOR for him! Snap back to reality people my goodness.

 

[NYR Viper]

Are the Jets going to re-sign Logan Stanley? He was discussed as a possible LD acquisition at the deadline. Big guy who can drop the gloves when needed. RFA at years end. Perhaps he's an inexpensive option for 3LD and takes something like $800k per season for 2 years to build some value. He's pretty close to 25 years old.

 

[McRanger92]

Are the Jets going to re-sign Logan Stanley? He was discussed as a possible LD acquisition at the deadline. Big guy who can drop the gloves when needed. RFA at years end. Perhaps he's an inexpensive option for 3LD and takes something like $800k per season for 2 years to build some value. He's pretty close to 25 years old.

Is he really any better than Harpoon?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

We need PMDs, not ogres.

I would LOVE Orlov but he's going to be too expensive.

 

[IDvsEGO]

We need PMDs, not ogres.

I would LOVE Orlov but he's going to be too expensive.

You can't have a team of PMD's. You do need some defensemen who are just there to prevent goals.
We have fox who easily moves the puck, we have miller who can rush the puck and is starting to work on his zone exits cleaner.

 

[NYR Viper]

Is he really any better than Harpoon?

We need PMDs, not ogres.

I would LOVE Orlov but he's going to be too expensive.

I think Stanley is better than Harpur, yes. But the other thing is, it allows for an inexpensive 25 year old LD who the team can grow and develop while insulated and he would be very inexpensive depth.

I think it's clear the team is looking for a bigger #6 defenseman. They signed and played Harpur and traded for Mikkola.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

You can't have a team of PMD's. You do need some defensemen who are just there to prevent goals.
We have fox who easily moves the puck, we have miller who can rush the puck and is starting to work on his zone exits cleaner.

Yeah and we need another one.

I'm not saying I want an entire defense of PMD's, but we desperately need another one rather than a giant oaf who sucks at everything other than taking up space.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Yeah and we need another one.

I'm not saying I want an entire defense of PMD's, but we desperately need another one rather than a giant oaf who sucks at everything other than taking up space.

If you're talking about harpur. Yeah mikkola should be in that spot. He's been a good addition and he doesn't struggle as much moving the puck as harpur.

I think everyone is forgetting that bottom pair defensemen are just that, guys who are a hair away from the AHL.
When lindgren is back we have an extremely deep lineup and having mikkola and schneider on defense is a great 3rd pair.

People need to stop trying to make the 3rd pair a top 4 pair. Thats not what its for, and not what we're going to get.

 

[McRanger92]

I think Stanley is better than Harpur, yes. But the other thing is, it allows for an inexpensive 25 year old LD who the team can grow and develop while insulated and he would be very inexpensive depth.

I think it's clear the team is looking for a bigger #6 defenseman. They signed and played Harpur and traded for Mikkola.

Matthew Robertson is 6'4 and Zac Jones is a better fit for what the team needs. I was interested in Stanley at the deadline but I dont see the Rangers bringing in another teams bust when theyve invested significant development time to their prospect LDs

 

[NYR Viper]

Matthew Robertson is 6'4 and Zac Jones is a better fit for what the team needs. I was interested in Stanley at the deadline but I dont see the Rangers bringing in another teams bust when theyve invested significant development time to their prospect LDs

I'd have no problem rotating Stanley with Jones at 3LD next season and pushing Harpur to the AHL.

I don't think Robertson is ready yet

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If you're talking about harpur. Yeah mikkola should be in that spot. He's been a good addition and he doesn't struggle as much moving the puck as harpur.

I think everyone is forgetting that bottom pair defensemen are just that, guys who are a hair away from the AHL.
When lindgren is back we have an extremely deep lineup and having mikkola and schneider on defense is a great 3rd pair.

People need to stop trying to make the 3rd pair a top 4 pair. Thats not what its for, and not what we're going to get.

It was more in response to Stanley. I think Mikkola is a pretty good player who is 100% an NHL level defenseman, but he isn't what we need at that spot.

It's not about making the bottom pair a top 4 pair, it's about having the right kind of players there to make it suck less than it has. All of this would have been easier if Jones had just taken off with his opportunity and/or Gallant had the patience to let him work through it but its clear that neither he (or Drury it seems) has any interest in another undersized D. Doesn't even have to be a pure PMD at that spot, just someone who is pretty good at everything would suffice. Mikkola is really good at some things, but he's woefully terrible at others and those are things that we just happen to need the most.