Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE

[MrAlmost]

There are going to be more than a couple good NHL players available for cheap this offseason. Gather a list of guys and just wait. That's your depth players right there.

Here are some names:
Lucic
Okposo
Hornqvist
Dadonov
Donskoi
N. Foligno
Brown
Eller
Wood
Sundqvist
N Ritchie
Namestnikov
Engvall
Girgensons
Erne
Bonino
Rodriguea
Fast
Nosek
Kessel
Watson
Sheary
Hathaway
Stastny
Kase
Motte
Janmark
Cogliano
Ryan
Acciari
F. Gaudreau
M. Johansen
Perry
Heinen
Bjugstad
Nieto
Parise
Brassard
Leivo

There aren't enough spots for all of these guys to get good money.

"Good" is a relative term for some on that list.

 

[IDvsEGO]

"Good" is a relative term for some on that list.

There are some players on that list above replacement level.
They’re also not going to be worth the money.

 

[pld459666]

Prefer depth, but you make that trade for Bedard 10 out of 10 times

 

[NYR Viper]

"Good" is a relative term for some on that list.

I mean they are fine depth names. There's a wide variety of players for sure but if you're looking to fill a possible 3rd line winger role and a 4th line wing role on a team that should include:

Kreider
Zibanejad
Kane
Panarin
Lafreneire
Kaako
Chytil
Trochek

then filling a hole with either Bjugstad or N. Foligno isn't going to be the reason the team makes or doesn't make the playoffs.

 

[haohmaru]

And I think bedard has a higher ceiling than mcdavid. He's as fast, as good with the puck, and has an absolutely insane shot. Mcdavid (even though hes pushing 65 goals) doesn't have the shot bedard has.

Ludicrous.

Not directed at you, but general conversation:

Whoever is picking Bedard isn't trading him. Period.

Also, please see: Zibanejad, Mika ages 20-24 then 25+ and get back to me about Kakko, Lafreniere and Chytil and what they could possibly be capable of.

 

[haohmaru]

Great little nugget on Trouba and why you can't just look at charts when evaluating a player or their contribution(s) to a team. From NYP:

“I don’t think Troubs’ offensive numbers are what anyone pays attention to,” the wing told The Post ahead of the Rangers’ 6-2 victory over Columbus on Tuesday night at the Garden. “But when he is on the ice, you know he is on the ice.

“He puts fear into the opposition. He’s a captain. He can play both ends. He leads. He’s impressive.”

Who said this?

Patrick Kane

 

[NYR Viper]

Great little nugget on Trouba and why you can't just look at charts when evaluating a player or their contribution(s) to a team. From NYP:

“I don’t think Troubs’ offensive numbers are what anyone pays attention to,” the wing told The Post ahead of the Rangers’ 6-2 victory over Columbus on Tuesday night at the Garden. “But when he is on the ice, you know he is on the ice.

“He puts fear into the opposition. He’s a captain. He can play both ends. He leads. He’s impressive.”

Who said this?

Patrick Kane

He knows first hand as he demolished the entire Hawks team earlier in the year...

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Prefer depth, but you make that trade for Bedard 10 out of 10 times

It's more than depth if you really look at. It's the makeup of the entire team. He is only 17. By the time he is ready to take the reigns at the NHL level you have Laf, Chytil, Kakko, gone plus Panarin, Kreider, Trouba, Kane, Mika, Tarasenko a few years older or gone altogether. You also traded away a first last year, both firsts this year(assuming you make the trade), and a first or second next year. How do you build a cup winning team around Bedard in that scenario that doesn't take years to complete?

 

[MrAlmost]

There are some players on that list above replacement level.
They’re also not going to be worth the money.

I mean they are fine depth names. There's a wide variety of players for sure but if you're looking to fill a possible 3rd line winger role and a 4th line wing role on a team that should include:

Kreider
Zibanejad
Kane
Panarin
Lafreneire
Kaako
Chytil
Trochek

then filling a hole with either Bjugstad or N. Foligno isn't going to be the reason the team makes or doesn't make the playoffs.

Having a quality 3rd and 4th line is exactly what wins championships. I'd rather keep what we have and just promote Cuylle, Brod and maybe resign Motte. Every year we have people clamor that our depth is shit and that we are constantly dressing AHL level players on our 4th line. Or that it is too slow. Well they may be right, so lets finally stick with the team that is good for a change.

Again, why bother worrying about the Cap crunch when there isn't one and we don't even know yet what the upper limit will be?

 

[pld459666]

It's more than depth if you really look at. It's the makeup of the entire team. He is only 17. By the time he is ready to take the reigns at the NHL level you have Laf, Chytil, Kakko, gone plus Panarin, Kreider, Trouba, Kane, Mika, Tarasenko a few years older or gone altogether. You also traded away a first last year, both firsts this year(assuming you make the trade), and a first or second next year. How do you build a cup winning team around Bedard in that scenario that doesn't take years to complete?

You take the generational talent and figure out the rest later

 

[Machinehead]

It's more than depth if you really look at. It's the makeup of the entire team. He is only 17. By the time he is ready to take the reigns at the NHL level you have Laf, Chytil, Kakko, gone plus Panarin, Kreider, Trouba, Kane, Mika, Tarasenko a few years older or gone altogether. You also traded away a first last year, both firsts this year(assuming you make the trade), and a first or second next year. How do you build a cup winning team around Bedard in that scenario that doesn't take years to complete?

Bedard is ready to take the reigns now.

And if he isn't, then we would finally have to fix the elephant in the room that we f*** up every forward.

It would be a win-win.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

You take the generational talent and figure out the rest later

No, that's not an answer. A generational talent in Edmonton has been in the league for 8 years without sniffing a cup because he didn't have the necessary pieces around him.

 

[pld459666]

No, that's not an answer. A generational talent in Edmonton has been in the league for 8 years without sniffing a cup because he didn't have the necessary pieces around him.

No one wants to play in Edmonton

NY does not have the same issues of attracting and keeping talent

It absolutely is an answer

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Bedard is ready to take the reigns now.

And if he isn't, then we would finally have to fix the elephant in the room that we f*** up every forward.

It would be a win-win.

He's ready to take the reigns at 18 in his rookie year in the NHL? Really? It's not that easy. McDavid has been pretty damn good for years and still only has a trip to ECF to show for it.

 

[haohmaru]

No team is trading Bedard. This entire conversation is asinine for a whole slew of reasons.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Brendan Lemieux requested a trade out of here. Unlikely he would be back. I like the player though.

I think Kane stays at a very small amount of money. He wanted to be here all along. He's already earned $116 Million making him the 6th highest player all time.

For Kane to stay hed have to take near league minimum. I just dont see it.

Lemus is exact guy we lack man I miss that guy, one of the best in the game, especially come playoff time
He was our only good player in the bubble, that one game he came back after suspension

Pepe can play too. Hes not a plug. Love his style of hockey too. Total prick

 

[PuckLuck3043]

No one wants to play in Edmonton

NY does not have the same issues of attracting and keeping talent

It absolutely is an answer

Nope. I asked a specific question as to how it can be done given the scenario I put forward so "making the trade and figuring everything out after" is not an answer. It's a little more complex than that.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

I remember him very well. I was hopeful that he would have turned into exactly what you think he is but he isn't that. He's a pretty good fighter and certainly a troll but he's a pretty bad hockey player whose act wears very thin on pretty much every team hes been on. Theres a reason why he's been traded 3 times in a league where you'd think every team would want a player like him on it.

Between him and Krav you've picked some really bad players to obsess over. Like at least DeAngelo and Buchnevich are actually good, or in TDA's case kind of good.

Pepe is a very good 4th liner. If you can have that guy just play 4th line minutes youre in real good shape. Were not asking him to be a top 6 player

 

[PuckLuck3043]

No team is trading Bedard. This entire conversation is asinine for a whole slew of reasons.

This is very true. I was just curious as to how the GM's on the board would make that work in the real world and not a video game.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Bedard is 17 and hasn't played 1 game in the NHL and you guys are looking to trade the entire 3rd line of young 1st rounders who are developing and playing well plus a 1st round pick in this draft? That's a no-brainer? What about the fact that the team is built to win now and vets still in their prime? What happens to all the vets by the time Bedard is actually ready to dominate, assuming he does? Conner McDavid is also a generational talent and has been in this league for 8 years and still no cup. You need a team around him.

I would trade Chytil, Kakko and a 1st for Bedard. But its a silly convo as this is not realistic.

 

[Machinehead]

He's ready to take the reigns at 18 in his rookie year in the NHL? Really? It's not that easy. McDavid has been pretty damn good for years and still only has a trip to ECF to show for it.

Yes.

The guy sells out arenas for his Junior games.

He's a McDavid/Crosby-caliber prospect.

That gets thrown around way too much since Crosby came on the scene but Bedard is the real deal.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Yes.

The guy sells out arenas for his Junior games.

He's a McDavid/Crosby-caliber prospect.

That gets thrown around way too much since Crosby came on the scene but Bedard is the real deal.

Who cares if he sells out arenas for his junior games? He is still in juniors. I don't give a shit if he is the GOAT with respect to generational talents. He is not coming to NYC and the Rangers and ready to take the reigns of this team in his rookie year in the NHL at the age of 18.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Lol don't you remember him man? he was like a modern day Avery, Reaves was tough but he was old & slow, couldn't do much. I think Lemus was the guy who other teams hated playing against most, he played with such speed and intensity, he asserted his will on opponents. He was impossible to knock off the puck. He would get in scrums after every whistle and made players tremor when he stepped foot on the ice. and look at his dad Conn Smythe winner, his uncle one of the greatest to play the game. Watch Spittin Chiclets episode from that bubble series they were fawning over Lemus saying he changed the series when he returned to the lineup and how he was our best player. Lemus routinely put the team on his back think of that game in Montreal with his dad in attendance where he led a monumental comeback. The guy was heart & soul

This made me laugh. Mario isn't his uncle. Although his uncle was an NHLer, just not the one you think.

Jocelyn Lemieux Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

Statistics of Jocelyn Lemieux, a hockey player from Mont-Laurier, PQ born Nov 18 1967 who was active from 1984 to 1999.

www.hockeydb.com

 

[Machinehead]

Who cares if he sells out arenas for his junior games? He is still in juniors. I don't give a shit if he is the GOAT with respect to generational talents. He is not coming to NYC and the Rangers and ready to take the reigns of this team in his rookie year in the NHL at the age of 18.

Well obviously it's a hypothetical scenario, but I would trade anybody on this team for Bedard. That includes Fox.

He's on par with McDavid at the same age in a harder league to score in.

Like I said, the hype gets thrown around about every 1OA now but Bedard is a Hall of Famer in a box, batteries included.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Having a quality 3rd and 4th line is exactly what wins championships. I'd rather keep what we have and just promote Cuylle, Brod and maybe resign Motte. Every year we have people clamor that our depth is shit and that we are constantly dressing AHL level players on our 4th line. Or that it is too slow. Well they may be right, so lets finally stick with the team that is good for a change.

Again, why bother worrying about the Cap crunch when there isn't one and we don't even know yet what the upper limit will be?

Cuylle and Othmann. Don’t want brodzinski. He’s a 4A player. Too good for the minors but can’t hang regularly in the nhl.
Wouldn’t be surprised if berard makes the team out of camp too.