Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE

[UAGoalieGuy]

I'm not doing that deal to re-sign Tarasenko and Kane; it would be beyond stupid.

No team would be dumb enough to trade a generational talent for that blah package. You don't trade Bedard for a bunch of middle 6 forwards and a late first round pick.

I dont think there is any deal that the team that gets the #1 pick this year would make. It would probably have to start with Fox and Shesh then add from there.

That would cripple this team.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Thought experiment:

Would you trade Kakko, Laf, Chytil, and our 1st round pick for the 1st overall pick in this year's draft. On first reaction I said no, but then I thought about it some more, and Bedard is legit going to be a superstar (I mean even the rangers can't f*** that up). You free up the cap space from the kids and get Bedard cost controlled for 3 years (just in time for quite a few expiring contracts). With the freed-up money you can probably re-sign Tarasenko and Kane.

Would a team with the 1st OA pick do it? It essentially gives you 4 big young pieces that would expedite a rebuild.

No way, we don't know what Bedard will end up being. If he ends up being a 95-point center that would be a bad trade. Laf will likely at his prime be at least a 60-point, physical winger. Kakko should be a 60-point 2 way player, and Chytil will also likely be a 60-point offensive player in his prime. If one of them really hits their potential that we are even more golden.


The only way I would probably consider it is if i knew for 100% certain that Bedard would turn into the next McDavid and score 150 points a season. Even then I'd be iffy because as we can see with the Oilers, they havent done much of anything with their one massive star, McDavid.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I would. The team that has the #1 overall pick wouldn't, though.

100%.

Bedard is the best prospect since McDavid.

No way, we don't know what Bedard will end up being. If he ends up being a 95-point center that would be a bad trade. Laf will likely at his prime be at least a 60-point, physical winger. Kakko should be a 60-point 2 way player, and Chytil will also likely be a 60-point offensive player in his prime. If one of them really hits their potential that we are even more golden.


The only way I would probably consider it is if i knew for 100% certain that Bedard would turn into the next McDavid and score 150 points a season. Even then I'd be iffy because as we can see with the Oilers, they havent done much of anything with their one massive star, McDavid.

Overly optimistic that all three will meet those projections, IMO.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

100%.

Bedard is the best prospect since McDavid.


Overly optimistic that all three will meet those projections, IMO.

Yeah, I'm not expecting all 3 to hit their projections. If one does, I'd be happy. If two of them do, we'd be golden.

 

[DanielBrassard]

You make that trade all day long, even if Lafreniere and Kakko become very good players having one superstar would be more valuable.

 

[I Eat Crow]

You make that trade all day long, even if Lafreniere and Kakko become very good players having one superstar would be more valuable.

This.

Best part is you don't need to pay him until Panarin's contract is up.

 

[surlysailor]

You make that trade all day long, even if Lafreniere and Kakko become very good players having one superstar would be more valuable.

100%. Though if Michkov falls to say 5-7 before one of Wash or Detroit pick(IMO the 2 most likely teams to pick him) would you trade one of Laf or Kakko straight up to draft him? I think Michkov (still a gamble) will be a better player than either one but he won't come over for a few years. The team would take a short term hit but could also use whatever cap they would use on Laf or KK in FA.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

100%. Though if Michkov falls to say 5-7 before one of Wash or Detroit pick(IMO the 2 most likely teams to pick him) would you trade one of Laf or Kakko straight up to draft him? I think Michkov (still a gamble) will be a better player than either one but he won't come over for a few years. The team would take a short term hit but could also use whatever cap they would use on Laf or KK in FA.

No.

He won't be in a position to come over until Panarin's contract is done and one (or both) of Kreider/Trouba is traded away. I think the whole idea of trading one or both of those guys would be to get a guy who can step in immediately and contribute on an ELC with this current group.

If you want to sit on him and wait for him to come over thats fine but I don't think using an asset thats already on the team and contributing is really smart. Plus the Rangers would never do it anyway and I'm pretty confident that they're going to avoid Russia like the plague after the Kravtsov situation (they shouldn't, but its going to be what they do.)

I'd expect a VERY heavy NA draft. I know their top pick was out of a Euro league last year but Sykora plays like the most quintessential Canadian style of hockey ever.

 

[bhamill]

100%.

Bedard is the best prospect since McDavid.


Overly optimistic that all three will meet those projections, IMO.

I think THOSE projections are easily attainable.
Chytil is likey a 50 point player, or just under it THIS year. 60 points in a year or two seems almost inevitable.
Laf and Kakko at 21 and 22 are already likey 40 point (or just under) players. Laf is already one of our leading hitters and Kakko is already good defensively. 60 points for both of them in the next season or two also seems likely...
That being said, even though Bedard is more likely to regularly be a 95-105pt player than be 150pt McDavid, the team with that pick CANNOT take the risk of trading it, because if Bedard DOES top out at McDavid, it's a disaster.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I think THOSE projections are easily attainable.
Chytil is likey a 50 point player, or just under it THIS year. 60 points in a year or two seems almost inevitable.
Laf and Kakko at 21 and 22 are already likey 40 point (or just under) players. Laf is already one of our leading hitters and Kakko is already good defensively. 60 points for both of them in the next season or two also seems likely...
That being said, even though Bedard is more likely to regularly be a 95-105pt player than be 150pt McDavid, the team with that pick CANNOT take the risk of trading it, because if Bedard DOES top out at McDavid, it's a disaster.

Agreed.
Considering that everyone on that kid line is pushing for 40pts. You're trading 120+ points now without powerplay time, for possibly 60 points without powerplay time. You then also have to fill those two other spots with lesser players.

If the goal is to win now, above all else. You keep the kids.

If the offer was chytil +1st for bedard, you make that deal 100% of the time. But the entire kid line no.

And I think bedard has a higher ceiling than mcdavid. He's as fast, as good with the puck, and has an absolutely insane shot. Mcdavid (even though hes pushing 65 goals) doesn't have the shot bedard has.

 

[bhamill]

Agreed.
Considering that everyone on that kid line is pushing for 40pts. You're trading 120+ points now without powerplay time, for possibly 60 points without powerplay time. You then also have to fill those two other spots with lesser players.

If the goal is to win now, above all else. You keep the kids.

If the offer was chytil +1st for bedard, you make that deal 100% of the time. But the entire kid line no.

And I think bedard has a higher ceiling than mcdavid. He's as fast, as good with the puck, and has an absolutely insane shot. Mcdavid (even though hes pushing 65 goals) doesn't have the shot bedard has.

Wow. That's some high praise for Bedard. Guess we will see.

 

[UnSandvich]

Agreed.
Considering that everyone on that kid line is pushing for 40pts. You're trading 120+ points now without powerplay time, for possibly 60 points without powerplay time. You then also have to fill those two other spots with lesser players.

If the goal is to win now, above all else. You keep the kids.

If the offer was chytil +1st for bedard, you make that deal 100% of the time. But the entire kid line no.

And I think bedard has a higher ceiling than mcdavid. He's as fast, as good with the puck, and has an absolutely insane shot. Mcdavid (even though hes pushing 65 goals) doesn't have the shot bedard has.

I don’t think he’s as fast (at least based on what I’ve seen), and he’s a lot smaller. But his shot is on another level. Mechanically, his wrist shot is better than Matthews’, which is a genuine accomplishment

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Theres some pretty interesting options this summer worth exploring. Heres my general thoughts.

1) i love barclay goodrow but hes a cap casualty, we all are aware of this. Where he gets moved im not sure but i dont think he’ll be hard to move

2) our rfa’s and what type of deals theyll take. Heres my thoughts
- Chytil 4 X 4.75. Gets him to ufa at 27 and allows nyr to buy out 2 years of ufa

- Laff, get him on a 2 X 2.5 bridge with a handshake agreement that in 2 years he’ll be signed long term after we move trouba and kreider and laff becomes a 1st line player + PP player for as long as hes a ranger

- K’Andre 5 X 5. Buys out a year of ufa and a win-win contract for both sides. He hits ufa at 28

- Zac Jones: 2 years X 800K. Make him our 6th D, he looked really good in hartford this year and is coming into his own.

3) UFA’s: obviously let kane and tank go, cant afford them.

- Try to sign Bjudstad for 4th line center at 2 X 1.25.

- re-sign halak at around $1.3-1.4 on a 1 year deal. Hes been a really great backup after the rough start

- then sign corey perry. The reason I advocate for this is coming into camp is othmann is ready let othmann play with either laff/chytil or trocheck/kreider. If he isnt ready you can move corey perry up from the 4th line with bjudstad and cuylle to the 3rd line. 1 year $1 mill.

- if perry doesnt want 4th line minutes this next one is probably not realistic but id love it, brendan lemieux. Hes a really good 4th liner and has above average skill for that roll. Probably takes 1 year $900K too.

Panarin-Mika-Kakko
Kreider-Trocheck-Vesey
Laff-Chytil-Othmann
Cuylee-Bjudstad-Lemieux
13th at league min

Lindgren-Fox
Kandre-Trouba
Jones-Schneider
Harpur

If Lemieux gets the online crowds panties in a bunch just replace him with corey perry or a phil kessel type in the lineup. Obviously kessel wont play 4th so itll have to be juggled a bit.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Wow. That's some high praise for Bedard. Guess we will see.

The only knock on him is his size. He’s probably going to be drafted at 5’9, but he’s got some legit aggressiveness and he’s a strong enough skater that he can figure it out quickly.

But his hands are nhl elite, his skating is nhl elite, his burst is exceptional, and his shot may immediately be the 2nd best in the nhl.
He could sit still in the offensive zone and probably score 40 goals his rookie year it’s that lethal.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I don’t think he’s as fast (at least based on what I’ve seen), and he’s a lot smaller. But his shot is on another level. Mechanically, his wrist shot is better than Matthews’, which is a genuine accomplishment

He's Auston Matthews if Austin Matthews could skate. Body frames are not similar but styles of play are.

 

[Lion Hound]

Theres some pretty interesting options this summer worth exploring. Heres my general thoughts.

1) i love barclay goodrow but hes a cap casualty, we all are aware of this. Where he gets moved im not sure but i dont think he’ll be hard to move

2) our rfa’s and what type of deals theyll take. Heres my thoughts
- Chytil 4 X 4.75. Gets him to ufa at 27 and allows nyr to buy out 2 years of ufa

- Laff, get him on a 2 X 2.5 bridge with a handshake agreement that in 2 years he’ll be signed long term after we move trouba and kreider and laff becomes a 1st line player + PP player for as long as hes a ranger

- K’Andre 5 X 5. Buys out a year of ufa and a win-win contract for both sides. He hits ufa at 28

- Zac Jones: 2 years X 800K. Make him our 6th D, he looked really good in hartford this year and is coming into his own.

3) UFA’s: obviously let kane and tank go, cant afford them.

- Try to sign Bjudstad for 4th line center at 2 X 1.25.

- re-sign halak at around $1.3-1.4 on a 1 year deal. Hes been a really great backup after the rough start

- then sign corey perry. The reason I advocate for this is coming into camp is othmann is ready let othmann play with either laff/chytil or trocheck/kreider. If he isnt ready you can move corey perry up from the 4th line with bjudstad and cuylle to the 3rd line. 1 year $1 mill.

- if perry doesnt want 4th line minutes this next one is probably not realistic but id love it, brendan lemieux. Hes a really good 4th liner and has above average skill for that roll. Probably takes 1 year $900K too.

Panarin-Mika-Kakko
Kreider-Trocheck-Vesey
Laff-Chytil-Othmann
Cuylee-Bjudstad-Lemieux
13th at league min

Lindgren-Fox
Kandre-Trouba
Jones-Schneider
Harpur

If Lemieux gets the online crowds panties in a bunch just replace him with corey perry or a phil kessel type in the lineup. Obviously kessel wont play 4th so itll have to be juggled a bit.

Brendan Lemieux requested a trade out of here. Unlikely he would be back. I like the player though.

I think Kane stays at a very small amount of money. He wanted to be here all along. He's already earned $116 Million making him the 6th highest player all time.

 

[bhamill]

Brendan Lemieux requested a trade out of here. Unlikely he would be back. I like the player though.

I think Kane stays at a very small amount of money. He wanted to be here all along. He's already earned $116 Million making him the 6th highest player all time.

And honestly he might be LTIR for the majority of 23-24 so the cap hit could be negligible next season and then the Cap should be going up.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Lemus is exact guy we lack man I miss that guy, one of the best in the game, especially come playoff time
He was our only good player in the bubble, that one game he came back after suspension

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Lemu is exact guy we lack man I miss that guy, one of the best in the game, especially come playoff time
He was our only good player in the bubble, that one game he came back after suspension

On what? The Kravtsov scale?


He has one point in 8 playoff games and that one goal was a shot that had no business going in.

 

[MrAlmost]

Lemu is exact guy we lack man I miss that guy, one of the best in the game, especially come playoff time
He was our only good player in the bubble, that one game he came back after suspension

He is dog shit.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Lemus is exact guy we lack man I miss that guy, one of the best in the game, especially come playoff time
He was our only good player in the bubble, that one game he came back after suspension

Who gave him that busted eye?

 

[EdJovanovski]

On what? The Kravtsov scale?


He has one point in 8 playoff games and that one goal was a shot that had no business going in.

Lol don't you remember him man? he was like a modern day Avery, Reaves was tough but he was old & slow, couldn't do much. I think Lemus was the guy who other teams hated playing against most, he played with such speed and intensity, he asserted his will on opponents. He was impossible to knock off the puck. He would get in scrums after every whistle and made players tremor when he stepped foot on the ice. and look at his dad Conn Smythe winner, his uncle one of the greatest to play the game. Watch Spittin Chiclets episode from that bubble series they were fawning over Lemus saying he changed the series when he returned to the lineup and how he was our best player. Lemus routinely put the team on his back think of that game in Montreal with his dad in attendance where he led a monumental comeback. The guy was heart & soul

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Lol don't you remember him man? he was like a modern day Avery, Reaves was tough but he was old & slow, couldn't do much. I think Lemus was the guy who other teams hated playing against most, he played with such speed and intensity, he asserted his will on opponents. He was impossible to knock off the puck. He would get in scrums after every whistle and made players tremor when he stepped foot on the ice. and look at his dad Conn Smythe winner, his uncle one of the greatest to play the game. Watch Spittin Chiclets episode from that bubble series they were fawning over Lemus saying he changed the series when he returned to the lineup and how he was our best player. Lemus routinely put the team on his back think of that game in Montreal with his dad in attendance where he led a monumental comeback. The guy was heart & soul

I remember him very well. I was hopeful that he would have turned into exactly what you think he is but he isn't that. He's a pretty good fighter and certainly a troll but he's a pretty bad hockey player whose act wears very thin on pretty much every team hes been on. Theres a reason why he's been traded 3 times in a league where you'd think every team would want a player like him on it.

Between him and Krav you've picked some really bad players to obsess over. Like at least DeAngelo and Buchnevich are actually good, or in TDA's case kind of good.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Bedard is 17 and hasn't played 1 game in the NHL and you guys are looking to trade the entire 3rd line of young 1st rounders who are developing and playing well plus a 1st round pick in this draft? That's a no-brainer? What about the fact that the team is built to win now and vets still in their prime? What happens to all the vets by the time Bedard is actually ready to dominate, assuming he does? Conner McDavid is also a generational talent and has been in this league for 8 years and still no cup. You need a team around him.

 

[NYR Viper]

There are going to be more than a couple good NHL players available for cheap this offseason. Gather a list of guys and just wait. That's your depth players right there.

Here are some names:
Lucic
Okposo
Hornqvist
Dadonov
Donskoi
N. Foligno
Brown
Eller
Wood
Sundqvist
N Ritchie
Namestnikov
Engvall
Girgensons
Erne
Bonino
Rodriguea
Fast
Nosek
Kessel
Watson
Sheary
Hathaway
Stastny
Kase
Motte
Janmark
Cogliano
Ryan
Acciari
F. Gaudreau
M. Johansen
Perry
Heinen
Bjugstad
Nieto
Parise
Brassard
Leivo

There aren't enough spots for all of these guys to get good money.