Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE

[IDvsEGO]

We have to stop with this whole Kids verse Vets narrative. It's ONE TEAM.

You do realize its not us who started this narrative right? We're pointing out what the coach chooses to do, and clearly reflects an internal bias.
Now maybe that bias is gone this year, but we're pointing out past actions.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

You do realize its not us who started this narrative right? We're pointing out what the coach chooses to do, and clearly reflects an internal bias.
Now maybe that bias is gone this year, but we're pointing out past actions.

What bias? Biased towards winning games? When the kids play well, they get ice time. When they don't, their minutes get decreased. Why is this so hard to get? Why are we still having this debate?

 

[UnSandvich]

Just send Goodrow back to San Jose. They're moving Karlsson this summer. You've got basically Couture and Hertl as the only veterans up front. The remaining guys are just that, another guy. I'm sure Quinn would love Goodrow. Grier and Drury connection. Can talk up what Goodrow brought to the room in NY. They've got a bunch of young guys, so there is plenty of opportunity to help out.

We won't need that anymore. If we have another long run (hopefully ending with a cup), you're entire roster will have 40+ playoff games under their belts. His leadership isn't needed anymore.

San Jose & Buffalo are the two teams that stick out to me for that

 

[haohmaru]

You do realize its not us who started this narrative right? We're pointing out what the coach chooses to do, and clearly reflects an internal bias.
Now maybe that bias is gone this year, but we're pointing out past actions.

Gerard Gallant is 95-44-16 with a .665 winning percentage as coach of the Rangers whose mandate was to W-I-N N-O-W per ownership and GM.

He is doing precisely what he was told to do and in a (so far) historically successful way.

Staple said in his article he posted today he thinks one of the kids have to be traded this summer. Specifically mentions Laf as the most probably

I heard this in another podcast (I forget which? The Broadway Hat maybe?) where he was interviewing a long time writer for Chicago about Kane etc... and they brought up the off season where he (the Chicago writer) thinks Lafreniere will have to be a casualty in order to lock up an "elite future 1D pairing guy" in Miller at the expense of a "3rd line winger".

 

[haohmaru]

Yeah, I mean it is dumb.
Lafreniere is certainly not untouchable, but since they'd never get value for him, and they don't need to trade him... he's not going anywhere.

I agree that I don't think he'll be traded but I'll disagree on trade value - he'd get a tidy sum based on pedigree and age. He wouldn't be cheap for another club to acquire.

 

[kinger8998]

I agree that I don't think he'll be traded but I'll disagree on trade value - he'd get a tidy sum based on pedigree and age. He wouldn't be cheap for another club to acquire.

Value is relative to each team in the trade. It's a factor most forget.

 

[Savant]

You do realize it’s not us who started this narrative right?

yes it was

 

[IDvsEGO]

What bias? Biased towards winning games? When the kids play well, they get ice time. When they don't, their minutes get decreased. Why is this so hard to get? Why are we still having this debate?

Because Kreider and panarin played like ass for how many weeks in the middle of the season, and kept getting fed minutes.

The point I'm simply making is the kids have a leash.

A coach always wants to win games. Its also the same reason quinn gave over not developing anyone.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Because Kreider and panarin played like ass for how many weeks in the middle of the season, and kept getting fed minutes.

The point I'm simply making is the kids have a leash.

A coach always wants to win games. Its also the same reason quinn gave over not developing anyone.

The kids should have a leash! Kreider and Panarin have proven themselves in this league for years. When Kreider was younger he was on a leash. He was sent down to Hartford, scratched in playoff games, didn't see the ice in the 3rd period. You make it seem like this is some new approach with young players. There were spurts this season where Laff was absolutely horrendous and if we're being honest, he should have been scratched more than one game.

 

[Greg02]

I think that if it comes to pass that Alexis Lafreniere is traded this offseason, it will feel a bit like a relief to me.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I think that if it comes to pass that Alexis Lafreniere is traded this offseason, it will feel a bit like a relief to me.

lol what?

 

[I Eat Crow]

Goodrow to SJ for their own 2024 2nd and their own 2023 3rd round pick.

No need to trade one of the kids. Lafreniere's value is going to be at an all time low. He can be bridged for under $2.5 million. You're not doing better than him at that cap number for the next two years as has been mentioned here. Bridge the kids and re-evaluate after the bridge deals.

Chytil earned himself a modest 3-4 year deal. I wouldn't deal him. Who plays 3C next year? McConnel-Barker isn't winning that spot out of camp next year. He's at least two years away.

 

[IDvsEGO]

The kids should have a leash! Kreider and Panarin have proven themselves in this league for years. When Kreider was younger he was on a leash. He was sent down to Hartford, scratched in playoff games, didn't see the ice in the 3rd period. You make it seem like this is some new approach with young players. There were spurts this season where Laff was absolutely horrendous and if we're being honest, he should have been scratched more than one game.

and yet we complain that Laf isnt putting up 60 points...

Goodrow to SJ for their own 2024 2nd and their own 2023 3rd round pick.

No need to trade one of the kids. Lafreniere's value is going to be at an all time low. He can be bridged for under $2.5 million. You're not doing better than him at that cap number for the next two years as has been mentioned here. Bridge the kids and re-evaluate after the bridge deals.

Chytil earned himself a modest 3-4 year deal. I wouldn't deal him. Who plays 3C next year? McConnel-Barker isn't winning that spot out of camp next year. He's at least two years away.

id rather lock Chytil up. Bridge deals hurt us last time. Chytil at 6m x 8y, huge raise but runs until he’s 31 and we now have all 3 centers locked up and enough space to keep miller, and Laf.
Chytil takes even a small step forward and he’s out performing that contract.

 

[I Eat Crow]

and yet we complain that Laf isnt putting up 60 points...

id rather lock Chytil up. Bridge deals hurt us last time. Chytil at 6m x 8y, huge raise but runs until he’s 31 and we now have all 3 centers locked up and enough space to keep miller, and Laf.
Chytil takes even a small step forward and he’s out performing that contract.

Not enough cap to lock him up at that number. A 3 or 4 year deal lets the team re-evaluate at that time if he can be a piece moving forward after the team will have to inevitably retool after the Trouba, Panarin, Kreider era is over.

 

[McRanger92]

Gerard Gallant is 95-44-16 with a .665 winning percentage as coach of the Rangers whose mandate was to W-I-N N-O-W per ownership and GM.

He is doing precisely what he was told to do and in a (so far) historically successful way.



I heard this in another podcast (I forget which? The Broadway Hat maybe?) where he was interviewing a long time writer for Chicago about Kane etc... and they brought up the off season where he (the Chicago writer) thinks Lafreniere will have to be a casualty in order to lock up an "elite future 1D pairing guy" in Miller at the expense of a "3rd line winger".

What can we get for Laf if they do trade him? I like him and want to keep him but he’s not untouchable

 

[I Eat Crow]

What can we get for Laf if they do trade him? I like him and want to keep him but he’s not untouchable

Nothing that's going to make it worthwhile at this point, IMO.

You could plead a case for it last summer or early this season if you could get a high 2023 pick for him, but that's just not going to happen now for lots of reasons.

 

[Greg02]

lol what?

- I don't think he's very good right now
- I don't really like watching him play
- As his ELC wraps up, it's hard for me to picture what tools he has that will enable him to be a star

At the end of the day, the whole "are we ruining Lafreniere" saga has not been fun. And so if it's ending in a couple months, I don't think I'm going to lose sleep over it.

 

[haohmaru]

Fun Fact:

If the Rangers can manage 13 points in the next 9 games they'll have the highest point totals in consecutive seasons in their history (110, 109+).

(Early 70's 109, 109)

 

[nsvoyageurs]

Off topic, I know;

Emily Kaplan, in an article from ESPN(dot)com posted yesterday, has NYR AGM Ryan Martin as a possible NHL GM candidate in the not-too-distant future. Not sure what role he plays in the organization.

Ryan Martin, New York Rangers assistant general manager

Martin, who came to New York in 2021 after 16 years with the Red Wings, has put in the work. "If you looked around the league and tried to identify someone who doesn't have GM experience but could step into that role seamlessly from day one, Ryan Martin would be top of list," one respondent said. "He has experience in all assets of hockey ops." That includes working across amateur, scouting and pro staffs, overseeing AHL teams, plus managing the salary cap and contract negotiations for two of the premier organizations in the league. Martin interviewed in Anaheim, and according to sources close to that process, "he interviewed extremely well."

Here is the full article:

Who are the top candidates for NHL coach, GM jobs?

Hiring season will be upon us before you know it. Here are the people that could be line for the opportunities, including Cammi Granato, Spencer Carbery and Joel Ward.

www.espn.com

 

[bhamill]

I agree that I don't think he'll be traded but I'll disagree on trade value - he'd get a tidy sum based on pedigree and age. He wouldn't be cheap for another club to acquire.

I dont think NYR would get what THEY feel his value is is what I meant. But who knows?

 

[The New Russian Five]

Thought experiment:

Would you trade Kakko, Laf, Chytil, and our 1st round pick for the 1st overall pick in this year's draft. On first reaction I said no, but then I thought about it some more, and Bedard is legit going to be a superstar (I mean even the rangers can't f*** that up). You free up the cap space from the kids and get Bedard cost controlled for 3 years (just in time for quite a few expiring contracts). With the freed-up money you can probably re-sign Tarasenko and Kane.

Would a team with the 1st OA pick do it? It essentially gives you 4 big young pieces that would expedite a rebuild.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Thought experiment:

Would you trade Kakko, Laf, Chytil, and our 1st round pick for the 1st overall pick in this year's draft. On first reaction I said no, but then I thought about it some more, and Bedard is legit going to be a superstar (I mean even the rangers can't f*** that up). You free up the cap space from the kids and get Bedard cost controlled for 3 years (just in time for quite a few expiring contracts). With the freed-up money you can probably re-sign Tarasenko and Kane.

Would a team with the 1st OA pick do it? It essentially gives you 4 big young pieces that would expedite a rebuild.

I would. The team that has the #1 overall pick wouldn't, though.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

I believe if a G.M. on a rebuilding team has cap space, Goodrow is exactly the player that they would want to bring into their organization.
Acquiring team gets Goodrow for training camp and regular season to mentor their players up to the TDL and then flips him to a playoff team at 50% and receive a return greater than what they paid out.
Want to add I am not in favor of trading Goodrow. Just making a case for a strong return if Drury does.

 

[surlysailor]

I believe if a G.M. on a rebuilding team has cap space, Goodrow is exactly the player that they would want to bring into their organization.
Acquiring team gets Goodrow for training camp and regular season to mentor their players up to the TDL and then flips him to a playoff team at 50% and receive a return greater than what they paid out.
Want to add I am not in favor of trading Goodrow. Just making a case for a strong return if Drury does.

I don’t think drury would get any worth while for goodrow. Maybe a 6th but nyr might even need to add. Of the bottom feeding teams, they’re prob on goodrow no trade list. Maybe he’d go back to sj but even then they hold all the chips. Sure he’s a useful player, but his cap hit is to high(at least for nyr) and to long. Any team not on bg trade list, and has cap space has the advantage over drury.

 

[nsvoyageurs]

Thought experiment:

Would you trade Kakko, Laf, Chytil, and our 1st round pick for the 1st overall pick in this year's draft. On first reaction I said no, but then I thought about it some more, and Bedard is legit going to be a superstar (I mean even the rangers can't f*** that up). You free up the cap space from the kids and get Bedard cost controlled for 3 years (just in time for quite a few expiring contracts). With the freed-up money you can probably re-sign Tarasenko and Kane.

Would a team with the 1st OA pick do it? It essentially gives you 4 big young pieces that would expedite a rebuild.

I'm not doing that deal to re-sign Tarasenko and Kane; it would be beyond stupid.

No team would be dumb enough to trade a generational talent for that blah package. You don't trade Bedard for a bunch of middle 6 forwards and a late first round pick.