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Don't see how we could get to the $6 mil mark but if that's to say he'd sign for $4 mil for longer term and a protected list in his last 2 years, I'd sign that extension yesterday.
Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE
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The Crypto Guy
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Not really. They said he has had a bit of a dispositioning second half with his new team, but the whole team is having consistency issues. Also said all will be forgetting quickly if he has a good playoffs, which is right.
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Tarasenko signing here is going to cost us signing Chytil or Miller to any kind of mutually friendly deal with term instead of a bridge -AND- one of Goodrow or Lindgren being shown the door.
I don't see it happening.
Everyone has the same consensus as you do.
I don't see it happening.
Everyone has the same consensus as you do.
In the playoffs if we play a team like the canes we will see how important they could be with their ability to puck possess in o zone.
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I want more from all 3 lines.
Consistency has been an issue. Kids I can have a bit more leeway with since it's normal for younger players, the vets, not so much.
The thing is a lot of their peers are putting up 50-70 point seasons and on less talented teams, so something has to give. I see it, and they look very good, but then the next game it‘s like meh.
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Here’s the thing. Each team can only have a few 60+ point guys. That’s just the nature of how scoring works. Even if you had an all star team from top to bottom, the guys on the top line and on the PP are going to be hovering around PPG and the guys further down the lineup won’t have had enough ice time to do that.
Our current players slotted into those PPG roles are vets. A lot of our kids peers are already slotted into those roles on their teams.
It’s impossible to know what Laf and Kakko would look like today or how many points they’d be putting up had they been drafted by a bottom feeder. How they have produced here, though, makes sense given the context.
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Interesting Vally stat:
Mika is 2nd in the league in scoring when the game is tied (18G).
First? McDavid with 21.
Despite all the "names" on this team, the "Big 3" are Fox, Mika, and Shesterkin. Our fate lies with them.
Mika is 2nd in the league in scoring when the game is tied (18G).
First? McDavid with 21.
Despite all the "names" on this team, the "Big 3" are Fox, Mika, and Shesterkin. Our fate lies with them.
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Mika is the team's top forward so the reason we don't hear about him that often is because he's doing exactly what we want from him. He's not Crosby, but he's the kind of all situations 1C we were clamoring for from like 2008 to 2016.
I'm glad we re-signed him and hope he ages well. Would be nice to still have him scoring 30 goals when he's 36, 37 years old even if he's only a middle 6 guy by then.
I'm glad we re-signed him and hope he ages well. Would be nice to still have him scoring 30 goals when he's 36, 37 years old even if he's only a middle 6 guy by then.
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Mr. Gallant, tear down that line.
I have a funny meme for tomorrow’s GDT. Hope it gets some laughs lol. Nothing to do with Gallant but what we’ve kinda been saying in here . Lol
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The resounding commentary is that more consistent goal scoring would be welcomed, almost expected sooner rather than later. However, their possession abilities are very good. The unsung part of them being so good at possession, cycling, on the boards, etc. is that it limits chances against, but also spells our Dmen. We typically have our bottom pair on D or maybe Miller-Trouba out there with the kids. So it is good that they are just trying to control zone time and get a good chance where they can with occasionally finishing (they are rather streaky, especially Fil), rather than playing up and down the ice with fervor where they score more but let up more rushes and chances against where our lower pairing D could be exposed more readily.
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This team does not win a cup without Panarin
We had those 3 last playoffs... it wasn't enough.
I would give Lindgren 5x4 or 4.5 and not remotely be upset about it.
I don’t think Kakko is going to be a top six player, personally. At least not until he’s 26 or so. He simply isn’t assertive enough. Chytil is a borderline 2C for a weak team. There are teams with weak center options who would probably pay well for him, but I think we could do better with a Jenner style 3C to really hold things down and give us depth. Laf is up in the air. He shows flashes sometimes and has enough of a pest/physical presence to be a quality third liner even if he doesn’t ever break out. The kid line is a major disappointment. I would probably sacrifice any of them (considering the return, not giving them away for free) to keep Tarasenko on a 3-4 year deal. May not be an option, but it certainly crosses my mind.
Lindgren isn’t going to break the bank because he doesn’t get Norris attention and doesn’t have the production to demand a big contract. For what he provides in heart, leadership and stability on our D core, plus how much better Fox plays alongside him, he is NOT the guy you move to free cap. He won’t get a big enough raise to want to drop him. We don’t have to sign him beyond 32 years old, but I wouldn’t let Lindy go. Realistically, he should be wearing a letter over everyone else on this team.
I don’t think Kakko is going to be a top six player, personally. At least not until he’s 26 or so. He simply isn’t assertive enough. Chytil is a borderline 2C for a weak team. There are teams with weak center options who would probably pay well for him, but I think we could do better with a Jenner style 3C to really hold things down and give us depth. Laf is up in the air. He shows flashes sometimes and has enough of a pest/physical presence to be a quality third liner even if he doesn’t ever break out. The kid line is a major disappointment. I would probably sacrifice any of them (considering the return, not giving them away for free) to keep Tarasenko on a 3-4 year deal. May not be an option, but it certainly crosses my mind.
Lindgren isn’t going to break the bank because he doesn’t get Norris attention and doesn’t have the production to demand a big contract. For what he provides in heart, leadership and stability on our D core, plus how much better Fox plays alongside him, he is NOT the guy you move to free cap. He won’t get a big enough raise to want to drop him. We don’t have to sign him beyond 32 years old, but I wouldn’t let Lindy go. Realistically, he should be wearing a letter over everyone else on this team.
It doesn’t win a Cup without Panarin being the real Panarin, which is becoming increasingly rare, but we have gotten to see stretches of all year, which provides hope. Regardless, that doesn’t change the fact that those still are the big 3. I don’t think there is anyway you can argue Panarin is more valuable than Zib, nor that this team goes far without Shesterkin being , at least, on his A- game.
Panarin is an offensive superstar, but Zib is a two-way top 10C who - at least last year - seems to show up when it counts (not just offensively) and his historically always started to heat up this time of the year when the games start to mean more. Yes, we absolutely need Panarin to produce offense. We need people to *create*.
If the kid line can get going, they have the opportunity to get very favorable matchups with how deep our top six is. How many teams can match checkers against lines of Zib, Panarin, Kane, Tarasenko, Kreider, etc. Not many who will have additional stalwarts to send out against the kids. As with last year, this is a huge chance for them to shine. Whether as top producers, or as depth, you win when your ELCs produce.
On top of that we need Panarin, primarily - age, still prime, our top producer - but also Kane, and to a lesser extent, Tarasenko, Zib to create opportunities, because that is where we struggle. Kane is a playoff veteran who has always risen to the occasion, so I’m hoping he’s got something in reserve for the meaningful season after the season. Panarin acknowledged last playoffs weren’t good enough and this year has been equally the turn over machine, perimeter player from last year as he has the actual offensive force we need him to be (even if it’s not the same player from 19-20).
Panarin and Kane should be on separate lines and be counted on to create. That’s it. That’s all your expected to do. Zib and Tarasenko need to finish when the chances are there. We can’t have them converting on 20% of the grade A chances. They need to be converting on half of their top tier opportunities. Kreider and Trochek need to create by using their speed, and tenacity around the crease. Like I said, Shesty needs to be at least A-. The defense needs to hold. Really, everyone needs to be doing their part (duh).
I think Zib is still the most valuable individual piece of the team. He might actually be the most underrated player in the league. He should probably have been top 3-5 in Selke voting the last two years. Panarin (and Kane) being able to create is probably the biggest key to playoff success. I think we can count on Zib to be solid all around. If they don’t produce, they aren’t going to be doing anything at all.
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Depending on how the rest of the season goes I’d love to see Kane on the third line with easier matchups.
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I agree with nearly all but Panarin has been fine.
We’re harping on a turnover or two a game, it happens. One of the most clutch forwards of the past decade plays the same way, in Kucherov. They are very similar, in that they occasionally have brain dead turnovers. You deal with them IF they’re producing. Panarin is producing and going between the dots. He’s been way better since we landed Tank.
If this is the Panarin we get, AND Fox, Shesty and Mika show up, I like our chances.
Truthfully the entire team has to show up. Your top9, defensive core and goalie need to show up.
That’s the point. You said our fate lies with Mika, Fox and Shesty. I said we can’t win without Panarin. Our fate lies with Panarin playing to his capabilities.
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That argument has been debunked over and over.
Their peers are also getting significantly more ice time both at even strength and on the power play. Because they play on less talented teams.
They look good given their lack of ice time, the problem is their lack of ice time.
You throw laf into a top 6 role now, and give him pp1 time, and don't yank him in 5 games, suddenly he's probably a 30-50-80 guy already with room for more.
Kakko is probably closer to 25-40-65 with very strong posession and defensive metrics under those same conditions.
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If we lose any of Fox, Zibanejad, or Shesterkin to injury we’re done. I don’t think that’s the case with Panarin.
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