LaffyTaffyNYR
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Yeah but Marner and Matthews have a combined 18 goals in 32 playoff games and Matthews had 9 of those 3-4 years ago. They can’t win with that production from them.
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Yeah but Marner and Matthews have a combined 18 goals in 32 playoff games and Matthews had 9 of those 3-4 years ago. They can’t win with that production from them.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
Don't wanna be Toronto because for whatever reason they haven't been able to win an elimination game for the past 3 playoffs.
Ok, do you want to be Boston, who's been past the 2nd round 1 time since 2014?
Colorado who hasn't made it past the 2nd round the last 3 years?
Washington who have been total disappointments outside of 1 playoff run in 17-18?
Pittsburgh? Well when they won back to back cups, their top 4 players were about 45% of the cap, so apparently that can work.
Toronto has been one of the best teams in the league, and eventually they will break through. If you told me the Rangers would become Toronto esque I'll bet on them having more success in the playoffs than Toronto has.
Ok, do you want to be Boston, who's been past the 2nd round 1 time since 2014?
Colorado who hasn't made it past the 2nd round the last 3 years?
Washington who have been total disappointments outside of 1 playoff run in 17-18?
Pittsburgh? Well when they won back to back cups, their top 4 players were about 45% of the cap, so apparently that can work.
Toronto has been one of the best teams in the league, and eventually they will break through. If you told me the Rangers would become Toronto esque I'll bet on them having more success in the playoffs than Toronto has.
UAGoalieGuy
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My ideal world:
Panarin - Lindholm - Kravstov
Kreider - Kadri - Chytil
Nosek - Barron/Goodrow - Goodrow/Barron
Blackwell/Gauthier
Miller - Trouba
Lindgren - Fox
Giordano - Smith/Schneider
Edit: Left off Chytil!
- Rangers decide on Zib and extend him before thr draft 5 years $8.5MM.
- Strome dealt for Kadri
- Buch, Lundkvist and #1 for Lindholm and Giordano.
- Sign Nosek and Goodrow
- Resign Smith for 1 year
- Howden dealt for a mid round pick
- Rooney picked in the expansion draft
Panarin - Lindholm - Kravstov
Kreider - Kadri - Chytil
Nosek - Barron/Goodrow - Goodrow/Barron
Blackwell/Gauthier
Miller - Trouba
Lindgren - Fox
Giordano - Smith/Schneider
Edit: Left off Chytil!
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Raspewtin
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UAGoalieGuy
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I'd have to disagree on both accounts there. Buch might become as good as Lindholm in the future but he isn't better at this point. Also Lindholms contract is much better than what Buch will get.
Also Gio older, yes but his production was solid this season.
Kadri is the type of C I think they seek minus dummy suspensions
I’d go Chytil w Panarin
Kreider , Kadri , Kakko
TheBloodyNine
Pure Bred Soviet Savage
Absolutely not excusing their lack of production but still the Leafs do have major depth issues on F and D and I think that's at least part of it.
I think Cirelli is the target. Young, playoff proven, signed for the same money we have to give to Buch, and would look excellent centering panarin and kakko.
Problem- it would def cost Chytil plus to get him.
On the realistic side, unlike lindholm, Tampa has to trade Cirelli. Their cap games are over. They need to sign Point, Sergachev, and Cernak. So it’s either move Cirelli which is easiest or trade all of Palat, Killorn, and Tyler Johnson or Yanni Gourde. The NTC\NMC the 3-4 other guys have makes it very hard for them. Plus they don’t want to lose all that depth plus Coleman and goodrow.
it looks like their only logical course of action is to trade Cirelli and try to resign Goodrow. Tampa isn’t paying Coleman 4x4 at least. Mark my words Cirelli s days are numbered
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TheBloodyNine
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I too would really like to see Chytil get an extended look with panarin for like a 25 game stretch or so.
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Chytil needs a new contract, so he doesn't save Tampa that much on Cirelli. I imagine they'll try really hard to move Johnson, or possibly Gourde or Killorn, before they consider moving Cirelli. They'll probably end up making a deal with Seattle to take cap.
they might be able to get Seattle to bite on Johnson if the attach a 1st. Killorn has NTC highly limited. Plus he’s a playoff beast for them. Same with Gourde. Their depth is definitely taking a hit this year. All the Bolt fans I’ve spoken with think Cirelli is the marked man. Not because they don’t love him, but because he’s the easiest to move to get cap relief and good assets back. Similar to our Buch situation. They could try to move McDonagh to but he also has limited NTC.
All their fans agree that the priority is point Cernak and Sergachev. They can’t afford to lose any of them. They all love Goodrow and say that they will do everything to resign him. Coleman they know is good as gone
RickChartraw
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The KKK line, that's not gonna fly.
Synergy27
F-A-C-G-C-E
Blackwell isn’t a lunch pail player. He’s a not quite good enough to be a regular top 6 player.
Fast is a lunch pail player.
leetch99
Leetch66 Joined 2007
Add him as a Pen Pal....LOL....waste money on a Corey Perry if needed....not BB .I miss Brian Boyle
BobMarleyNYR
Rangers future on D
Zibanejad and Strome are mutually exclusive, as we all agree on… It’s redundancy you can’t afford at center. Though it was never quite so pronounced in Mika as when he had COVID.
Zibanejad, x-Strome necessitates a guy like Danault… That keeps Buchnevich a possibility albeit for one year only…
Keeping Buchnevich (we’re talking about one year here, I don’t understand why no one thinks this is a possibility) necessitates that you absolutely have to find a top-9 F who is difficult to play against. One injury to that top-9 F means Kravtsov is a top-6 W… For now at least, yes, that is true…
Chytil is alsoa bit redundant… But his progress + RFA status need to be closely considered… I really think it is time to just give up on the whole C experiment. That’s not him. Plus, then there is a guy you can switch to both positions and also keep Kravtsov “sheltered (I hate that term).” That would also mean that if Buchnevich is traded, his top-9 F replacement would be best another C/RW. I don’t think any action is imminent regarding Chytil, from all we know, and probably should not be, just yet. A lot of people he centered last year really turned it up a notch… So maybe he will stay in the middle, who know?
So much of it really depends on that center ice position. Martinez @ 5 or Oleksiak @ 3… There’s really no way to conceptualize in some Venn diagram, which is what we’d all like to do.
Any trade for a 1C will almost certainly require Zibanejad and the buyer never wins trades the same position-- the seller can just tell you to suck it… So I really think he will be signed by offseason’s end. He’s not, all-in-one star that comes around every 10 years but we know what he can do, and that he can fall off the horse and get back on it. He’s a 1C. The debate was there to be had over year ago but now it’s not.
I really think they should keep him, if there is a way to keep him under 7M and if not, Monahan, Lindholm or Hertl. There is pressure on every GM from day one, Drury included, especially now with a coaching change. So I don’t think they will want to downgrade there, unless he starts going into the high 8’s
…
I think they will keep Buchnevich for one year. Have you guys forgotten Hayes? I mean, even Lundqvist did it, and it really makes the most sense. There really shouldn’t be so much talk about long-term.
But if you keep those two, you have to trade Strome, strictly from a hockey perspective. I think they will try their hardest to get Danault under 6 for 5. Either that, or get creative…
Keep Chytil 3C but be ready to switch to W.
Get a good 4C with versatility/faceoff ability, a tough right wing who can actually play the game and Rooney (who is actually not expansion
eligible, though everyone seems to think he is).
Obviously, you do have to be looking in the cheaper range for that third defenseman. Which is probably a good thing, because if we traded say Buchnevich and went balls-deep on a guy like Martinez, that could be an issue.
As much as we like this stuff, and Drury is under the microscope, no one is going to create more work for themselves, especially when there is no certainty it'll pay off... As much as I like Bern's idea of having Jones play wing.
Zibanejad, x-Strome necessitates a guy like Danault… That keeps Buchnevich a possibility albeit for one year only…
Keeping Buchnevich (we’re talking about one year here, I don’t understand why no one thinks this is a possibility) necessitates that you absolutely have to find a top-9 F who is difficult to play against. One injury to that top-9 F means Kravtsov is a top-6 W… For now at least, yes, that is true…
Chytil is alsoa bit redundant… But his progress + RFA status need to be closely considered… I really think it is time to just give up on the whole C experiment. That’s not him. Plus, then there is a guy you can switch to both positions and also keep Kravtsov “sheltered (I hate that term).” That would also mean that if Buchnevich is traded, his top-9 F replacement would be best another C/RW. I don’t think any action is imminent regarding Chytil, from all we know, and probably should not be, just yet. A lot of people he centered last year really turned it up a notch… So maybe he will stay in the middle, who know?
So much of it really depends on that center ice position. Martinez @ 5 or Oleksiak @ 3… There’s really no way to conceptualize in some Venn diagram, which is what we’d all like to do.
Any trade for a 1C will almost certainly require Zibanejad and the buyer never wins trades the same position-- the seller can just tell you to suck it… So I really think he will be signed by offseason’s end. He’s not, all-in-one star that comes around every 10 years but we know what he can do, and that he can fall off the horse and get back on it. He’s a 1C. The debate was there to be had over year ago but now it’s not.
I really think they should keep him, if there is a way to keep him under 7M and if not, Monahan, Lindholm or Hertl. There is pressure on every GM from day one, Drury included, especially now with a coaching change. So I don’t think they will want to downgrade there, unless he starts going into the high 8’s
…
I think they will keep Buchnevich for one year. Have you guys forgotten Hayes? I mean, even Lundqvist did it, and it really makes the most sense. There really shouldn’t be so much talk about long-term.
But if you keep those two, you have to trade Strome, strictly from a hockey perspective. I think they will try their hardest to get Danault under 6 for 5. Either that, or get creative…
Keep Chytil 3C but be ready to switch to W.
Get a good 4C with versatility/faceoff ability, a tough right wing who can actually play the game and Rooney (who is actually not expansion
eligible, though everyone seems to think he is).
Obviously, you do have to be looking in the cheaper range for that third defenseman. Which is probably a good thing, because if we traded say Buchnevich and went balls-deep on a guy like Martinez, that could be an issue.
As much as we like this stuff, and Drury is under the microscope, no one is going to create more work for themselves, especially when there is no certainty it'll pay off... As much as I like Bern's idea of having Jones play wing.
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LaffyTaffyNYR
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I'm guessing people are under the assumption that Zibanejad is going to ask for 7-8 years or something? I mean sometimes I dont get this board with some people. He will turn 29 next year so a new deal of say 5-6 years takes him to 35. Since coming to the Rangers here is what he has done.. .66 PPG twice, then he jumped to .90 then 1.31, and a .89 this year despite having covid complications and early on missing wide open nets/scoring chances that he would usually convert on. Those are 1C numbers.
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Great point, that is the perfect fit for Eichel. A strong team without a goto player offensively. Eichel is very good on the PP. He can be so hard to contain 1 on 1.
DutchShamrock
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My takeaway from the playoffs is that leadership is the biggest void.
The Rangers always have good guys and role models, Kreider and Zibanejad for example. They don't have a tone setter, a leader, someone to demand accountability and buy in. It's just lacking. Trouba is closest thing to that but we need more people to tip the scales.
You can get skill players to play hard, it's very difficult to get hard players to play skilled. I want the intangibles addressed before I take a scalpel to the team. Its stupid to jettison people like Lundkvist, Kravtsov, Kakko, and Lafreniere to fix an issue because of a perceived lack of size or propensity for skilled play.
That being said some moves are unavoidable. Buchnevich. The centers... Zibanejad requires some answer. You can't come back with the same centers. Open spot on left D. Add leadership and bite with the necessary moves. See how the chemistry changes and adjust from there.
Don't set artificial timelines. We don't have to reach a goal next season or the following. Follow your plan. That's the difference between winning organizations and the flyers. But bring in people that can change the culture. Grit and edge is the product of a team atmosphere, a cohesive unit. Not a group of MSG employees brought in to be tough.
The Rangers always have good guys and role models, Kreider and Zibanejad for example. They don't have a tone setter, a leader, someone to demand accountability and buy in. It's just lacking. Trouba is closest thing to that but we need more people to tip the scales.
You can get skill players to play hard, it's very difficult to get hard players to play skilled. I want the intangibles addressed before I take a scalpel to the team. Its stupid to jettison people like Lundkvist, Kravtsov, Kakko, and Lafreniere to fix an issue because of a perceived lack of size or propensity for skilled play.
That being said some moves are unavoidable. Buchnevich. The centers... Zibanejad requires some answer. You can't come back with the same centers. Open spot on left D. Add leadership and bite with the necessary moves. See how the chemistry changes and adjust from there.
Don't set artificial timelines. We don't have to reach a goal next season or the following. Follow your plan. That's the difference between winning organizations and the flyers. But bring in people that can change the culture. Grit and edge is the product of a team atmosphere, a cohesive unit. Not a group of MSG employees brought in to be tough.
LiveLongandProspal
NY Rangers = America's Team
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I'm moving on the bigger and better things... Point is coming into the crosshairs.
I can see them exposing MacT to Seattle.
Paying/praying someone takes Tyler Johnson.
Stamkos 'freak' injury that keeps him on LTIR all season.
Trade Palat
Hopefully the league institues something to prohibit this from happening again....
Competing against a team that has $100M worth of roster players, not even mentioning the tax benefits, when you're stuck at a measely $81.5M is absolutely embarrassing. HOW IS THAT OVERLOOKED/ALLOWED? I'm dumbfounded other teams haven't made this a huge issue.
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Oh man that hurts! That could be short term gain for long term pain. I still think we can find a decent center at #15 this draft and basically giving up Lundkvist for Giordano can really backfire!
Fitzy
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I wouldn’t characterize Chytil as redundant at all.
He has a chance to be a puck lugging transition center, of which we have zero.
I agree that Strome and Zibanejad check the same boxes at even strength. It’s one of the reasons I think Strome is gone and on the odd chance that he isn’t gone, his future is at wing.
Id put it at eighty percent that Strome is gone this offseason, fifty fifty for Buchnevich.
Both if the Rangers trade for Eichel which I think would be a misstep
He has a chance to be a puck lugging transition center, of which we have zero.
I agree that Strome and Zibanejad check the same boxes at even strength. It’s one of the reasons I think Strome is gone and on the odd chance that he isn’t gone, his future is at wing.
Id put it at eighty percent that Strome is gone this offseason, fifty fifty for Buchnevich.
Both if the Rangers trade for Eichel which I think would be a misstep
I know people over-value prospects on here, but Lundkvist has been one of our most anticipated prospects for years now, and we're using him as a throw in for a 37 year old who very likely might not out-produce a rookie Lundkvist?
Is the difference between Buchnevich and Lindholm really a first rounder AND one of the better players outside the NHL and a borderline cap dump?
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