Speculation: Roster Building Thread V (2021 Offseason) - Hold them horses, only 45 days left until the draft!

[RGY]

I don’t see us being able to keep Chytil if we want Eichel, especially if we want them to retain money which I would be pushing for at least $2 million per year retained.

With all the concerns around Eichel, Lundkvist is off the table for me. It sounds like LAK is out on him. That would have been the prospect pool that could outbid us if we have Kakko/Lafreniere off the table, which we should.

I don’t know what a deal looks like at this point.

 

[GAGLine]

Who cares? Why would you want one Mika when you could have...two Mikas?

People, yet again, have this insane thing about redundancy as if it's a bad thing to have multiple good players. Wouldn't ever want two 1C quality players on this tea.

There is zero difference in adding X WAR via offense or X WAR via defense or X WAR via a gritty player. It all nets out the same.

There's a finite amount of cap space. Adding Eichel means losing other players, one of which would likely be Mika.

 

[Vitto79]

I don’t see us being able to keep Chytil if we want Eichel, especially if we want them to retain money which I would be pushing for at least $2 million per year retained.

With all the concerns around Eichel, Lundkvist is off the table for me. It sounds like LAK is out on him. That would have been the prospect pool that could outbid us if we have Kakko/Lafreniere off the table, which we should.

I don’t know what a deal looks like at this point.

likely Chytil , Strome, Jones , 1st ?
throw in some Howden and Hajek lol

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Nils and Jones are both trade bait IMO.

Toss them into the group with Strome/Buch.

 

[molotce]

Nils and Jones are both trade bait IMO.

Toss them into the group with Strome/Buch.

Personally i'm with those saying lunkvist is not a trade bait. I dont even consider him in the same tier as zac jones, as he's better defensively and offense is similar (less dynamic playmaker but betterscorer)
To me, for the NYR, jones is very much trade bait. the rest of the young D not as much.

 

[smoneil]

Who cares? Why would you want one Mika when you could have...two Mikas?

People, yet again, have this insane thing about redundancy as if it's a bad thing to have multiple good players. Wouldn't ever want two 1C quality players on this tea.

There is zero difference in adding X WAR via offense or X WAR via defense or X WAR via a gritty player. It all nets out the same.

Because we can't have 2 1C players. It doesn't work with the cap. Seriously--do the math. Take the cap and then start subtracting the cap hits for Bread, Kreider, Eichel, and Trouba, and then start subtracting the expected cap hits for Zib, Fox, Laf, etc etc etc. Now start subtracting the cap hits for all the new shopping everyone wants to do to bring in some more physical players. You're going to run out of cap space LONG before you run out of players that we all want to keep, and that's assuming that Strome and possibly Buch are already cap casualties before bringing in Eichel. We aren't Tampa Bay. If we f*** ourselves with the cap, the league isn't going to look the other way.

 

[RGY]

Nils and Jones are both trade bait IMO.

Toss them into the group with Strome/Buch.

I can live with trading Lundkvist. I just don’t know if I use him in a trade for Eichel at this point. I would be offering less.

 

[Rongomania]

Nils and Jones are both trade bait IMO.

Toss them into the group with Strome/Buch.

+ our first and we have to be able to grab something decent.

 

[Flan the incredible]

I always find it amusing when people want no part of elite players because of...reasons.

He's too expensive...well no shit..he's elite.
He's got an injury concern. Well yeah..that's why he's cheap right now.

He's a 24year old franchise center signed for 5 years at a known number that can be had for pennies on the dollar. He's right handed which makes him an ideal for for a right handed left winger named panarin. He can pass or shoot and dominates possession.

Go. Get. Me. EICHEL

Man you would of loved the Ranger teams in the late 90s early 2000s. We got big names every year. It seemed every big name available we would go out and get. It was so crazy. As you can also see from all the cups and banners we got during those times there is a lesson to be learned.....

 

[IDvsEGO]

Personally i'm with those saying lunkvist is not a trade bait. I dont even consider him in the same tier as zac jones, as he's better defensively and offense is similar (less dynamic playmaker but betterscorer)
To me, for the NYR, jones is very much trade bait. the rest of the young D not as much.

I 100% understand and agree that nils will be the better player over schneider. But I’m of the opinion that we trade nils before schneider.

 

[QJL]

Will be interesting to see the moves the Avs make this offseason after another relatively early playoff exit. Landeskog and Saad are UFA. Have to decide between Graves and Toews on who to protect (or trade one before the draft).

Toews as an argument to be a top 15 D in the NHL. Graves is a bottom pairing guy. Pretty easy to call that one.

 

[RiffyNYR61]

Peyton Manning was also a quarterback and not a hockey player. I'm sure a hockey player undergoes a lot more physical challenges during games.

I respectfully disagree. I think it’s probably very, very close. A QB can take more of a “beating”. Hard to compare across sports like that.

 

[Flan the incredible]

Am I the only one that wants to see Eichel traded somewhere else so people can stop trying to give away way more then a guy making 10 mill with serious health issues is worth?

Buffalo has painted themselves into a corner as he obviously doesn't want to play there anymore and yet him recovering (if he recovers) from the injury and playing and putting up good numbers is the best way to maximize his value.

Drury should be and will be fired if he gives up good assets for a broken player whose cap could destroy everything this team has done in the last few years.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I 100% understand and agree that nils will be the better player over schneider. But I’m of the opinion that we trade nils before schneider.

Yeah this is fair.

Look at the defenses of the teams that remain. You don't win in the playoffs with a D filled with tiny puck movers.

You can win with 1, especially if it's a Fox/Makar level player. You'd be hard pressed to win with 2.

 

[jay from jersey]

Personally i'm with those saying lunkvist is not a trade bait. I dont even consider him in the same tier as zac jones, as he's better defensively and offense is similar (less dynamic playmaker but betterscorer)
To me, for the NYR, jones is very much trade bait. the rest of the young D not as much.

to me, lundkvist is without a doubt trade bait. Maybe not this year. But he’s the guy teams would want to give value for, and he likely won’t be playing top 4 mins here or 1 PP so his skillset is kind of a waste in that regard.
He’s blocked by Fox and a trouba on the Right for at least 3 years. And there’s a bigger meaner player nipping at his heals. Even though Schneider isn’t as offensive a weapon as nils, he fills the need more of a 3rd pair RD with regard of style of play and the type of minutes he’ll receive until the rangers can eventually move trouba. Then Schneider slides to 2nd pair and a guy like skinner takes on a 3rd pairing role because he’s cheap and again likely to not play a lot of minutes. But that’s far far down the road still
From the looks of it to me, it’s not if but when the. Deal Lundkvist. Maybe he plays great on 3rd pair this year and his value goes up even more. But long term with Fox trouba and Schneider in the fold, barring a major injury somewhere, I think he’s moved. Just one mans opinion.

 

[duhmetreE]

IMO Trading for Eichel steers us to becoming Toronto 2.0. Please no.

We have no clue about Eichel's health or how he'd perform in the playoffs. Offensive firepower is the least of this teams problems. I can't wrap my head around commiting a lot of cap and assets to further improve it.

 

[jay from jersey]

I think ppl are gonna be shocked at what eichel goes for. It's not going to be this insane package that everyone thinks it will.

All the negatives you guys are listing..are exactly why eichel will not cost as much as ppl think.

All the pros you guys list for a guy like lindholm... Are exactly why he would cost an arm and a leg

I think LaF on Eichel’s left side for the next 5 years would be a nightmare for teams to game plan against. That’s one of my biggest motivations for wanting him. I think it would be far more dangerous then LaF and Zibby and it would force LaF to use his incredible shot more. Eichel is an excellent swing man.
On top of that. You can throw a line out that features Panarin on it right after those 2. That’s a shit ton of firepower. 2 elite line drivers.
The problem is the gamble. If he’s 100% healthy sure. Now I’m not so sure

 

[Vitto79]

I can live with trading Lundkvist. I just don’t know if I use him in a trade for Eichel at this point. I would be offering less.

i saw her rangers posted an image of Fox , Lundkvist, Schneider. Keep them !

Gotta make smart ufa signings and sneaky deals

 

[Inferno]

Next season Tampa bay has 9 players making over 5mil

They have 6 making over 6.5

We have 4 and 3 respectively.

People whine and cry about the salary cap all the time..flat cap this, flat cap that.

All it takes is buy in from your top guys taking less than market value and you can make it work.

Subtract buch strome and possibly one of kreider or trouba and you've cleared up like 15 mil on space.

For assets it takes to get eichel assets can be redeemed by trading away other players.


The rangers had more than 1 eichels worth of players sitting in buyouts last year.

The salary cap issues while not a total afterthought, are always workable

Look at all the ppl commenting when Tampa signed this guy and that and never traded anyone away. How will they make it work? They're screwing themselves...

And yet here we are. 1 cup won and in the final 4 again with a pretty easy path to a championship, especially if Vegas is knocked out.

I mean hell...Brendan smith, georgiev, and the ghost of deangelo made more than eichel.

You're telling me that having eichel reuananen and kinkaid wouldn't be a better option salary wise?

You know what's also funny...lots of ppl say what does eichel bring that we don't already have..

How many people are asking themselves is it better to do that or is it better to bring in more guys who play the way the rest of your roster is constructed to play.

Lou lams brought in zajac and palmieri not because they did stuff different than what the rest of the team does...they brought em in because they do stuff similar to the rest of their team...to fit their team identity.

If we want to be a fast transition offensive team, then eichel fits that better than most players. If we want to be a bit physical checking team we're gonna need to strip down a ton of players because most of the roster doesn't fit that mould.

There's more than 1 way to build a roster. To me, eichel fits way better than most

How would I do this in my own ideal scenario?

Trade strome for prospects
Trade buch those prospects and our first for eichel
Trade kreider for futures..like think krebs or lundell (yes he had a nmc..it's difficult but we've seen repeatedly not impossible)

Next season

Lafreniere Mika kakko
Panarin eichel kravtsov
Chytil Krebs Gauthier
? Rooney Blackwell
(Howden claimed by the kraken)

Lindgren fox
Miller trouba
Martinez (ufa signing) and lundkvist

Igor
Georgiev/literally any halfway decent goalie

Trading kreider can also wait a year or 2 fwiw so if we're a little too top heavy you can easily have him on your 3rd line instead of who we get for him..

So kreider chytil gauthier for example.

 

[Inferno]

Man you would of loved the Ranger teams in the late 90s early 2000s. We got big names every year. It seemed every big name available we would go out and get. It was so crazy. As you can also see from all the cups and banners we got during those times there is a lesson to be learned.....

Man you woulda hated being a red wings fan in the late 90s and early 2000s. Got big name players and.

Wait a second.

 

[Inferno]

IMO Trading for Eichel steers us to becoming Toronto 2.0. Please no.

We have no clue about Eichel's health or how he'd perform in the playoffs. Offensive firepower is the least of this teams problems. I can't wrap my head around commiting a lot of cap and assets to further improve it.

Toronto doesn't have issues because of the big 4. They have issues because outside their big 4 they have nothing. That's not the rangers issue whatsoever. We're loaded up and down everywhere except for center.

 

[duhmetreE]

Next season Tampa bay has 9 players making over 5mil

They have 6 making over 6.5

We have 4 and 3 respectively.

People whine and cry about the salary cap all the time..flat cap this, flat cap that.

All it takes is buy in from your top guys taking less than market value and you can make it work.

Subtract buch strome and possibly one of kreider or trouba and you've cleared up like 15 mil on space.

For assets it takes to get eichel assets can be redeemed by trading away other players.


The rangers had more than 1 eichels worth of players sitting in buyouts last year.

The salary cap issues while not a total afterthought, are always workable

Look at all the ppl commenting when Tampa signed this guy and that and never traded anyone away. How will they make it work? They're screwing themselves...

And yet here we are. 1 cup won and in the final 4 again with a pretty easy path to a championship, especially if Vegas is knocked out.

I mean hell...Brendan smith, georgiev, and the ghost of deangelo made more than eichel.

You're telling me that having eichel reuananen and kinkaid wouldn't be a better option salary wise?

You know what's also funny...lots of ppl say what does eichel bring that we don't already have..

How many people are asking themselves is it better to do that or is it better to bring in more guys who play the way the rest of your roster is constructed to play.

Lou lams brought in zajac and palmieri not because they did stuff different than what the rest of the team does...they brought em in because they do stuff similar to the rest of their team...to fit their team identity.

If we want to be a fast transition offensive team, then eichel fits that better than most players. If we want to be a bit physical checking team we're gonna need to strip down a ton of players because most of the roster doesn't fit that mould.

There's more than 1 way to build a roster. To me, eichel fits way better than most

How would I do this in my own ideal scenario?

Trade strome for prospects
Trade buch those prospects and our first for eichel
Trade kreider for futures..like think krebs or lundell (yes he had a nmc..it's difficult but we've seen repeatedly not impossible)

Next season

Lafreniere Mika kakko
Panarin eichel kravtsov
Chytil Krebs Gauthier
? Rooney Blackwell
(Howden claimed by the kraken)

Lindgren fox
Miller trouba
Martinez (ufa signing) and lundkvist

Igor
Georgiev/literally any halfway decent goalie

Trading kreider can also wait a year or 2 fwiw so if we're a little too top heavy you can easily have him on your 3rd line instead of who we get for him..

So kreider chytil gauthier for example.

Using Tampa, who has cheated the system and has a $100M roster in the playoffs, as your basis of team building.... is flawed.

Maybe we get Eichel for cheap, leave him on LTIR all season and just add him for the playoffs?

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Yeah this is fair.

Look at the defenses of the teams that remain. You don't win in the playoffs with a D filled with tiny puck movers.

You can win with 1, especially if it's a Fox/Makar level player. You'd be hard pressed to win with 2.

Hate to cherry pick, but look at Girard on the 5-3 backbreaker last night. A mistake like that really gets magnified.

Let me be clear - not a comment on Girard's ability...he is awesome and I believe you can win a Cup with him. But the way the game is played in the playoffs right now, a mistake like that just looms so large.

 

[duhmetreE]

Toronto doesn't have issues because of the big 4. They have issues because outside their big 4 they have nothing. That's not the rangers issue whatsoever. We're loaded up and down everywhere except for center.

You're not seeing the issue?

They have so much tied up in the big4, there's nothing left to go around. Good-solid players cost 6-9% cap. They cannot afford to do that because those big 4 take up nearly 50%. They are handicapped

 

[Deleted member 23124]

Am I the only one that wants to see Eichel traded somewhere else so people can stop trying to give away way more then a guy making 10 mill with serious health issues is worth?

Buffalo has painted themselves into a corner as he obviously doesn't want to play there anymore and yet him recovering (if he recovers) from the injury and playing and putting up good numbers is the best way to maximize his value.

Drury should be and will be fired if he gives up good assets for a broken player whose cap could destroy everything this team has done in the last few years.

Nope, you're not.