Speculation: Roster Building Thread V (2021 Offseason) - Hold them horses, only 45 days left until the draft!

[bleedblue94]

I mean if you can get him without Laf, Kakko, Nils... you would have to consider that a win as long as he is healthy obviously.

i consider it a win even if he isnt healthy bc if hes hurt he is going to ltir until he is healthy and we can finacially manage that...

 

[DanielBrassard]

That's probably as good as the Sabres could hope to get at this point. 3 potential building blocks and a mid-first this year. That being said, I think if the Rangers give that up then they'd want some sort of role player or change of scenery prospect back as well. I could see Thompson being a fit there but that's a hell of a lot of money coming our way in one trade without much going back out.

Plus, the amount of follow up moves that deal would trigger are kind of hard to wrap my brain around. It'd sure be a lot of excitement but if it goes sideways it could be a train wreck.

Yeah it would make things a bit more complicated. In theory the Rangers could keep Strome Zibanejad, Buch, and load up for next season. Doubt that happens so there would have to be follow up moves. If you get to keep Laf, Kakko, Miller, and let's say Nils, Fox, and acquire Eichel it would be tough to turn that down regardless.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

i consider it a win even if he isnt healthy bc if hes hurt he is going to ltir until he is healthy and we can finacially manage that...

I mean healthy at some point lol..

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Eichel/Thompson (3rd liner, size), for Chytil, Jones, 15 and Strome (cap purposes)? something like that maybe? just spitbatlling, obviously it depends on the other offers. Could also include Georgiev since apparently they need Gs at every level.

If Rangers can move Strome and Georgiev (same trade) or separate trade, I mean Eichel technically costs them 3M the first season.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Going to be an eventful off season around the NHL

 

[Trxjw]

That is one scenario that just makes sense for all parties honestly.

Minny has the clear need, the incentive, and the assets to make it happen. I think you could say the same about a team like Calgary if they're willing to part with Tkachuk. Not sure you can say definitively that all 3 apply to us.

 

[NYR Viper]

Minny has the clear need, the incentive, and the assets to make it happen. I think you could say the same about a team like Calgary if they're willing to part with Tkachuk. Not sure you can say definitively that all 3 apply to us.

I will say that I'm not in love with trading for Eichel, signing Zibanejad long term, or signing Strome long term. None of those look appealing to me.

 

[Trxjw]

Yeah it would make things a bit more complicated. In theory the Rangers could keep Strome Zibanejad, Buch, and load up for next season. Doubt that happens so there would have to be follow up moves. If you get to keep Laf, Kakko, Miller, and let's say Nils, Fox, and acquire Eichel it would be tough to turn that down regardless.

Yeah it's a pretty stellar group of talent. All either young or just starting their prime years. I just can't get over the injury thing with Eichel but on the same token I'm far from a doctor.

 

[Trxjw]

I will say that I'm not in love with trading for Eichel, signing Zibanejad long term, or signing Strome long term. None of those look appealing to me.

I'm with you. I feel like none of them are the perfect move for this team. I guess the question is whether or not that perfect move exists now and if it doesn't, how long can they afford to wait for it to materialize?

 

[cheech70]

Eichel/Thompson (3rd liner, size), for Chytil, Jones, 15 and Strome (cap purposes)? something like that maybe? just spitbatlling, obviously it depends on the other offers. Could also include Georgiev since apparently they need Gs at every level.

If Rangers can move Strome and Georgiev (same trade) or separate trade, I mean Eichel technically costs them 3M the first season.

If this works by all means

 

[NYSPORTS]

I will say that I'm not in love with trading for Eichel, signing Zibanejad long term, or signing Strome long term. None of those look appealing to me.

none of that will matter unless the team builds a 3rd and 4th checking line. Skating a Brett Howden out there with the back two lines unable to finish checks won’t beat any playoff team. They need about 4 more players plus Schneider and Barron to be good.

 

[NYR Viper]

none of that will matter unless the team builds a 3rd and 4th checking line. Skating a Brett Howden out there with the back two lines unable to finish checks won’t beat any playoff team. They need about 4 more players plus Schneider and Barron to be good.

I'm less concerned about the lower lines. Add a player or two and those fall in line pretty quickly. Specifically when you add them to the likes of guys like Barron and Rooney. I also think Gauthier could fill that role as a 3rd line RW with a more North/South center. Also I think Kreider slides down to the 3rd line with Laf and Panarin getting more 5v5 time. So that leaves:

Kreider-______-Gauthier
Rooney-Barron-______

Maybe a Goodrow on that 4th line and wouldn't Danault look fantastic on that Kreider/Gauthier line?

 

[Reway10]

Re: Danault, if he signs for 4.5 - 5M per, by all means, but we all know that's not happening.

 

[NYR Viper]

Continuing my thought, normally I would edit but in case someone is responding:

If Gorton trades Strome for prospects/picks and Buch for prospects/picks, replaces him with Chytil and signs Danault.

Panarin-Chytil-Kravtsov
Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kaako
Kreider-Danault-Gauthier
Barron-Rooney-Goodrow

Sign Oleksiak @ $3m per for 3 years, no NTC

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Oleksiak-Lundqvist
Bitetto

 

[NYSPORTS]

I'm less concerned about the lower lines. Add a player or two and those fall in line pretty quickly. Specifically when you add them to the likes of guys like Barron and Rooney. I also think Gauthier could fill that role as a 3rd line RW with a more North/South center. Also I think Kreider slides down to the 3rd line with Laf and Panarin getting more 5v5 time. So that leaves:

Kreider-______-Gauthier
Rooney-Barron-______

Maybe a Goodrow on that 4th line and wouldn't Danault look fantastic on that Kreider/Gauthier line?

would be nice if Gauthier added something physical. I see Barron as the 3rd line center so Gauthier has to be physical which he hasn’t demonstrated yet. Line 4 needs a lot more.

you practically proposing the same team taking the ice

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I'm less concerned about the lower lines. Add a player or two and those fall in line pretty quickly. Specifically when you add them to the likes of guys like Barron and Rooney. I also think Gauthier could fill that role as a 3rd line RW with a more North/South center. Also I think Kreider slides down to the 3rd line with Laf and Panarin getting more 5v5 time. So that leaves:

Kreider-______-Gauthier
Rooney-Barron-______

Maybe a Goodrow on that 4th line and wouldn't Danault look fantastic on that Kreider/Gauthier line?

Yeah not sure how you can bring in 4 different players, adding a top 6 guy or promoting Laf/Kakko/Kravtsov (whoever) pushes someone down to the bottom six (Kreider).. They might have 3 scoring lines an a checking line as the 4th line but thats ok

 

[NYR Viper]

would be nice if Gauthier added something physical. I see Barron as the 3rd line center so Gauthier has to be physical which he hasn’t demonstrated yet. Line 4 needs a lot more.

Gauthier was actually physical last year. On the boards he was routinely winning board battles. He's never going to be laying guys out but on a shift-by-shift basis he is a load to handle and he consistently wins battles. That's EXACTLY what you want from a bottom-6 player.

Would it be great if he was more physical on top of that? Sure. But we tried that with Lemieux. Gauthier has legitimate 20g potential at the NHL level.

 

[East Coast Bias]

I see it's "I only want guys who sign for well below their market value" season.

 

[haohmaru]

Continuing my thought, normally I would edit but in case someone is responding:

If Gorton trades Strome for prospects/picks and Buch for prospects/picks, replaces him with Chytil and signs Danault.

Panarin-Chytil-Kravtsov
Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kaako
Kreider-Danault-Gauthier
Barron-Rooney-Goodrow

Sign Oleksiak @ $3m per for 3 years, no NTC

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Oleksiak-Lundqvist
Bitetto

I would think Buch and Strome, if on the move, wouldn't be for prospects or picks it would be for hockey trade(s) that would immediately benefit the team. If you were Drury and the owner basically said that the playoffs were a mandate would you be trading top 6 NHL'ers for picks? I don't think so. Maybe for vet LD, 3rd line center strong on draws, top end 4th liners, etc...

 

[NYSPORTS]

Gauthier was actually physical last year. On the boards he was routinely winning board battles. He's never going to be laying guys out but on a shift-by-shift basis he is a load to handle and he consistently wins battles. That's EXACTLY what you want from a bottom-6 player.

Would it be great if he was more physical on top of that? Sure. But we tried that with Lemieux. Gauthier has legitimate 20g potential at the NHL level.

Panarin-Chytil-Kravtsov (nothing physical)
Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kaako (nothing physical)
Kreider-Danault-Gauthier (maybe Gauthier yet nothing proven physical)
Barron-Rooney-Goodrow (who is the heavy weight?)

Sign Oleksiak @ $3m per for 3 years, no NTC

Lindgren-Fox (Lindgren is physical yet still a smaller defenseman)
Miller-Trouba (Trouba is at times while Miller, idk what he is)
Oleksiak-Lundqvist (Ole is physical while Nils?

i see maybe 3/4 guys yet i think they’re miles away from being equal to any of these American playoff teams

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I think some people are seeing the Islaners run and want us to be more like them, dont get me wrong they are playing well, but if they beat TB and or Vegas/Colorado then I'll be impressed. Rangers tried this same way in 2014 and ultimately lost to a team with more skill as will the Islanders

 

[NYR Viper]

I would think Buch and Strome, if on the move, wouldn't be for prospects or picks it would be for hockey trade(s) that would immediately benefit the team. If you were Drury and the owner basically said that the playoffs were a mandate would you be trading top 6 NHL'ers for picks? I don't think so. Maybe for vet LD, 3rd line center strong on draws, top end 4th liners, etc...

This is very possible as well. If Gorton can trade Buch or Strome and return a good 3C who is physical and can take tough match-ups that's a better scenario than Danault probably.

I would prefer Buch for Holloway/Lundell + depth forward
Strome for picks

 

[NYSPORTS]

I think some people are seeing the Islaners run and want us to be more like them, dont get me wrong they are playing well, but if they beat TB and or Vegas/Colorado then I'll be impressed. Rangers tried this same way in 2014 and ultimately lost to a team with more skill as will the Islanders

i think some see how Carolina beat the Rangers in the play in while the Rangers couldn’t defend themselves against Washington, Boston or the Isles so want a tougher team. Appears ownership wants it too b/c there are many other teams these Rangers can’t beat which haven’t been mentioned.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

i think some see how Carolina beat the Rangers in the play in while the Rangers couldn’t defend themselves against Washington, Boston or the Isles so want a tougher team. Appears ownership wants it too b/c there are many other teams these Rangers can’t beat which haven’t been mentioned.

yes, but they dont need 4-5 players to get tougher to play against. They can add like Goodrown, Mcginn, Reaves in a trade, Kassian in a trade, and get like 2 of them, Kreider moves down to the 3rd line and they're already tougher. You want your top 6 to be skilled more than tough. Also, guys like Lafraniere, Kakko will learn that in time.

 

[NYSPORTS]

This is very possible as well. If Gorton can trade Buch or Strome and return a good 3C who is physical and can take tough match-ups that's a better scenario than Danault probably.

I would prefer Buch for Holloway/Lundell + depth forward
Strome for picks

Holloway/Lundell? They’re completely different players. One is a grinder while some here might give up their families to sit next too lol. The man crush for Lundell around here is a bit awkward.