Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXVII

[Off Sides]

I'll just keep shouting this as it appears it's still not getting through. The Rangers can re-sign Copp, play him at 2C for the next 2-3 years while Chytil continues to mature and develop his game (he is 22 years old...), and then structure his contract such that if needed, he could be traded. The Rangers structured the Kreider and Trouba contracts similarly.

He fits with relative ease next season. The season after that, Trouba and/or Kreider can be traded depending on the development of the young players. That should create ample cap space to re-sign Miller, Lafreniere, Kravtsov as needed. The organization has practically NO center prospects and the need is clearly at center moving forward. Signing Copp is an intelligent decision and this isn't a guy like Strome who the team may be hesitant to build a solid 3rd line around. Copp can play in a variety if situations/roles and still play well.

What this also does, is give the Rangers the ability to flex their financial muscles a bit by front-loading any Copp contract and then using him as a possible asset in the future to return 1-2 inexpensive, young assets to help back-fill the organizational holes.

I like Copp, and I agree with much of that. If they can extend him with say only an 8 team no trade on a front loaded deal, what you posted makes sense.

Yet even Nemeth I guess required an 8 team no trade to sign for 3 years.

 

[NYR Viper]

I like Copp, and I agree with much of that. If they can extend him with say only an 8 team no trade on a front loaded deal, what you posted makes sense.

Yet even Nemeth I guess required an 8 team no trade to sign for 3 years.

8 teams could be more about the player not wanting to ever end up in Canada due to a slew of reasons. For example, Nemeth missed time this season due to a personal issue. I am completely speculating here, but perhaps someone in his family needs a specific type of medical care and they do not want to deal with the socialized system in Canada? Perhaps it's the higher tax rate? Perhaps he hates Mounties or is a wanted fugitive in Canada?

An 8-team NTC, if discussed at the time of signing, can mean nothing more than a written promise not to deal him to Canada without saying in the contract 'can not be traded to Canada'.

 

[Payote75]

Please stop trying to trade Trouba. It is hockey ignorance 101.

This team needs more snarl and physical presence. Some of that will come from Schneider but it also needs to come from other places.

And if one believes Arthur Staple, Trouba was on the verge of being named captain this year. That may still happen.

Lets start tooling up for the future by removing our physical pacesetter. Can you be more dumb than that?

Awesome hit it right on the head!!!

 

[Off Sides]

8 teams could be more about the player not wanting to ever end up in Canada due to a slew of reasons. For example, Nemeth missed time this season due to a personal issue. I am completely speculating here, but perhaps someone in his family needs a specific type of medical care and they do not want to deal with the socialized system in Canada? Perhaps it's the higher tax rate? Perhaps he hates Mounties or is a wanted fugitive in Canada?

An 8-team NTC, if discussed at the time of signing, can mean nothing more than a written promise not to deal him to Canada without saying in the contract 'can not be traded to Canada'.

Sure, what I was saying though, is if Nemeth can get an 8 team, Goodrow a 15 team, trying to get Copp to sign without an even more restrictive clause seems like it's going to be pretty difficult.

 

[duhmetreE]

I'd go with this suggestion but I'll believe it when I see it. The only thing saving the Rangers from themselves is the cap. The Rangers' pov is:

1. The window is now.
2. Ramifications from the Panarin signing will come home to roost
3. Tight cap space will be felt.
4. Kids (Miller and Laf) will want significant money next year
5. GG will want vets that fits the way he wants to play
6. GG wants a shut down line and a more traditional N/S game in general
7. Panarin's line has to be built around Panarin so it's effective in the post season 5v5.

So:
Over the next season or two Chytil, Kakko, Nils and Jones (+ Kravtsov maybe) will be dealt. They don't fit GG's style. Chytil needs to grow into a 2C, which imo he has a chance to do as a poor man's Roope Hintz, but on the Rangers he doesn't fit with Panarin so that means he's out. Kakko will be dealt over the summer, or lost to an offer sheet from a playoff club with cap space if there's an offer from a club he likes. He has no business being developed into a Jesper Fast. Nils and Jones are just too small. This wouldn't be my choice at all, but it's what I expect will happen.

I do not get the 'sky is falling' takes with Kakko. He will be fine and I highly doubt he's moved unless a major piece is coming back.... That piece would be a Center. Teams don't trade young cost controlled centers.. ie. He's not going anywhere.

On Panarin's point... he slowly degraded into his current form. Coming from Torts' Blue Jackets, he was given some freedom but kept the 'good habits'. The dial has turned way too far in the wrong direction... he needs to dial it back. -Strome +Copp is a good start but even Copp started the over passing.... it's like a Virus.

KAM and Laffy will be bridged. Maaaaaaybe one of them gets a long term deal... but the can will most likely be kicked down the road until NMCs expire, contracts expire and cap goes up.

We're fine. We need to add some more anger. I need a player to play the way Snowblind acts towards Goalies.

 

[JimmyG89]

8 teams could be more about the player not wanting to ever end up in Canada due to a slew of reasons. For example, Nemeth missed time this season due to a personal issue. I am completely speculating here, but perhaps someone in his family needs a specific type of medical care and they do not want to deal with the socialized system in Canada? Perhaps it's the higher tax rate? Perhaps he hates Mounties or is a wanted fugitive in Canada?

An 8-team NTC, if discussed at the time of signing, can mean nothing more than a written promise not to deal him to Canada without saying in the contract 'can not be traded to Canada'.

Canada + Arizona is likely the 8 teams. Arizona is fine here too since they wouldn't take someone owed more money than their cap hit is.

Should really just buy him out. Saves 1.5M in cap space. Costs 1M on the cap for the next 4 years. Just not having him around is an improvement. Jones at 925K. I'd just look at is as though they are paying Miller 1.95M since he is worth more than that anyway. See if Braun takes 1M to stay in NY. One less piece to add at the deadline.

 

[fm]

I agree with all of the above except for a fairly significant point. Adding a guy like Braun at the deadline is beneficial to keeping him on the roster all year. Having someone on the roster for 1/5 of the regular season means effectively they cost you 1/5 of the cap room that they would have if they were there year-round.

 

[duhmetreE]

We need more Laffy's and Troubas. Not less.

Ideally, better skaters.

The objective is winning. We see what it takes to win. If you look at Tampa's roster it's not that impressive. Their top end talent ALL PRODUCE at a level that they are getting paid for. They do not have dead weight. They have arguably the greatest goalie and a massive defense. Great 2 way centers. They all play angry and with an edge.

That is the model. That is what we need to attempt to emulate. They are about to 3peat.

 

[McRanger92]

I do not get the 'sky is falling' takes with Kakko. He will be fine and I highly doubt he's moved unless a major piece is coming back.... That piece would be a Center. Teams don't trade young cost controlled centers.. ie. He's not going anywhere.

On Panarin's point... he slowly degraded into his current form. Coming from Torts' Blue Jackets, he was given some freedom but kept the 'good habits'. The dial has turned way too far in the wrong direction... he needs to dial it back. -Strome +Copp is a good start but even Copp started the over passing.... it's like a Virus.

KAM and Laffy will be bridged. Maaaaaaybe one of them gets a long term deal... but the can will most likely be kicked down the road until NMCs expire, contracts expire and cap goes up.

We're fine. We need to add some more anger. I need a player to play the way Snowblind acts towards Goalies.

Agree with all of this but I love the bolded. They need someone with a mean streak, in the top 6 especially. Its why I would investigate what it would take to get Dubois. I also think they also need to agitate a little bit more. I liked what I saw from Lafreniere in that regard, and hopefully Blais & even Kravtsov can contribute to that next year.

 

[duhmetreE]

Agree with all of this but I love the bolded. They need someone with a mean streak, in the top 6 especially. Its why I would investigate what it would take to get Dubois. I also think they also need to agitate a little bit more. I liked what I saw from Lafreniere in that regard, and hopefully Blais & even Kravtsov can contribute to that next year.

My issue is I think it's a NYR org issue. It creates softness with the corporate first class country club environment.

NYR McDonagh vs TBL McDonagh are two different players IMO. Be the bully or get bullied.

 

[TominNC]

I tend to leave the management to the hired pros. Same with cap compliance. I think we saw this year that holes can be filled at the deadline.

I wouldn't mind seeing Copp and Motte come back. Maybe Braun as 7th D. I'd like to spend a good part of the season getting a good look at Laf and Kakko in the top 6, Kravtsov as a regular and Jones/Lundkvist on D. That should be enough players. Can they fit in the cap? Not my job.

Strome I don't want to see again. Vatrano is probably a cap hit. Nemeth should be somewhere else. I've seen enough Rooney and maybe Reaves is ready to be a coach or something. No need for huge changes, there's still enough upside potential from the young players to cover the regular season and put the team in a good position. Take a look at some other younger guys as injuries require.

 

[McRanger92]

My issue is I think it's a NYR org issue. It creates softness with the corporate first class country club environment.

NYR McDonagh vs TBL McDonagh are two different players IMO. Be the bully or get bullied.

I think to some extent you are right, but in the Rangers defense, they intimidated a lot of teams physically this year, Including Pittsburgh & Carolina in the playoffs. It needs to jump to another level though, because to beat Tampa (and the Islanders) in next years playoffs you need to match their intensity.

 

[Boris Zubov]

My issue is I think it's a NYR org issue. It creates softness with the corporate first class country club environment.

NYR McDonagh vs TBL McDonagh are two different players IMO. Be the bully or get bullied.

I brought that exact point up in a GDT. McDonagh as an Ranger was pretty f***ing soft. Not saying he wouldn't take the body, but he NEVER shoved any players or engaged after the whistle, even if they were in Hanks kitchen.

Fast forward to today & he was crosschecking anyone near Vasy, involved in a bunch of scrums & overall really abrasive to play against. It's a wolf pack mentality (pardon the pun) that Tampa plays with, & we need to learn it. Every single one of their players does it & we need to mimic it.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

I think to some extent you are right, but in the Rangers defense, they intimidated a lot of teams physically this year, Including Pittsburgh & Carolina in the playoffs. It needs to jump to another level though, because to beat Tampa (and the Islanders) in next years playoffs you need to match their intensity.

The islanders?!? Who are you Stan Fischler? The rest of the post is good but jesus you put the islanders in the playoffs next year? Lol ok

 

[McRanger92]

The islanders?!? Who are you Stan Fischler? The rest of the post is good but jesus you put the islanders in the playoffs next year? Lol ok

They will be. Sorokin is that good and they will add the scoring winger they desperately need for Barzal. Plus a long offseason will help them greatly. I despise the Isles but discount them at your own risk. Firing Trotz was risky, but if the players asked for it like it was rumored, it could have a similar effect that the Torts->AV change had for us.

 

[Dijock94]

I dont disagree with you.

But next summer, when you've gotta sign Miller and Laf, where is the money coming from?

It’s coming from not spending it all this summer

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

They will be. Sorokin is that good and they will add the scoring winger they desperately need for Barzal. Plus a long offseason will help them greatly. I despise the Isles but discount them at your own risk. Firing Trotz was risky, but if the players asked for it like it was rumored, it could have a similar effect that the Torts->AV change had for us.

I think they're toast.

It's an old roster that will be a year older run by a moron GM who lost the only really good thing that the team had going for them.

I know Lambert was plucked right off of the Trotz tree, but so was Todd Reirden. Barzal is about to bolt from that team in a year too, I don't think he extends.

 

[Lays]

The islanders?!? Who are you Stan Fischler? The rest of the post is good but jesus you put the islanders in the playoffs next year? Lol ok

Don’t underestimate them. They struggled with injuries and an awful 13 game road streak to start the season. They’re a very good team still and showed it in the second half

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Why am I chuckling at the name "Rory Drury"?



@EdJovanovski

 

[huerter]

We need more Laffy's and Troubas. Not less.

Ideally, better skaters.

The objective is winning. We see what it takes to win. If you look at Tampa's roster it's not that impressive. Their top end talent ALL PRODUCE at a level that they are getting paid for. They do not have dead weight. They have arguably the greatest goalie and a massive defense. Great 2 way centers. They all play angry and with an edge.

That is the model. That is what we need to attempt to emulate. They are about to 3peat.

More? There is only one 8 Mil Mayfield. You will never find another.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

 

[Lays]

He may be a little vanilla but he was extremely effective. When I look at chytil I don't see a 2c bc I don't think he has the offensive iq. He has the skills but not the mind for that. He would be a fantastic 3c that could play up in the lineup for injuries IF he can finally improve his faceoffs and keep growing his d game.

Realistically chytil has been more of a victim of stroke's deficiencies than anything bc if either of our top centers were good faceoff men than it doesn't highlight the issues with chytil at the dot, but bc your top 2cs were both offensively skilled guys that struggled at the dot and one in particular struggled in the d zone it just puts more pressure on the 3c to differentiate himself and not share the same flaws. That's part of the need for lineup diversity. How they go about replacing strome will have a bigger affect on this lineup than I think most people realize.

I still see Chytil as Lars Eller in his prime. Offensive 3C that can step in at 2C for a stretch and be solid but ultimately need 2 better centers. 35-45 points a season

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Don’t underestimate them. They struggled with injuries and an awful 13 game road streak to start the season. They’re a very good team still and showed it in the second half

Islanders were the 19th best team in the league going by points percentage in the 2nd half, 10th in the East.

The road trip excuse is bull shit. The Rangers had to deal with similar shit in 2012 and 2014. 2012 came with a trip across Europe. It's unconventional and the covid stuff they had to deal with wasn't ideal either, but good teams find away to navigate through that. The Isles are old and untalented. Lambert isn't Trotz.

 

[CLW]

I do not get the 'sky is falling' takes with Kakko. He will be fine and I highly doubt he's moved unless a major piece is coming back.... That piece would be a Center. Teams don't trade young cost controlled centers.. ie. He's not going anywhere.

On Panarin's point... he slowly degraded into his current form. Coming from Torts' Blue Jackets, he was given some freedom but kept the 'good habits'. The dial has turned way too far in the wrong direction... he needs to dial it back. -Strome +Copp is a good start but even Copp started the over passing.... it's like a Virus.

KAM and Laffy will be bridged. Maaaaaaybe one of them gets a long term deal... but the can will most likely be kicked down the road until NMCs expire, contracts expire and cap goes up.

We're fine. We need to add some more anger. I need a player to play the way Snowblind acts towards Goalies.

Yeah I saw Kakko's exit interview. The tone was good, not quite what I got from reading the reports. And today's reports point at nothing major happening apart from the 2nd C so I'm happier now. I like all the kids.

 

[duhmetreE]

I think to some extent you are right, but in the Rangers defense, they intimidated a lot of teams physically this year, Including Pittsburgh & Carolina in the playoffs. It needs to jump to another level though, because to beat Tampa (and the Islanders) in next years playoffs you need to match their intensity.

I don't think we imposed our will. I think we have a resilient group....

Maybe fatigue played a role but we have key guys that just play too 'respectful' or as other would call it, 'soft'. Kreider should be steamrolling everyone and anyone. Set the tone.