Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXVII

[CLW]

Or we could just go out & find an actual center & give the kids a chance to develop without added pressure.

I'd go with this suggestion but I'll believe it when I see it. The only thing saving the Rangers from themselves is the cap. The Rangers' pov is:

1. The window is now.
2. Ramifications from the Panarin signing will come home to roost
3. Tight cap space will be felt.
4. Kids (Miller and Laf) will want significant money next year
5. GG will want vets that fits the way he wants to play
6. GG wants a shut down line and a more traditional N/S game in general
7. Panarin's line has to be built around Panarin so it's effective in the post season 5v5.

So:
Over the next season or two Chytil, Kakko, Nils and Jones (+ Kravtsov maybe) will be dealt. They don't fit GG's style. Chytil needs to grow into a 2C, which imo he has a chance to do as a poor man's Roope Hintz, but on the Rangers he doesn't fit with Panarin so that means he's out. Kakko will be dealt over the summer, or lost to an offer sheet from a playoff club with cap space if there's an offer from a club he likes. He has no business being developed into a Jesper Fast. Nils and Jones are just too small. This wouldn't be my choice at all, but it's what I expect will happen.

 

[rangers1314]

Drury meets the media at 10 EST.

 

[Anthony5967]

Its the cost control of the assets we would have had with those players. Barron is the type of player we're gonna be looking for next year, cheap with size, physical and good on faceoffs. I'd argue he would have been used this year had we had him. The picks could be made and kept or traded for assets when we really needed them. Basically we traded all those pieces away too early and if Copp signs somewhere else we got nothing back just like Boston did with Nash, they weren't a Rick Nash away from a cup just like we weren't a Andrew Copp away. We need depth more than we needed Copp this year, we threw a lot of that away in one trade.

They went up 2-0 against the back-to-back Cup champs, leading 2-0 in game three. Nobody told Trouba to go on a penalty frenzy to get Tampa back in the game and series. Nobody is bitching about the Copp deal if they win the ECF. Copp is 27 years old.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I'd go with this suggestion but I'll believe it when I see it. The only thing saving the Rangers from themselves is the cap. The Rangers' pov is:

1. The window is now.
2. Ramifications from the Panarin signing will come home to roost
3. Tight cap space will be felt.
4. Kids (Miller and Laf) will want significant money next year
5. GG will want vets that fits the way he wants to play
6. GG wants a shut down line and a more traditional N/S game in general
7. Panarin's line has to be built around Panarin so it's effective in the post season 5v5.

So:
Over the next season or two Chytil, Kakko, Nils and Jones (+ Kravtsov maybe) will be dealt. They don't fit GG's style. Chytil needs to grow into a 2C, which imo he has a chance to do as a poor man's Roope Hintz, but on the Rangers he doesn't fit with Panarin so that means he's out. Kakko will be dealt over the summer, or lost to an offer sheet from a playoff club with cap space if there's an offer from a club he likes. He has no business being developed into a Jesper Fast. Nils and Jones are just too small. This wouldn't be my choice at all, but it's what I expect will happen.

This won't happen.

 

[bobbop]

Please stop trying to trade Trouba. It is hockey ignorance 101.

This team needs more snarl and physical presence. Some of that will come from Schneider but it also needs to come from other places.

And if one believes Arthur Staple, Trouba was on the verge of being named captain this year. That may still happen.

Lets start tooling up for the future by removing our physical pacesetter. Can you be more dumb than that?

 

[rangers1314]

Please stop trying to trade Trouba. It is hockey ignorance 101.

This team needs more snarl and physical presence. Some of that will come from Schneider but it also needs to come from other places.

And if one believes Arthur Staple, Trouba was on the verge of being named captain this year. That may still happen.

Lets start tooling up for the future by removing our physical pacesetter. Can you be more dumb than that?

I dont disagree with you.

But next summer, when you've gotta sign Miller and Laf, where is the money coming from?

 

[Anthony5967]

Kreider-Zibanejad-Lafreniere
Panarin-Copp-Kakko
Blais-Chytil-Kravtsov
Cullye-Goodrow-Motte

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Jones-Schneider
Braun for a mill?

Shesterkin
Backup

 

[mas0764]

Over the next season or two Chytil, Kakko, Nils and Jones (+ Kravtsov maybe) will be dealt.

Come on, no.

I dont disagree with you.

But next summer, when you've gotta sign Miller and Laf, where is the money coming from?

Crickets.

 

[SA16]

No state income tax. Florida is the place to be be right now. NY not so much. We will always have to pay up

Spezza signed 3 minimum deals in Toronto which has extremely high tax rates. Simmonds did something similar twice. I really don't think these players care much about this. Especially the guys who are making closer to 1M since the difference there is not nearly as much as someone on a more expensive deal. It's like a 100k difference in NY vs in FLA on a 1M salary if you assume they pay the full state rate for all 82 games so in actuality it is less.

 

[McRanger92]

Spezza signed 3 minimum deals in Toronto which has extremely high tax rates. Simmonds did something similar twice. I really don't think these players care much about this. Especially the guys who are making closer to 1M since the difference there is not nearly as much as someone on a more expensive deal. It's like a 100k difference in NY vs in FLA on a 1M salary if you assume they pay the full state rate for all 82 games so in actuality it is less.

Simmonds and Spezza are also Toronto natives, so its a bit different. Rangers are a world class organization that's now a Cup contender so my hope is that we start to get some of these aging but still effective vets to come in cheap and chase championships

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I dont disagree with you.

But next summer, when you've gotta sign Miller and Laf, where is the money coming from?

They'll naturally have space with some guys coming off contracts/completing buy outs and I've said it a billion times, Lindgren.

Push the cap up a million for next year, and they'll have a 14-15 million dollar cushion to get both signed (this is even if they eat up all of their available cap this year.)

It's not as dire as some of you make it sound.

Now if both of them AND Chytil break out, then it's an issue. Get ready for some LTIR f***ery if that happens.

 

[McRanger92]

I dont disagree with you.

But next summer, when you've gotta sign Miller and Laf, where is the money coming from?

Miller and Lafreniere are probably going to be bridged. Why would they want to sign long-term with a flat cap when they can kick the can down the road and cash in when the cap jumps up. We also have 3.4 mil in dead cap coming off the books and the cap will rise at least $1m next year. The upcoming RFA contracts aren't the boogeyman they are being made out to be.

 

[Taluss]

Im super excited for the next 5 years. My only beef is that we traded this years 1st away, I never believed this was our year and sending that pick away was short sighted. We need a lot of entry level deals to stay competitive for the next 5 to 7 years and moving 1st round picks at this point sabotages that. But, I'm really excited, most of the pieces are in place, its a great time to be a ranger fan.

I agree with you from a business perspective but honestly seeing this team make the conference finals and putting up an incredible 2 games vs Tampa made giving up that pick worth it to me. I have no prob not having the pick.

Certainly will be an exciting 5 years ahead!

 

[archanfelnsx]

I think the Rangers need a 2C like Pierre Luc Dubois. He played with Panarin in Columbus so no worries about chemistry. He’s a big dude at 6’3’’ and will probably come in at around $5M-$6M per season if you do a short term deal. He would be costly though and Kakko would most likely have to be included. Dubois is only 23 so he is still super young and can still get better. How about this:

Pierre Luc Dubois

For

Kaapo Kakko
Nils Lundkvist
Matthew Robertson
Patrik Nemeth or Ryan Reaves (he’s from Winnipeg) to help offset some salary

 

[McRanger92]

I think the Rangers need a 2C like Pierre Luc Dubois. He played with Panarin in Columbus so no worries about chemistry. He’s a big dude at 6’3’’ and will probably come in at around $5M-$6M per season if you do a short term deal. He would be costly though and Kakko would most likely have to be included. Dubois is only 23 so he is still super young and can still get better. How about this:

Pierre Luc Dubois

For

Kaapo Kakko
Nils Lundkvist
Matthew Robertson
Patrik Nemeth or Ryan Reaves (he’s from Winnipeg) to help offset some salary

Take out Robertson and make the deal contingent on a long term deal with PLD and I say yes.

 

[Rangers in 7]

People seem to forget that the cap will rise significantly after this flat cap bullshit. We will be fine

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Take out Robertson and make the deal contingent on a long term deal with PLD and I say yes.

Agreed. That's a deal I'd consider.

 

[NYR Viper]

I'll just keep shouting this as it appears it's still not getting through. The Rangers can re-sign Copp, play him at 2C for the next 2-3 years while Chytil continues to mature and develop his game (he is 22 years old...), and then structure his contract such that if needed, he could be traded. The Rangers structured the Kreider and Trouba contracts similarly.

He fits with relative ease next season. The season after that, Trouba and/or Kreider can be traded depending on the development of the young players. That should create ample cap space to re-sign Miller, Lafreniere, Kravtsov as needed. The organization has practically NO center prospects and the need is clearly at center moving forward. Signing Copp is an intelligent decision and this isn't a guy like Strome who the team may be hesitant to build a solid 3rd line around. Copp can play in a variety if situations/roles and still play well.

What this also does, is give the Rangers the ability to flex their financial muscles a bit by front-loading any Copp contract and then using him as a possible asset in the future to return 1-2 inexpensive, young assets to help back-fill the organizational holes.

 

[JimmyG89]

Doubt he will be that cheap. He was in demand at the deadline and will have suitor this summer

Depends on what he wants to do. He's been on Arizona and Buffalo. While getting paid is nice, someone like him could be looking to go somewhere for a little less to win. He finally did that when he went to Washington, even though they get bumped out in the first round.

Haven't seen any contract projections, but this is someone that you can "overpay" for your 4th line. I'd offer the Jesper Fast deal that he signed with Carolina if he gets to that level of interest. I'm not sure it does get there. 3x1.5M should do the trick.

 

[rangers1314]

Drury says still no word if Strome needs surgery.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Drury says still no word if Strome needs surgery.

If he was that injured, it's a giant f*** up by both the coaches & the training staff to let him continue to play.

 

[rangers1314]

If he was that injured, it's a giant f*** up by both the coaches & the training staff to let him continue to play.

Surgery or not, it was still the wrong call.

Also, just an FYI, ESPN announced that 2 hour E60 doc on the wings-Avs rivalry is coming out June 26.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Surgery or not, it was still the wrong call.

Exactly my point.

 

[Savant]

If he was that injured, it's a giant f*** up by both the coaches & the training staff to let him continue to play.

The players are always going to say that they can Go.

irresponsible by the staff to let him out there

 

[McRanger92]

Exactly my point.

I know what Strome was trying to do by playing in Games 5 & 6, but it was way more selfish than heroic. Gallant being such a loyal guy and player's coach clearly impeded his judgement there