Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXVII

[JimmyG89]

Johan Larsson would be another good cheap pickup. Center and wing. PK. Agitator. Physical player too. Check his stats in Washington. His analytical numbers are amazing. On top of that, he does not get sheltered zone starts. In fact, he is someone that you put on your shutdown line.

See what he wants. He's the perfect player to go and get that can play on your 3rd and 4th lines and matchup against good players and move the puck from the defensive zone and end up in the offensive zone.

If they don't, he better not end up on Tampa. He'd be a perfect replacement for some of the players they are likely to lose.

 

[Ola]

I'm interested in the idea of adding speed.

I wonder if any fast centers are available because that's where we need help.

My only hesitation with Stastny is that he's slower than glue.

I also sort of think that the Rangers are just a slow team, adding two fast guys is just going to create a lack of chemistry, and they should just learn to play slower.

We'll see what they have in mind.


What, people who can skate at an NHL level?

*score*

 

[NikC]

Actually if you look at my posts history - you'd see that I did a lot of this prior to playoffs throughout the year and earlier - prior to this season too.

i stand corrected. i want Chytil to excel along with all of the youth here.

 

[Ola]

The Trouba waiving before his Limited NMC kicks in is just posters spinning their wheels.
His wife just started her residency at Lenox Hill Hospital. Minimum 3 years.

Odd, I thought Kreider’s turned 2024 and Trouba 2025, but now capgeek has both at 2024, recon that has always been the case, I am getting older…

The Trouba waiving before his Limited NMC kicks in is just posters spinning their wheels.
His wife just started her residency at Lenox Hill Hospital. Minimum 3 years.

The — option — of being able to trade both Kreider and Trouba would have me spinning into manic sprouting trade proposal mode 16/7/365.

But that option doesn’t exist. Unfortunately.

 

[LoveGoons]

Panarin-Mika-Krieder
Lafreniere-Chytil-Kravtsov
Motte-Stastny-Kakko
Blais-Goodrow-Hunt/Reaves

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Braun/Z.Jones-Schneider

Igor
Charlie Lindgren

Continue to bank on internal improvement. We have our stars in place and locked up long term. Drury & Gallant now need to put everyone in a position to better succeed. Part of that is building a bottom 6 that plays defense and can shutdown opponents. Laf on PP1, KAM taking Trouba's spot on PP2. See if Chytil or Kakko can handle PK time. With rough estimates, the roster above has about ~2mil in cap space. Gives us deadline flexibility & flexibility for the summer of 2023.

Add Get Fox, Zib and Keider off the PK ..Even give Lindgren and trouba a break.. neither of them will make pass 2024 alive with the abuse their bodies are taking..

 

[Boris Zubov]

10000% yes.

And this isn't a "oh you hate Nils so much LOLZ" thing. Roy is a really good player.

I don't think it's enough going the other way tbh.

I really like Roy as well so I'm inclined to agree, but I don't think we'd need to add. Vegas is short on prospects & has good center depth, so it's a fair deal for both sides.

 

[Ola]

The Lightning have revolutionized the game. But it wasn't the 2020-22 Lightning, it was the '15 Lightning. Those little buggers were the ones who trailblazed the royal road. They realized why take a good shot but with with the goalie set and with clear sight when you can create a great shot.

And yet it's still in its infancy. We're still in like 2005 with the 3 point shot. The royal road revolution is coming. This current style of hockey is gonna be obsolete...quick.

Which is why my number one priority this offseason is to be ahead of the curve. And there is no better way to do that then to bring in one of those Lightning buggers. Perhaps the buggiest bugger of them all. Ty MF Johnson. And Chicago is gonna keep half his salary. And we're gonna put him shotgun with the Breadman. And we're gonna put his beautiful right handed shot in the Strome position on the league's best PP. And we are gonna be silly.

Haha, I am on.

But really, look at the 08’ and 09’ Red Wings, they had Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Filpulla and Draper at center. That is where that team had invested if’s money. On the wing they had dirt cheap (at the time) Holmstrom, Franzen, Cleary and the likes.

Look at the 07’ Anaheim team that won. They had at center Andy McDonalds, Sammy Phalsson, Rob Niedermayer and Todd Marchand/taking turns at C with a 19/20 y/o Getzlaf. 5’10/5’11/6’1 and 5’11 mostly in the finals.

Tampa won two years in a row with a team that — by far — had the smallest group of centers in the league.

Still you often hear, ‘player X has that size at center ice that you need to have to win the POs’.

It’s not anything new. Skilled centers with speed can carry less skilled big wingers, whom in their turn can be had cheap.

I brought that up a lot when Torts was here, Torts requires physically hardworking players, that were skilled. Good luck putting a team with a bunch of skilled players with size on the ice that is good enough to compete for a cup without exceeding the cap with 150%.

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[Ola]

Johan Larsson would be another good cheap pickup. Center and wing. PK. Agitator. Physical player too. Check his stats in Washington. His analytical numbers are amazing. On top of that, he does not get sheltered zone starts. In fact, he is someone that you put on your shutdown line.

See what he wants. He's the perfect player to go and get that can play on your 3rd and 4th lines and matchup against good players and move the puck from the defensive zone and end up in the offensive zone.

If they don't, he better not end up on Tampa. He'd be a perfect replacement for some of the players they are likely to lose.

Has he developed his foot speed? I’ve not followed him a ton since he was 18-20. But I like him, he really came up as a pure playmaker, you know like the Nik Backstrom type. But he has really worked hard to evolve and adjust to become a type of player who you can play without him being a core player.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I really like Roy as well so I'm inclined to agree, but I don't think we'd need to add. Vegas is short on prospects & has good center depth, so it's a fair deal for both sides.

Yeah but he's going to generate a ton of interest, that next contract is not going to be that crazy and hes young enough that even a team that is rebuilding or on the rise would likely be interested.

I guess they'd need "cheap ASAP" help rather than a guy they can wait on or a draft pick so Nils checks those boxes, but do they need another PP RHD? especially with Pietriangelo already there? Do they even need a RHD?

I genuinely have no idea what that team needs other than to stay healthy and a new coach.

 

[rangers1314]

Drury will have a media avil tomorrow, per Staple

 

[Boris Zubov]

Yeah but he's going to generate a ton of interest, that next contract is not going to be that crazy and hes young enough that even a team that is rebuilding or on the rise would likely be interested.

I guess they'd need "cheap ASAP" help rather than a guy they can wait on or a draft pick so Nils checks those boxes, but do they need another PP RHD? especially with Pietriangelo already there? Do they even need a RHD?

I genuinely have no idea what that team needs other than to stay healthy and a new coach.

RHD is a need for them, but not glaring. They currently have Pietro & Whitecloud, with a 3rd pair rotation that included Dylan Coglan, who I don't think they love, but that could change with a new coach.

What they desperately need is guys who contribute on ELCs & just an infusion of young talent. Their core is aging & obviously starting to break down.

 

[huerter]

Haha, I am on.

But really, look at the 08’ and 09’ Red Wings, they had Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Filpulla and Draper at center. That is where that team had invested if’s money. On the wing they had dirt cheap (at the time) Holmstrom, Franzen, Cleary and the likes.

Look at the 07’ Anaheim team that won. They had at center Andy McDonalds, Sammy Phalsson, Rob Niedermayer and Todd Marchand/taking turns at C with a 19/20 y/o Getzlaf. 5’10/5’11/6’1 and 5’11 mostly in the finals.

Tampa won two years in a row with a team that — by far — had the smallest group of centers in the league.

Still you often hear, ‘player X has that size at center ice that you need to have to win the POs’.

It’s not anything new. Skilled centers with speed can carry less skilled big wingers, whom in their turn can be had cheap.

I brought that up a lot when Torts was here, Torts requires physically hardworking players, that were skilled. Good luck putting a team with a bunch of skilled players with size on the ice that is good enough to compete for a cup without exceeding the cap with 150%.

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I have no idea what this has to do with my post.

 

[duhmetreE]

Ask a simple question.

Would Tampa want Chytil as a top9 center? Does he fit their mold?

Doesn't mean he can't develop his 2way game... but he's too soft. It's not a size thing. He's just not tenacious or aggressive enough. I don't think that is something that comes with time... you either have it or you don't.

We need players with an attitude. The country club mindset is wearing thin on me. Point and Cirelli are smaller than him but play with a lot more fight and snarl IMO. That's the difference

We have way too many gentle giants. It's been an issue for too long. I've grown numb to it... All I want is for players to finish checks and play a 'mans game'.

 

[Raspewtin]

Ask a simple question.

Would Tampa want Chytil as a top9 center? Does he fit their mold?

Doesn't mean he can't develop his 2way game... but he's too soft. It's not a size thing. He's just not tenacious or aggressive enough. I don't think that is something that comes with time... you either have it or you don't.

We need players with an attitude. The country club mindset is wearing thin on me. Point and Cirelli are smaller than him but play with a lot more fight and snarl IMO. That's the difference

We have way too many gentle giants. It's been an issue for too long.

Chytil was probably the most aggressive forward on the team these playoffs, what lol

just because he didn't belt people every shift doesn't mean he's soft.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Ask a simple question.

Would Tampa want Chytil as a top9 center? Does he fit their mold?

Doesn't mean he can't develop his 2way game... but he's too soft. It's not a size thing. He's just not tenacious or aggressive enough. I don't think that is something that comes with time... you either have it or you don't.

We need players with an attitude. The country club mindset is wearing thin on me. Point and Cirelli are smaller than him but play with a lot more fight and snarl IMO. That's the difference

We have way too many gentle giants. It's been an issue for too long. I've grown numb to it... All I want is for players to finish checks and play a 'mans game'.

Don't worry, we have a player coming along who goes far beyond the game of man and into the realm of divinity.

 

[Ola]

Many are probably looking for that speed at center ice. Think it will be hard to find. But not impossible.

However, the potential for real steals is probably the highest if you look at younger players who are wingers today, but that has a history at center ice. For some guys that play at center ice comes natural, look at Hayes, he was what a center up until he turned 16, but could switch back at 22-23 without big adjustments.

15-20 years ago, people put the biggest talent at center in juniors. Now you tend to move them to the wing, the game is so open that if you can give them a free role they excel. 0% chance that someone like Laf isn’t put at center 20 years ago. Now these guys are wingers. Sweden have a real drought of talented centers. Our best younger centers, Willy Nylander (if he even should be labeled as a center), Pettersson, Kempe, they were all wingers mostly before turning pro.

Anyway, look at someone like Kailer Yamamoto. Is he ready to be a center in the NHL at 20? Was he ready to be a center in the WHL at 16? But he has a history there, it’s obvious when you see him that the things that is hard for a player to learn that a center must be able to do, are things he is confident with. But he of course needs strength, experience, learn the consistency side of things — to work defensively. But like there is a reason guys like Gourde and Ty Johnson wasn’t stand out centers in the NHL either when they were 20-22 y/o. These guys need time to get there. Is Yamamoto even too small to ever work at center? Perhaps. Borderline. Gourde and TyJo aren’t 5’2, there is a line there for sure.

Look at someone like Nic Robertsson in Toronto. He is one of the young players out there — with a skill set — that intrigues me the most. He has played a little center, but not much recently. But seriously, if you could get a guy with his tool set to work at center, what a match-up PITA he would be. I take him over a Cody Glass every day of the week.

 

[HonestGabe]

- Nemeth for a 7th to Arizona, attach a slight add if needed but get him out of here STAT.
- explore a prospect swap for Nils. Maybe you can see if a younger center is available that you can let play in the A with Othmann and Cuylle for a year and build chemistry

- Copp and Strome are both going to price themselves out. There will be cheaper options to target. I think Georgiev is good as gone, Braun I liked a lot but he probably will not want to be a 7th here so he's gone too. You can likely keep Vatrano and Motte here for the price of Copp and also find a 2C/3C stopgap with veteran presence.

Free Agency

Vatrano. - 2 x 2.5
Motte. - 2 x 1.8
Kakko - 3 x 2.5
Blais - 1 x 1.6
Stastny - 2 x 3.5
B Smith or comparable vet Dman - 1 x 900k
Holtby or Halak vet BUG - 1 x 1

Chris Kreider - Mika Zibanejad - Alexis Lafreniere
Artemi Panarin - Filip Chytil - Kaapo Kakko
Frank Vatrano - Paul Stastny - Vitali Kravtsov
Tyler Motte - Barclay Goodrow - Sammy Blais

extras: Gustav Rydahl, Ryan Reaves

Ryan Lindgren - Adam Fox
K'Andre Miller - Jacob Trouba
Zac Jones - Braden Schneider

ex: Brendan Smith with Matt Robertson waiting in the wings as well

 

[Ola]

I have no idea what this has to do with my post.

Okey, what do you want me to do about that?

You talk about Tampa revolutionizing the game, but really, Yzerman just copied what the generation after him did in Detroit and implemented it in Tampa and they have kept going in the same direction.

 

[huerter]

Okey, what do you want me to do about that?

You talk about Tampa revolutionizing the game, but really, Yzerman just copied what the generation after him did in Detroit and implemented it in Tampa and they have kept going in the same direction.

I need a dissertation on the royal road and how we are only at the infancy of its effect on the game and how the '15 era Lightning were the buggers who really paved the way. And in conclusion we should pry TyJo from Chicago at 50% because he'd be bazilly next to Panarin and as a RH shot on PP1 as a discount Strome.

 

[Synergy27]

Contracts aside, replacing Strome with Stastny is the same as just keeping Strome. It's still a center that will play with Panarin both 5on5 and on the PP.

I am not totally sold on Chytil becoming a 2nd line center, yet I think the Rangers need to find out.

To me all of Kakko, Chytil, Laff, Krav need somewhere to play if they are going to break out. Much like Miller did last year, does he do it if the Rangers sign someone better than Nemeth?

Except that Stastny excels in areas that Strome doesn’t (faceoffs, not taking penalties, “defense”). And he’d likely be attainable on a cheapie, short term contract that would come off the books when we need it to. This Stastny idea is really growing on me, though I have no idea how likely it is that he’ll want to sign here.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Many are probably looking for that speed at center ice. Think it will be hard to find. But not impossible.

However, the potential for real steals is probably the highest if you look at younger players who are wingers today, but that has a history at center ice. For some guys that play at center ice comes natural, look at Hayes, he was what a center up until he turned 16, but could switch back at 22-23 without big adjustments.

15-20 years ago, people put the biggest talent at center in juniors. Now you tend to move them to the wing, the game is so open that if you can give them a free role they excel. 0% chance that someone like Laf isn’t put at center 20 years ago. Now these guys are wingers. Sweden have a real drought of talented centers. Our best younger centers, Willy Nylander (if he even should be labeled as a center), Pettersson, Kempe, they were all wingers mostly before turning pro.

Anyway, look at someone like Kailer Yamamoto. Is he ready to be a center in the NHL at 20? Was he ready to be a center in the WHL at 16? But he has a history there, it’s obvious when you see him that the things that is hard for a player to learn that a center must be able to do, are things he is confident with. But he of course needs strength, experience, learn the consistency side of things — to work defensively. But like there is a reason guys like Gourde and Ty Johnson wasn’t stand out centers in the NHL either when they were 20-22 y/o. These guys need time to get there. Is Yamamoto even too small to ever work at center? Perhaps. Borderline. Gourde and TyJo aren’t 5’2, there is a line there for sure.

Look at someone like Nic Robertsson in Toronto. He is one of the young players out there — with a skill set — that intrigues me the most. He has played a little center, but not much recently. But seriously, if you could get a guy with his tool set to work at center, what a match-up PITA he would be. I take him over a Cody Glass every day of the week.

Welcome aboard the Nick Robertson hype train

 

[duhmetreE]

Chytil was probably the most aggressive forward on the team these playoffs, what lol

just because he didn't belt people every shift doesn't mean he's soft.

He was skating real well and forchecking. He's missing an anger component. Laffy is the prototype in that regard. He's what I want our players to be like.


It's not about belting people. It's about not being afraid of contact and initiating. He's part of the drive by crew. No edge..... No @Edge

I don't see it likely but he could technically still develop it. KAM has grown leaps and bounds in that regard this season... hopefully he proves me wrong

 

[duhmetreE]

Don't worry, we have a player coming along who goes far beyond the game of man and into the realm of divinity.

he will just add to the country club primadonna vibe

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

He was skating real well and forchecking. He's missing an anger component. Laffy is the prototype in that regard. He's what I want our players to be like.


It's not about belting people. It's about not being afraid of contact and initiating. He's part of the drive by crew. No edge..... No @Edge

I don't see it likely but he could technically still develop it. KAM has grown leaps and bounds in that regard this season... hopefully he proves me wrong

He doesn't really need it though. He was a wagon for a big portion of this run.

I'm all for adding more of it (as long as it comes with other things, like actually being good) but let other guys take care of that stuff.

 

[Off Sides]

Except that Stastny excels in areas that Strome doesn’t (faceoffs, not taking penalties, “defense”). And he’d likely be attainable on a cheapie, short term contract that would come off the books when we need it to. This Stastny idea is really growing on me, though I have no idea how likely it is that he’ll want to sign here.

If they go that route people should expect things to be pretty much as they were, Panarin's line with Stastny and someone like Hunt get top minutes, along with Zbad's, and the others play further down without PP time.