Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXVII

[The New Russian Five]

If a player can't handle being a scratch for one game is he really the type of player you want to commit to long term?

Scratched for the most important game of the season, when he was playing perfectly fine and on a line that was the most noticeable offensively, and was replaced by Dryden Hunt? Yeah, I would be pissed too.

 

[cheech70]

Weird that Lindgren is a topic of conversation when hes got 2 years left on his deal and is an RFA after. Pretty irrelevant a the moment.

Kakko & Nils are going to be trade bait for a center upgrade, provided they dont make a horrendous decision and bring back Strome. Copp I wouldn't sign to a market level deal, he would need to take slightly less to come back imo (5M AAV). Right now i lean toward getting a better offensive center after the struggles we had as the playoffs dragged on.

Im happy with what weve been hearing about the Kravtsov/Drury relationship. VK knows he made a mistake and shockingly Drury isnt the power hungry sociopath he was made out to be. Good to see the fences have been mended and I am really starting to think Krav will really help us, just has to focus his "f*** you" mentality on the opponents.

If VK can be rehabilitated............ so to K2

 

[rangers1314]

Weird that Lindgren is a topic of conversation when hes got 2 years left on his deal and is an RFA after. Pretty irrelevant a the moment.

It's not if you take the view that Lindgren isn't a guy you can trust to make these runs in your top 4.

Everyone loves him. You need guys like him to be successful. But maybe he's best suited as a 3rd pairing ES and 1PK guy?

 

[GENESISPuck94]

The Lightning outplayed us and deserved the series but if the Rangers have an NHL player in the game instead of Kevin Rooney they *probably* win game 5.

I am so tired of posting things like that. I am so tired of this team loving bad players. It's a Rangers tradition right up there with the goal song and Potvin Sucks.

Hell, they tried to do it to themselves in '94 trading half their top six for plugs. One of those plugs scored the most iconic goal in team history in game 7 but they shouldn't have been playing game 7.

Brian Leetch being Jesus Christ for 23 games is the only reason our pyre to the Plug God isn't 82 years high.

Leetch, Amonte, Kovalev, Weight, Zubov, Messier, Graves, Richter, Gartner

Thats some core to move forward with. Instead they traded 5 of them and spiraled into the dark ages.

They probably still would have won a Cup and probably more than one, had they not gutted what could have been one of the best core groups of the mid to late 90s and early 2000s. That group basically won two President's Trophies in a span from 92 to 94.

Want to know how to cripple a franchise for a decade? Look at the 90s Rangers. The hilarious thing is that people still want to do it by sending Kakko and Kravtsov packing because they didn't win Hart Trophies and cups by the age of 21. Yes please trade the chance to make up for the abomination that was gutting the organization of talent in the 90s so that we can repeat the same f***ing mistakes and have a new dark ages and wait another 50+ years for a Cup and probably never see one again in our lifetime.

Intelligent organizations hold on to their talent and allow them to grow into their potential.

 

[The New Russian Five]

You have no clue as to what K2 did or said .....so why question the benching?

Maybe if the org actually gave us even a hint of information about it, I wouldn't be questioning the benching. It's their fault for not telling their most important stakeholders, the fans.

 

[Machinehead]

It's not if you take the view that Lindgren isn't a guy you can trust to make these runs in your top 4.

Everyone loves him. You need guys like him to be successful. But maybe he's best suited as a 3rd pairing ES and 1PK guy?

I think they see him as a guy who has value in a trade being on an RFA contract, whereas after he dies on the ice a few more times, he no longer has that value.

 

[Profet]

Weird that Lindgren is a topic of conversation when hes got 2 years left on his deal and is an RFA after. Pretty irrelevant a the moment.

You can't build a successful team without selling high on a few players and/or getting lucky in the draft.

Lindgren and Kreider are both examples where their value around the league is probably at all time highs. I would be disappointed if either/both were traded. But I'd also completely understand it and if we actually are able to extract their perceived values it may be beneficial long term.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

I don't think Lindgren is going anywhere, but I remember he had a bad month or two in the regular season and this place blew up with fake Lindgren trades. It feels like everyone on the team is either on their ELC or they're making $10M with a no trade clause, there isn't a ton of flexibility with roster moves.

 

[The New Russian Five]

It's not if you take the view that Lindgren isn't a guy you can trust to make these runs in your top 4.

Everyone loves him. You need guys like him to be successful. But maybe he's best suited as a 3rd pairing ES and 1PK guy?

The topic was about his longevity not about what he brings at the current moment. If you followed these playoff games at all he was one of our best players and totally deserved to be in the top 4, and that will continue to be the case the next 2 years. The question is when you look 3, 4, or 5 years down the line, what will he be? Probably a much different player affected by injuries (e.g. Girardi).

 

[rangers1314]

I think they see him as a guy who has value in a trade being on an RFA contract, whereas after he dies on the ice a few more times, he no longer has that value.

Right. I think Lindgren is on the move after next season.

 

[McRanger92]

If VK can be rehabilitated............ so to K2

Kakko shouldnt need to be "rehabilitated" in my view. Id just be open to trading him because he hasnt been that good. Doesnt mean i want him gone or he will be, but trading him is a viable option.

 

[cheech70]

Maybe if the org actually gave us even a hint of information about it, I wouldn't be questioning the benching. It's their fault for not telling their most important stakeholders, the fans.

You need to think of this as a HR issue. Do some conflict resolution and of course discreetly and confidentially.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

As someone who sees a ton of Hawks games, some of these takes on Dach are nutty. He's a physical presence now? Lmao.

Kakko is better than Dach at pretty much everything. I guess if they absolutely need to take a gamble on a C you could make that argument.

 

[Machinehead]

Right. I think Lindgren is on the move after next season.

Yeah I would keep him for this season and then cash in on that last RFA deal in a trade, if they decide to move him.

I'm not saying definitely do that. Moving Lindgren is not on my "urgent" list. But I do see the argument that he's going to break down eventually.

 

[Vitto79]

What I’ve learned is they can get by w kids during the year

Should be the same plan then add at the deadline

 

[The New Russian Five]

You need to think of this as a HR issue. Do some conflict resolution and of course discreetly and confidentially.

The way it went down though didn't seem like some type of disciplinary issue. If that were the case why was he warming up before the game? It really felt more like GG thought Hunt could provide more that KK, which if I was Kakko, I would be super confused about too. And if I am Kakko going into an offseason where I can be offer sheeted, would I want to stay on a team that just benched me for the most important game of the season to play an inferior player? Especially, when that other team will likely pay more too? Why would I want to stay in New York when the coach clearly favors some of the 4th liners over me? I could go to another team, get paid more, and probably play in a top 6 role.

My point is, if the goal was to try keeping KK this offseason, they definitely have not been making him feel wanted.

 

[McRanger92]

You can't build a successful team without selling high on a few players and/or getting lucky in the draft.

Lindgren and Kreider are both examples where their value around the league is probably at all time highs. I would be disappointed if either/both were traded. But I'd also completely understand it and if we actually are able to extract their perceived values it may be beneficial long term.

This is a fantasy hockey mindset. Kreider & Lindgren's actual value to the Rangers is way higher than anything they would get in a trade. Even with Kreider, not sure what more people expected from him. He did exactly what hes always done for us; led the team in playoff goals and almost all of them were in big moments.

 

[rangers1314]

Freidman also says Mike Grier is very in play for the SJS GM job.

 

[Machinehead]

There seems to be a little bit of smoke with Kakko.

First we heard a rumor that it was disciplinary. Now apparently there's people reaching out to him that he'll be moved.

It may end up being nothing. Kravtsov came back after a whole lot of something. That being said, it seems to me like something happened here that wasn't just "I don't think he's playing very well."

 

[The New Russian Five]

Kakko shouldnt need to be "rehabilitated" in my view. Id just be open to trading him because he hasnt been that good. Doesnt mean i want him gone or he will be, but trading him is a viable option.

Trading him now feels like we will get pennies on the dollar, especially as he's getting close to a breakout. Why on earth would you sell when his value is near the lowest it can be?

 

[rangers1314]

Yeah I would keep him for this season and then cash in on that last RFA deal in a trade, if they decide to move him.

I'm not saying definitely do that. Moving Lindgren is not on my "urgent" list. But I do see the argument that he's going to break down eventually.

Right, I don't think its urgent either but I think this Lindgren is as good as it's going to be.

I do however think that looking to move him into a lesser role 5on5 this season isn't the worst thing.

 

[McRanger92]

There seems to be a little bit of smoke with Kakko.

First we heard a rumor that it was disciplinary. Now apparently there's people reaching out to him that he'll be moved.

It may end up being nothing. Kravtsov came back after a whole lot of something. That being said, it seems to me like something happened here that wasn't just "I don't think he's playing very well."

Something is fishy with the whole situation. Including Gallant twice refusing to answer why he was scratched.

 

[rangers1314]

There seems to be a little bit of smoke with Kakko.

First we heard a rumor that it was disciplinary. Now apparently there's people reaching out to him that he'll be moved.

It may end up being nothing. Kravtsov came back after a whole lot of something. That being said, it seems to me like something happened here that wasn't just "I don't think he's playing very well."

Where are you seeing this?

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

*Sees Sammy Blais trending on Twitter...interesting*


*Sees why he's trending on Twitter? WHAT ZE f***!?!?"

 

[McRanger92]

Trading him now feels like we will get pennies on the dollar, especially as he's getting close to a breakout. Why on earth would you sell when his value is near the lowest it can be?

Who said his value is low? Friedman said today teams will be calling. I'm also not at all convinced he's close to an offensive breakout