Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXVII

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The biggest issue with Trouba is his speed, especially when he is pivoting. Re-watch Stamkos GWG from the last game. Stamkos completely burned him in a foot race. Wasn't even close. And it is not like this was the first time it has happened with him.
His 3 bonehead penalties in game 3 cost us that game as well. Embarrassing showing in the playoffs
 
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What will happen with Zac Jones? will he be traded? What is his trade value?
Anyone’s guess, but I could see him being traded for an equivalent forward prospect that might be logjammed.

That said, the Rangers need more breakout passers, and Jones is good at that. He’s on the small side, but he’s shifty.

With KAM taking such a step, it really opens up options. If we’re keeping Jones, we could conceivably end up with something like

Lindgren - Fox
KAM - Schneider
Jones - Trouba

And then you have the option of shortening the bench for defensive situations and reuniting KAM and Trouba.

Also has Jones as a PP2 option instead of Trouba.

Who knows, but there are some interesting options. Curious to see where Robertson is at, too.
 
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Our Corey Perry - get it done Jimmy D

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The biggest priority in the offseason has to be getting better at even strength.

There should be easy fixes. Get Vatrano off the top line. Break up the Bobbsey Twins. Play the kids more.


Copp is going to be expensive in an area where I don't think we need to pay much. Panarin is not only fine with marginal players, he thrives with them.

Copp has been fine and has put up points but that line still completely sucks 5v5. He hasn't been the answer to Panarin struggling. Telling Strome to f*** off is going to be the answer.
FACEOFFs
 
Draft pedigree.
Georgiev has zero value. Lundkvist sucks.
Dach was one pick lower than Kakko, plays the more important position, and has outproduced Kakko in the NHL in fewer games. Stop being a homer man lol
Lundkvist is a RD, the second most valuable position to C probably. Dach is on the outs. Doesn’t matter where he was drafted if they don’t believe in him. He’s also a RFA. Georgiev has more than zero value but he’s a throw in, he’s not moving the needle.

I don’t think Dach - Lundkvist is too far off in value. Not being a Homer, both are highly touted prospects
 
Predictions for next year:

Copp signs with Seattle ($6.5m x 7 years)

Strome signs with Ottawa ($5.8m x 6 years)

Kakko signs with TPS and requests a trade which doesn’t happen during offseason.

Lafreniere and Miller sign extensions with Rangers on matching contracts at $4.7m x 6 years

Kravtsov signs for $1m x 1 year

Vatrano signs for $2.5m x 1 year

Motte signs with the Rangers at $2.3m x 4 years

Blais signs at 1.5m x 1 year

Koskinen signs with Rangers at $1.2m x 1 year

Nemeth is shipped out to Arizona by giving up a 3rd

Kreider - Zib - Laf
Panarin - Chytil - Kravtsov
Blais - Goodrow - Vatrano
Motte - Brodzinski - Hunt
Reaves

Lindgren - Fox
Miller - Trouba
Jones - Schnedier
Lundkvist

Shesterkin
Koskinen

Rangers are a wild card team and lose in the first round next season.
I think you did a nice job here, keeping it reality based. Several of my notes and end result are similar. The following reflects my ideal and realistic offseason:

After it looked as though he may be a keeper, Copp does in fact sign elsewhere. (Seattle is a good call).

Tampa MVP Ryan Strome has already been long dead to me. The only Ranger that I have disliked more in my 30+ years is Jimmy Vesey.

Kakko returns. The Gallant relationship is patched, at least publicly - and at least for now. TBD on whether it works.

Lafreniere and Miller play out, it’s not in their interest or for the organization to commit to 6 years. The structure and flexibility isn’t there.

Kravtsov is on the opening night roster. Shades of Alexei Kovalev continue, sans-Binghamton weekend drives.

Vatrano does resign below market value, mutually beneficial third line spot with speed and scoring upside. Great fit for all.

Pleased that Motte resigns as well, 3 years.

Blais QO. Goes without saying.

Georgiev is dealt to Edmonton for a 3rd.

Drury strikes another MA/BC-BU connection with Cory Schneider to caddy Shesterkin. Makes a lot of sense.

Paul Stastny is the gift under our summer tree. 1 or 2 years below market value. Ideal fit.

Nemeth is dealt with a 4th to clear space.

Marc Staal signs a 1 year deal as the 7th.

I too would like to see Brodzinski in there, I like him more than Hunt and believe he has something to offer (Frustrated we didn’t see him v TB).

Jones makes a leap in training camp and steals a spot, Trouba is the partner

The Othmann lineup insertions are silly. Way premature. This is not a video game.

Lafreniere - Mika - Kreider
Panarin - Chytil - Kravtsov
Kakko - Stastny - Vatrano
Blais - Goodrow - Motte
ex: Brodzinski, Reaves

Lindgren - Fox
Miller - B Schneider
Trouba - Jones
ex: Marc Staal

Igor
Cory Schneider

We knock off Caps and Canes, returning to the final 4 for ECF Game 1 in Toronto, June 2023.
 
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Gallant is going to need to trust the young guys with more time and more responsibility. With Strome's departure, the bumper spot on the PP is wide open. A lefty is ideal. Lafreniere is perfect for that spot. I do wonder if they go back to Mika in the bumper spot for different looks.

Kakko on the PK should be done. I think he stays, this last game gets cleared up. He is a very smart player. Challenge him there. I think it will unlock some offense too.

Chytil needs a bigger role. He ran the ringer in terms of linemates this season. He should get first crack with Panarin. His playoff play earned him that shot.

Miller on PP2 to begin the season. Trouba got worn down in his role. Let Miller take that, or Jones at some point, and let Trouba rest in those spots.

Schneider needs to be used on the PK. Fox also was worn out. Having Schneider to take that time will be important. Fox can PK, just take some of it away.

A top 9 role for Kravtsov, who I also think stays, is needed. Have to find out what you got. Don't let some other team be that. He elevates in the playoffs too. Could be a 3rd line regular season for him, but a 2nd line production in the playoffs.

These are just small adjustments for younger players to grow into. It's bigger than any free agent or trade they can make. All these things are possible too. It can also lead to having some extra space come the deadline. We just saw what that can do.

Re-sign Motte and Braun

Kreider-Zibanejad-Lafreniere
Panarin-Chytil-Kakko
XXXX-XXXX-Kravtsov
Blais-Goodrow-Motte
Ex:Hunt/Reaves

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Jones-Schneider
Braun

Igor
~1M backup

3LW could be internal. Othmann 9 game sample. If it doesn't work, wouldn't shock me if Trivigno gets a look. Think his signing was very underrated. Let's him get pro reps for ~1 month and a call up if excelling. 3C is external. Trade or signing.
 
Kreider Zib Laf
Panarin Chytil Copp
Motte Stastny Kravstov/Kakko
Cuylle Goodrow Reaves

Lindgren Fox
Miller Trouba
Jones Schneider
 
Throwing it out there, but if the decision is made to not resign Copp (which would almost certainly be because of his salary demands being too high), how about Jarnkrok as the middle-6 C with Chytil?

Kreider - Zibby - Laffy
Panarin - Chytil - Kakko
Blais - Jarnkrok - Krav
Motte - Goodrow - Reaves/Hunt
 
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I think you did a nice job here, keeping it reality based. Several of my notes and end result are similar. The following reflects my ideal and realistic offseason:

After it looked as though he may be a keeper, Copp does in fact sign elsewhere. (Seattle is a good call).

Tampa MVP Ryan Strome has already been long dead to me. The only Ranger that I have disliked more in my 30+ years is Jimmy Vesey.

Kakko returns. The Gallant relationship is patched, at least publicly - and at least for now. TBD on whether it works.

Lafreniere and Miller play out, it’s not in their interest or for the organization to commit to 6 years. The structure and flexibility isn’t there.

Kravtsov is on the opening night roster. Shades of Alexei Kovalev continue, sans-Binghamton weekend drives.

Vatrano does resign below market value, mutually beneficial third line spot with speed and scoring upside. Great fit for all.

Pleased that Motte resigns as well, 3 years.

Blais QO. Goes without saying.

Georgiev is dealt to Edmonton for a 3rd.

Drury strikes another MA/BC-BU connection with Cory Schneider to caddy Shesterkin. Makes a lot of sense.

Paul Stastny is the gift under our summer tree. 1 or 2 years below market value. Ideal fit.

Nemeth is dealt with a 4th to clear space.

Marc Staal signs a 1 year deal as the 7th.

I too would like to see Brodzinski in there, I like him more than Hunt and believe he has something to offer (Frustrated we didn’t see him v TB).

Jones makes a leap in training camp and steals a spot, Trouba is the partner

The Othmann lineup insertions are silly. Way premature. This is not a video game.

Lafreniere - Mika - Kreider
Panarin - Chytil - Kravtsov
Kakko - Stastny - Vatrano
Blais - Goodrow - Motte
ex: Brodzinski, Reaves

Lindgren - Fox
Miller - B Schneider
Trouba - Jones
ex: Marc Staal

Igor
Cory Schneider

We knock off Caps and Canes, returning to the final 4 for ECF Game 1 in Toronto, June 2023.

Where did your see the Gallant-Kakko relationship is patched publicly?
 
The whole season Kakko has been praising the new coaching group led by Gallant.
He started in a great role playing top six minutes and no doubt he is going to be in that spot going forward.
Would have already been if it wasn’t for the injuries.

It’s gonna be Panarin-Chytil-Kakko. Copp can sign somewhere else.
 
I think they need to explore options of trading Panarin. Let Strome, Copp, Motte walk. Vatrano has great shot and he seems to be clutch so sign him for reasonable price. Trade Hunt and Nemeth. Go after Bergeron or try to trade for Reilly. Rest can be managed.
 
I think they need to explore options of trading Panarin. Let Strome, Copp, Motte walk. Vatrano has great shot and he seems to be clutch so sign him for reasonable price. Trade Hunt and Nemeth. Go after Bergeron or try to trade for Reilly. Rest can be managed.
Yikes
 
I think they need to explore options of trading Panarin. Let Strome, Copp, Motte walk. Vatrano has great shot and he seems to be clutch so sign him for reasonable price. Trade Hunt and Nemeth. Go after Bergeron or try to trade for Reilly. Rest can be managed.

For the 84th time, Panarin has a NMC and there is zero chance he leaves New York.

The whole season Kakko has been praising the new coaching group led by Gallant.
He started in a great role playing top six minutes and no doubt he is going to be in that spot going forward.
Would have already been if it wasn’t for the injuries.

It’s gonna be Panarin-Chytil-Kakko. Copp can sign somewhere else.

Kakko is going to demand a trade or get offer sheeted. People thinking this goes smoothly are off the mark.
 
I'm all for being patient but I am also for making this team better. Someone else mentioned it here, but you can't prospect hug if you want to win. Othmann, Cuylle, and Berard should all be safe and are going to hopefully be staples for this coming run. Deal from a position of strength. A trade for a center with a defenseman going the other way needs to happen to hedge against Chytil's durability.
It's not about prospect hugging. The Rangers have some big tickets on their books. These players have no movement clauses. The Rangers have an issue with salary cap for the next two seasons or at least until The NHL players pay off their debe to the league. The Rangers still need their young players to grow. There is only so much Drury can do with a lack of cap space. Other teams have the same issues with the cap. Are all of these players ending up on Arizona and Buffalo?

Which defenseman are you trading for a center to hedge against Chytil being injured?

For the 84th time, Panarin has a NMC and there is zero chance he leaves New York.



Kakko is going to demand a trade or get offer sheeted. People thinking this goes smoothly are off the mark.
Is Kakko playing in Finland next season? The Rangers don't have to honor a trade request and which team is giving Kakko an offer sheet after his first three NHL seasons?
 
It's not about prospect hugging. The Rangers have some big tickets on their books. These players have no movement clauses. The Rangers have an issue with salary cap for the next two seasons or at least until The NHL players pay off their debe to the league. The Rangers still need their young players to grow. There is only so much Drury can do with a lack of cap space. Other teams have the same issues with the cap. Are all of these players ending up on Arizona and Buffalo?

Which defenseman are you trading for a center to hedge against Chytil being injured?


Is Kakko playing in Finland next season? The Rangers don't have to honor a trade request and which team is giving Kakko an offer sheet after his first three NHL seasons?

Yes, I legitimately think there is a better chance he plays in Finland than for us. It’s a better long-term financial decision for him to leave our organization.

I do think an offer sheet we can’t comfortably match is far more likely. This team is in deep cap trouble with a simple 4m x 2 year offer for 2nd round compensation. We’ll match it and then be forced to trade him anyways to make for upcoming Laf and Miller contracts.

If Drury doesn’t get him signed before free agency is open, he should trade him.
 
For the 84th time, Panarin has a NMC and there is zero chance he leaves New York.



Kakko is going to demand a trade or get offer sheeted. People thinking this goes smoothly are off the mark.
Nah that is just the fanbase overreacting. The managment promised him bigger role for this season. The injueries took a toll on the process but it’s coming. Have to be patient.
 
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This is purely a question, theres been zero speculation on this whatsoever. After that 3 way trade with Ellis, Glass and Patrick, how did Cody Glass fit in with Nashville?

Even if he didn't do great, former high 1st round pick...young centreman, cost controlled. Nils Lundkvist for him?

Don't know much about the player so someone may have more insight into if this would be throwing Nils away or not. Purely know he was a high first rounder who did show brief potential there in his first run with VGK as their 3rd line centre
 
I think Kakko stays, but they’re going to have to do some work to repair that relationship.

Gallant is going to have to learn to trust the kids the more. Cap space is limited and unless you want a bunch of scrubs playing important minutes he’s going to need Kakko, Chytil, Laf, and Kravstov to play more minutes. If he doesn’t want to coach kids then he can go get a job elsewhere, he knew what he signed up for when he took the job. That being said, they have to continue to improve. You can’t argue that we need more out of them.

I wonder what Drury will do to improve the Center position. I think our struggles at 5v5 stem primarily from that. That’s an extremely important position. Scheifele could be available, and he’s on a good deal. Adding more to get the Jets to retain could be even better. I’m only worried because he seems like a jerk, and I’m not sure you want to disrupt the synergy in the lockerroom.

If they want someone thus will develop with the kids and Dach is available that could be someone to look into. Maybe a swap for Kakko isn’t a bad idea, giving both a chance at a fresh start.
 
I think they need to explore options of trading Panarin. Let Strome, Copp, Motte walk. Vatrano has great shot and he seems to be clutch so sign him for reasonable price. Trade Hunt and Nemeth. Go after Bergeron or try to trade for Reilly. Rest can be managed.
Panarin was bad bad aside from the clutch PIT OT winner but he HAD to have been injured.

I agree our top guys are too perimeter, but Panarin showed when he was with CBJ and they swept Tampa that he is and can be a playoff performer. Had to have been seriously injured & somewhat afraid of aggravating injury through contact...only explanation as to why he was so bad.

But no, we can't and absolutely won't trade him. Would be stupid to do so. He doesn't want to, I guarantee the Rangers don't want to, and we shouldn't want them to either
 
The Lightning outplayed us and deserved the series but if the Rangers have an NHL player in the game instead of Kevin Rooney they *probably* win game 5.

I am so tired of posting things like that. I am so tired of this team loving bad players. It's a Rangers tradition right up there with the goal song and Potvin Sucks.

Hell, they tried to do it to themselves in '94 trading half their top six for plugs. One of those plugs scored the most iconic goal in team history in game 7 but they shouldn't have been playing game 7.

Brian Leetch being Jesus Christ for 23 games is the only reason our pyre to the Plug God isn't 82 years high.
 

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